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    Basic Clen Info


    There seems to be a lot of questions regarding clen especially now that its available in liquid form quite readily. I found this post over at elite and thought it summed up some pretty good beginning info on clen and gave some good tips for cycles. Feel free to add your thoughts, experiences, or opinions...

    WRITTEN BY BIGANDY69:

    This is the updated version found on www.anabolicextreme.com Back issue 70

    What is Clenbuterol?

    Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
    for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
    FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
    like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
    like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
    hours and not 48 hours.

    Dosing and Cycling

    Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
    and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
    very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
    in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
    most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
    body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
    fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
    consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
    for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

    Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

    Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
    raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
    about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

    DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
    because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
    benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
    half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

    As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
    would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
    Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
    may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
    time.

    Side effects

    NAUSEA
    NERVOUSNESS
    DIZZINESS
    DROWSINESS
    DRY MOUTH
    FACIAL FLUSHING
    HEADACHE
    HEARTBURN
    INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
    INCREASED SWEATING
    INSOMNIA
    LIGHTHEADEDNESS
    MUSCLE CRAMPS
    TREMORS
    VOMITING
    CHEST PAIN

    The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
    increased blood pressure.

    Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
    bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
    day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
    minimizing cramps.

    Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
    signs of a headache.

    Common Uses

    Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
    user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
    body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
    intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

    Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
    vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
    fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
    bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
    per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

    Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
    used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
    hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

    Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
    stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
    take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
    included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

    Precautions: Is Clen for you?

    The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
    some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
    with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
    are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
    before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

    A word on Ketotifen

    Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
    treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
    regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
    at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
    extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
    adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
    extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
    dieting.

    Cycling Clenbuterol

    Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
    high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
    the first 3-4 days of use.

    A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
    until the side effects are not tolerable

    Example of a first cycle:

    Day1: 20mcg
    Day2: 40mcg
    Day3: 60mcg
    Day4: 80mcg
    Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
    Day6-Day12: 100mcg
    Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
    normal gradually)
    Day14: 60 mcgs
    Day15: off
    Day16: off
    Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

    Example of a second cycle:

    Day1: 60mcg
    Day2: 80mcg
    Day3: 80mcg
    Day4: 100mcg
    Day5: 100mcg
    Day6-Day12: 120mcg
    Day13: 100 mcg
    Day14: 80 mcgs
    Day15: off
    Day16: off
    Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

    What else do I need to know?

    Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
    levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
    Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
    cramps. It's a must with Clen.

    Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
    your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
    advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

    Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.

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    Sorry meant to post this in the steroid section, not the advanced discussion. Could a mod move it over there please. Thanks...
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    Yes, awesome article. Very informative...
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    Do you take the Clen in one big dose in lets say the morning or do you spread it out. how does cycling back and forth btw 2 weeks clen and 2 weeks xenadrine and Yohimbine sound? i am also in my second week of T1-PRO. I was thinking of starting the clen the day i stop the T1-PRO.
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    Just be aware that You MUST take Taurine (according to animal it will get rid of the need for ketotifin (which is quite expensive))) It also kills cramps quite well.
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    MUST is a strong word. My wife is NOT using Taurine and is doing fine. There is certainly a place for potassuim supplementation as well. I'm not say Taurine can not serve a role but you only cycle 2 weeks on the off to upregulate your receptors.
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    i plan on doing the 3-5 Grams of taurine daily split up over the day. i will also be doing 400mg right before bed.
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    i take my clen all at once in the morning--bad shakes at first but you get used to it
    As far as taurine i found it killed my cramps better than the potassium alone.
    took potassium at night and split taurine between the morning and before bed
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    Originally posted by windwords7
    MUST is a strong word. My wife is NOT using Taurine and is doing fine. There is certainly a place for potassuim supplementation as well. I'm not say Taurine can not serve a role but you only cycle 2 weeks on the off to upregulate your receptors.
    Taurine can eliminate the need to cycle 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, thats why I said must
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    Originally posted by Kerruptt


    Taurine can eliminate the need to cycle 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, thats why I said must
    Right, we are choosing to do the 2 week on, 2 weeks off way for now. Perhaps the more expierienced user would push on. For our first time around with Clen we felt this way was best.
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    Just wanted to point out there are manufactures of 4mcg tabs, for example Hubei labs.

    There is a brand called Oxflux which is made in Mexico, there products suck from what numerous people have told me so watch out for them!

    Very nice thread!
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    which is it? can you\should you take yohimbine with the clen or not - i have seen posts all over the various forums stating both?
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    it was on bb.com under big cats profile of clen i saw he said to take the 2 together. nay thoughts?
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    If yohimbine has anything like efeidra or caffinee i'd stay farr away from it. your heart will blow up.
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    Originally posted by fizler
    If yohimbine has anything like efeidra or caffinee i'd stay farr away from it. your heart will blow up.
    This doesn't seem to be based on anything but guessing.
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    what are the additional benefits of stacking T3 w/ clen for a 2 wk cutting stack? Should the Taurine still be taken? If my goal is fat loss, as well as remaining rock hard, should I just stick w/the clen, or is it worth it to add the T3?

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    Originally posted by JWest0926
    what are the additional benefits of stacking T3 w/ clen for a 2 wk cutting stack? Should the Taurine still be taken? If my goal is fat loss, as well as remaining rock hard, should I just stick w/the clen, or is it worth it to add the T3?

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    Clen/T3 combo is a POTENT mixture, the fat will melt right off, as well as good amounts of muscle if not run alongside androgens. It's not a good idea to run T3 w/out androgens period.

    How you cycle on and off T3 is VERY important as well so as to stabilize your natural production of T3 and limit "rebound."

    FYI you'd still want to take the taurine and T3 will deplete glycogen stores, giving your muscles a 'soft' look.

    In your case, you're doing a shoot w/in 2-3 weeks, I wouldn't run the T3 (seeing as you don't have that much fat to burn anyways) as the T3 would be overkill and just give you the soft look.
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    thx chosen. not gonna run the T3. gonna run the clen, taurine, a bit of ph's and some yohimbine if i can find it cheap.

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