**MAXIMIZE Your STEROIDS: ULTIMATE Anabolic SECRETS!**
- 07-16-2006, 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by The Master
I hate to break this to you but test suspension is not all that rapid, the depot is slower to be absorbed then some of the lower esters. The reason being that body must dissolve the test crystals, this is not an easy task given the low water solubility of the test. Test base in oil is much faster but still about 18 to 36 hours depending on what you make it with.
At any rate I am out of time and (for the moment) inclination. I will give you this though, your are a hell of a thread starter.
- 07-16-2006, 04:13 PM
- 07-16-2006, 04:24 PM
Guys - if you are considering changing your post cycle therapy or cycle after reading Ross' posts, please take everything with a huge f*cking block of salt. (Forget grain, or even tablespoon for that matter...)
07-16-2006, 04:34 PM
07-16-2006, 05:03 PM
LOL--Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
I said that 100-300mgs WEEKLY TEST will not AFFECT BLOOD LIPIDS.
Learn to read.
You guys being somewhat RIDICULOUS.
07-16-2006, 05:07 PM
i understand what you are saying, the body is VERY complex and yet simple at the same time. It WILL find a way to get back to normal (so long as you arent taking an ABUNTANT amount of hormones) but the responsible BBer wouldnt do that would they??...........
07-16-2006, 05:11 PM
i am, with jmh80 i am not going to belief anyone who just pops out of nowhere and starts changing the way post cycle therapy should be done , I mean the guy himself has gyno which shows something went wrong. Just my $.02Originally Posted by jmh80
07-16-2006, 05:13 PM
Nolva and CLOMID are CHEAP!
AND highly available!
IF THIS WERE THE CASE FOR HCG/AROMASIN, EVERYONE WOULD BE DOING IT!
CLOMD + NOLVA = CHEAP!
07-16-2006, 05:32 PM
Dianavar, or "D-VAR" is GREAT! (Especially for briddging with a non PITUITARY-inhibiting STACK)Originally Posted by mercedesdd
Don't forget about Turinavar!
07-16-2006, 05:32 PM
07-16-2006, 05:33 PM
07-16-2006, 05:37 PM
I DID have puffy nips in that pic, as I was on PROP but wasn't using an AI because I was on MASTERON and Winstrol as well.
As soon as I took some Aromasin, nips returned to normal.
MORE PICS COMING! LOL
07-16-2006, 05:39 PM
07-16-2006, 05:43 PM
Bajan Bastard( big K) is in the house but he never agrees with ya Ross lol.. Look what just happened on iron for life ...........Originally Posted by The Master
07-16-2006, 05:55 PM
07-16-2006, 06:01 PM
Also using Hookers post cycle therapy protocol nolva must be used.. Nolva will stop the suppressive nature of HCG..... Nolva blocks the conversion of 17 alpha hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone. Nolva will stop this blocking action .. If anyone thinks different look up desensitize and leydig on pubmed and you will see that desensitization is not caused by PKC and therefore is likley to be caused by HCG's effects on 17 OHP . And those desensitizing effects are totaly blocked by using NOLVA with HCG....... So many people say HCG is suppressive which it is but its suppressive nature is almost completely stopped by using nolva with it... Here is a study to back it up....
Effect of an antiestrogen on the testicular response to acute and chronic administration of hCG in normal and hypogonadotropic hypogonadic men: tamoxifen and testicular response to hCG.
Levalle OA, Suescun MO, Fiszlejder L, Aszpis S, Charreau E, Guitelman A, Calandra R.
Division Endocrinologia, Hospital Carlos Durand, Instituto de Biologia y Medicina Experimental, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
The effect of the antiestrogen tamoxifen (Tx) on the acute and chronic hCG administration was evaluated in patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (HH) and in normal men. An hCG test (5000 IU hCG) was performed before, after two months of hCG administration (2000 IU hCG three times weekly) and after two months of hCG + Tx (2000 IU hCG three times weekly plus 20 mg/day of tamoxifen). Blood samples were obtained before and following 24 and 72 h of every test to determine T, E, 17OHP and SHBG. T increased only in HH with both treatments (X +/- SEM: Basal: 97.9 +/- 19.7; hCG: 237.7 +/- 43.2; hCG +/- Tx: 204.7 +/- 10.7 ng/100 ml). 17OHP rose with hCG alone, but not with hCG + Tx in both groups. E, SHBG and 17OHP/T ratio did not change after treatments. hCG tests: E increased 24 h following hCG administration in every test. The ratio 17OHP/T rose at 24 h in the first and second test but in the third test it did not change. These results support the role of E in the acute hCG-induced Leydig cell desensitization. However, the association of Tx does not improve T serum levels, suggesting that E might not be the unique factor involved in the mechanisms for testicular desensitization
Also Hooker suggest 500ius of HCG per day not 1000ius.....
07-16-2006, 06:18 PM
OK--It is TIME...
In order to FULLY understand THIS thread, i must post my OTHER article...NEW thread opening...
07-16-2006, 06:37 PM
Long thread, i haven't read it all but i will say this, Primobolan is NOT the only steroid that will cause growth in a calorie deficent, Trenbolone will too! Also In higher doses Primbolan will cause hairloss, so it's NOT side effect free.
07-16-2006, 06:45 PM
PRIMO does NOT cause HAIRLOSS--this is a MYTH...Originally Posted by CHAPS
Which originates from the MISCONCEPTION that Primobolan(Methenolone) is derived from DHT(Dihydrotestosterone) when in FACT, it is not NOT, but rather is derived from the 5a-reduced BOLDENONE, DHB(Dihydroboldenone).
Primo will not cause hairloss.
07-16-2006, 06:56 PM
KEEP 100% OF YOUR GAINS!
Do NOT discontinue anabolic steroids ABRUPTLY!
Post-cycle regimens containing Aromatase Inhibitors and SERM's are simply not enough for the SERIOUS bodybuilder to maintain his muscular gains post-cycle. Once a bodybuilders reaches a certain point of muscular development, the continued use of a mild anabolic becomes justified..
See my OTHER thread...
07-16-2006, 07:14 PM
"Conclusion: if the introduction of Nolvadex 25 years ago was a brilliant idea, times have changed. Very effective anti-aromatase drugs (such as Letrozole or Anastrazole) have been introduced. They will fight gynecomastia, help prevent the anti-anabolic actions of estrogens, fight fat and water retention. They will also boost natural testosterone production far more effectively than Nolvadex. So, it is up to you to decide whether you wish impair your rate of progression with an outdated drug or move on to the 21st century.
(1) Max SR. Androgen-estrogen synergy in rat levator ani muscle: glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase. Mol Cell Endocrinol. 1984 Dec;38(2-3):103-7.
(2) Rance NE, Max SR. Modulation of the cytosolic androgen receptor in striated muscle by sex steroids. Endocrinology. 1984 Sep;115(3):862-6.
(3) Kobori M, Yamamuro T. Effects of gonadectomy and estrogen administration on rat skeletal muscle. Clin Orthop Relat Res. 1989 Jun;(243):306-11.
(4) Suzuki S, Yamamuro T. Long-term effects of estrogen on rat skeletal muscle. Exp Neurol. 1985 Feb;87(2):291-9.
(5) Koot RW, Amelink GJ, Blankenstein MA, Bar PR. Tamoxifen and oestrogen both protect the rat muscle against physiological damage. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1991;40(4-6):689-95.
(6) Naessens G, De Slypere JP, Dijs H, Driessens M. Hypogonadism as a cause of recurrent muscle injury in a high level soccer player. A case report. Int J Sports Med. 1995 Aug;16(6):413-7."
07-16-2006, 07:22 PM
Oh Christ Ross. I really don't feel like owning you right now with this 'article'. You didn't even change anything after Nark and I destroyed it.
Back to the drawing board for you.
07-16-2006, 07:24 PM
I can't believe people are repping Ross for this ****. My respect for this board just dropped.
Ross you and I are cool and all but you need to start writing something that connot be picked apart in 10 seconds.
07-16-2006, 07:32 PM
07-16-2006, 07:33 PM
They removed my NEVER-ENDING cycle thread.Originally Posted by Bajanbastard
This was a CLASSIC--food for thought!
07-16-2006, 07:33 PM
FIRST OF ALL, name ONE thing I said that is FASLE!Originally Posted by jmh80
LET's START THERE...
07-16-2006, 07:38 PM
Just like that - the fun is gone, again.
He's like a Chinese fire drill at a redlight...
I still can't believe there were people repping him....
07-16-2006, 07:40 PM
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