oh yeah, im def. going to run milk thistle while on.
I dunno. Why not just get some test prop and run one or the other of the orals along with it? Test should always be the base to any cycle. I just don't like the idea of running two methylated orals together for long term reasons. However, whatever works for you.
I agree with running test with the anavar and dropping the winny altogether. Both of these (winny and anavar) will be quite harsh on your liver. You could always sub some primo for the winny. I think that would definitely be a great alternative. The gains are very similar and there are way fewer side effects. I understand they were both gifts but I think they could be used in a better way.
Or you could go a totally different route and run Methoxy-PB&J with some transdermal Neosporin. This is a great combo for cutting.
I highly recomend cycle support by AIOriginally Posted by mss05
Anavr is not harsh on your liver. Longterm studies with children back this up.
a55kisser but I concur.Originally Posted by Skye
EDIT: Deep breathOriginally Posted by mss05
BOTH of those compounds will shut you down .... this cycle is both a terrible idea and a waste of time in my opinion
terrible idea because you're joints will hate you and they are liver toxic .. i hate orals
waste of time because you say winny gives you keepable gains ... i've got news for you NOTHING gives you keepable gains .. you lose everything you wouldn't have gained naturally after you've been off for long enough .. its a fact ... of course at your height, weight, and bf% you are no where near your natural genetic potential .. (no idea why you are using gear given that fact) ... but to the point its a waste of time because these aren't good drugs .. they will give you minimal gains .. test, deca, eq, tren these are GOOD drugs
finally short cycles are even harder to keep the gains from (i know people will argue) your body has no time to acclimate itself to newly gained weight and establish some homeostasis
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Maybe I just love needles, but why not go with good old Test & Tren ? Might also want to look into Toremifene instead of Clomid
wow, did I ever leave myself open to that one LOLOriginally Posted by Ubiquitous
I don't think that applies at the dosages we use it at. It may only be mildly liver toxic but it is liver toxic none the less. even proviron is some what liver toxic.Originally Posted by jarhead
I believe I've read a few studies where it's been used in adults and is mildly toxic. Of course, like you're saying, these were HIV patients that were only using 20mg per day. They go onto say that at other tested dosages, i.e. 40 and 80mg it becomes much more so - two and three times respectively.Originally Posted by Skye
im gonna have to disagree with the haters on my cycle, not only have i read about how great this cycle is, but i have seen friends who do great and keep great gains. not huge like from test. but good lean gains. Thanks anyways, but im still going through with it.
Dude, you're going to do what you want. However, you're getting sound advice from the peeps here. There are far better cycles than what you are proposing to do. It's your long term health that you will have to deal with in the future. Best of luck anyway.
Who was it that said "ignorance is bliss"?
I should have clarified what I meant. Of course all methyls tax the liver, but I was commenting on the post saying that it was "quite" harsh. In relation to other compounds we use(dbol, adrol,etc.), I don't consider Var quite harsh.Originally Posted by Skye
There are studies where it has been prescrbed to people with liver disease, not just hiv. My point was that it is not "quite" harsh. It can be mildly harsh yes, but it less so than other compounds we use.Originally Posted by Shock133
"Oxandrolone has been extensively studied in children with growth disorders and adult men with alcoholic hepatitis, an inflammation of the liver that is often accompanied by wasting. It has been shown very safe and effective for treating alcoholic hepatitis related wasting and it is believed that the metabolic problems associated with this condition are similar to those found in HIV-wasting."
another excerpt note the first sentence:
Oxandrolone, a synthetic analog of testosterone with minimal virilizing activity and liver toxicity, attenuates muscle wasting after severe trauma, malnutrition, or acquired immunodeficiency virus.9,10 In severely burned children treated during acute hospitalization, oxandrolone significantly improved net protein synthesis, lean body mass, bone mineral content, synthesis of the hepatic constitutive proteins such as albumin and prealbumin, and attenuated the acute phase reactive protein levels.11–13 The aim of this study was to determine whether oxandrolone, administered for 1 year after injury to severely burned children, would attenuate catabolism and growth arrest and whether these positive attributes would persist after the drug is discontinued.
Originally Posted by jarhead
Right, I've seen the ones about prescribing it to people with alcohol induced Hepatitis. You're right, it is just mildly harsh. I think everyone here agrees it's just not smart to take those two orals together for any amount of time. Long term health is an issue people don't consider near enough. But, everyone can do what they wish.
Yeah, two methyls at once is more taxing on the liver, and usually it's just overkill taking two orals anyway imo.Originally Posted by Shock133
exactly, and winny is harsh and your add to that.Originally Posted by jarhead
but he is going to do it and really I can't say too much here, some of the designer steroids cycles I have seen here are much, much worse,
Well I am going to wish you luck but let me leave you with this, your getting a lot of sides for small gains. to put it in other terms this cycle is like paying a couple of hundred bucks for a gram of test, yes it will work and yes you will look good (winny is good for that if nothing else) but it will cost you far more then you need in terms of health. And not to be hating but that comment about them not being suppressive shows that you should do some more research. Good luck thoughOriginally Posted by mss05
We hear ya. You posted, we responded. Maybe when you ask us questions you should realize we care about you more than you?Originally Posted by mss05
Friends don't let friends do ALL oral ALL Methyl cycles.
You'll have some gains, you'll look really good for a while...
When you are ready to grow, come back.