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    Test E Cycle - do I need an AI?


    Im working on planning my first injectible cycle to be ran in a couple months.

    Test E 1-12 600mg

    Nolva and Lean Xtreme for PCT.

    I'm wondering if I need to use an AI on cycle to control bloat?

    Some say you do, some say you dont. What do you think?

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    I say have it on hand in case you do and use it only as necessary.
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    I have Nolva and Clomid on hand in case gyno or some estrogen related side occurs.

    Is that sufficient?
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    I for one have that mantality of always wanting to stay somewhat lean. On my cycle though Im going to try my best to throw that away and get as big as possible. Bloat doesnt bother me, yet. It goes away later so thats not a problem. I have planned on taking AI on cycle but only for preventing gyno. Should I go with a low dose SERM on cycle or just run a very low dose AI throughout???

    BP when you say use only if neccessary do you mean just take when bloating is too much? Im sure thats what you mean but, would you have to taper up and down to avoid estrogen rebound or just take when bloat is too much then stop when it subsides?

    SOrry for asking my questions matt but i think it will help your thread and you too.
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    Some say you do, some say you don't. Some say an AI and some say an anti-e (Nolva). Some say wait for symptoms some say run it all along. All are valid.

    I have banged my head against a wall on the contradictory opinions on the matter. Sometimes you have to find out what works for you for yourself. At the end of the day we can only learn from self experimentation. You can research your ass of and still, in the end, need to learn by our own trial and error.

    For me, as an endo, aromatising hormones make me fat. I will knock down estrogen from all fronts.

    Good luck
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    I have decided on running throughout at low dose for prevention and body comp. Guess youre right B, you have to just try. I have read reviews on certain protiens powders etc and when i taste them its sh1t but somehow others rave about it so its like that acronym TEHO.. (?) Since I already have Arimidex im going to run that .25-.50mg ED.
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    Excellent!

    I may just run Test by itself and see how that does me. I really dont want to have to place another order on my research site.
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    Also, would ATD be sufficient in case I get too much bloat?

    I kinda like the idea of seeing how test, by itself effects me with no other added variables.

    That would help in future cycles for isolating sides/results.
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    an ATD or OTC AI will work too. There just isnt as much experiences of people running it for weeks on weeks at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump
    an ATD or OTC AI will work too. There just isnt as much experiences of people running it for weeks on weeks at a time.
    I think what I will do is just run the test and see how that does. If the bloat or estro effects are too much, I will implement ATD and order adex immediately.

    I think I'll be alright.
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    correction *hope* lol.

    I was going to try proviron as my anti e because of its added benefiets but have been advised not to on my cycle.

    Are you still planning? Are you just running a Test only cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump
    correction *hope* lol.

    I was going to try proviron as my anti e because of its added benefiets but have been advised not to on my cycle.

    Are you still planning? Are you just running a Test only cycle?
    I'm still planning. I will probably run the cycle in december.

    Yes, test only.
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    It is good to run test by itself your first time to see how your body reacts.

    My first test cycle I kept A-dex on hand but did not use it untill one day 7 weeks into the cycle my feet got puffy (yes it is a rare but a normal possible reaction). I used A-dex for three days and the puffiness was gone.

    The point is you can add an AI at anytime and you will quickly get a handle on bloat. There is no need to run it from the start unluess you want to. Just my 2 cents.
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    Just my opinion. I'd like to know exactly how much arimidex to use because I was using .5mg a day and it did nothing for the bloat. I still recommend using it though. I never understood why you would wait for symptoms and then use it. I also believe that the less bloat you have, the lower you can keep your blood pressure (if it is a problem). It is a cheap preventative measure. One more input. I've used Provirons before and I love them. They definitely did help control bloat and really do a number on the libido (all that at only 25mg a day). But, I've never understood how they help act as an anti-E when they increase free testosterone levels (which should increase the possibilty of aromatization).
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    Personally, Id think that an AI could inhibit some of the gains. Thats one good reason to only use it as needed.
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    Another myth and or opinion that seems to take merit without substantial evidence to back it up.
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    if anything aromasin 12.5 eod IF needed at all ... keep a clean diet and low in sodium and you won't need it
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    yeah aromasin is ideal in my book out of the AI's but you gotta pay extra for that. Next time Ill use that or proviron.
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    Everybody's different. Me, I need .5-1mg Adex/day on cycle or I start growing tits. I second the vote for Aromasin as well, I prefer it to Letro, as it's permanent (no rebound) and is said to be less harsh on lipids. I also like to go with a higher dose than you often see recommended for the first two weeks, like 25-50mg ED.

    Others will go with no AI at or below 500mg/week, but I could never get away with that.
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    aromasin doesn't negatively affect lipid values at all .. letro does
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    Thanks for the info, Glen. Aromasin seems a bit harder to find and I've read that Arimidex is the 2nd best, under aromasin so I may order some.
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    Poviron is my pick for most things as it does a good job of keeping things in check. But really nobody NEEDS an AI, you can do everything you need with diet but that takes quit a bit of effort. As far as gains are concerned, ANYHING that reduces your estrogen levels will to some degree reduce your gains as estrogen itself will help you grow (that is why they include it in cattle pellets to start with). I don't know that it is correct to say that the effect is greater with one AI more so then another.
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    Alot of people run one cap of Rebound Reloaded at night to keep the bloat down. Thats the only really legitimate reason I can see keeping one around.

    If your gyno gets out of control, rebound probably wont do anything anyway. You would need letrozole to smash it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboGiblets
    Alot of people run one cap of Rebound Reloaded at night to keep the bloat down. Thats the only really legitimate reason I can see keeping one around.

    If your gyno gets out of control, rebound probably wont do anything anyway. You would need letrozole to smash it.
    I have Nolva on hand in for PCT and in case I get gyno. I have plenty in case I need to use it on cycle. I doubt that I will as I dont seem to be very succeptible to it. Plus, this is test only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboGiblets
    Alot of people run one cap of Rebound Reloaded at night to keep the bloat down. Thats the only really legitimate reason I can see keeping one around.

    If your gyno gets out of control, rebound probably wont do anything anyway. You would need letrozole to smash it.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stick...revention.html
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    Skye,
    I just read your gyno prevention thread...very nice.

    Do you think I should worry about it on a test only cycle?

    I really want to see how pure test does without any AI's or estrogen blockers so that I know whats doing what in future cycles.

    Do I need to run 10mg Nolva throughout? I assume the chance for gyno on a low dose test only cycle is relatively low.
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    well I posted that link for the letro info (too many sides really) but at 600mg of test only I would only add it if you need it. It wouldn't hurt anything ether though. there is always a risk vs benifets ratio to weigh.

    I wish I could post a thread for SM for you guys to see but I can't find CG now and I don't send anyone to SM sense Bouncer became Lion's ***** but it should what you could do with nothing but test and a tight diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattHines
    I have Nolva on hand in for post cycle therapy and in case I get gyno. I have plenty in case I need to use it on cycle. I doubt that I will as I dont seem to be very succeptible to it. Plus, this is test only.
    Well, speaking from experience here:

    I was on a test-only cycle and got a lump under my nipple. Nolva did nothing for me, except make it less tender. Letrozole got rid of it within 5 days.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboGiblets
    Well, speaking from experience here:

    I was on a test-only cycle and got a lump under my nipple. Nolva did nothing for me, except make it less tender. Letrozole got rid of it within 5 days.

    Just my 2 cents.
    hmmmmm...guess the only real way to know is throught experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump
    hmmmmm...guess the only real way to know is throught experience.
    Thats what I'm thinking. Theres so many contradicting opinions and different beliefs that people hold when it comes to AAS usage. This is the original reason that I strayed away from injectibles and did a designer oral cycle. There is so much confusion for someone who is researching to run a cycle with the highest efficacy/safety.

    Do I need an AI?
    Which is best?
    Whats the best way to prevent gyno?
    Should I run the AI throughout the cycle?
    Should I use HCG?
    etc. etc.

    Im gonna do some more thinking/researching but I still think I'm just gonna run this cycle on its own--with adex and Nolva on hand. I think once I know how pure test effects me then it wont be so damn overwhelming.
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