do you think testosterone is obligatory in a cycle ?
- 04-18-2006, 01:41 PM
- 04-18-2006, 01:45 PM
04-18-2006, 01:52 PM
There is no alternative to test. You have to decide whether or not the sides are worth what you want to accomplish. If they arent, then AAS isnt for you.
04-18-2006, 02:35 PM
acne and hairloss are common side effects not just of testosterone but all steroids, as all steroids are testosterone derivatives, and whenever you interfere with your endocrine system there is going to be an element of risk, if acne is a major concern stick either a low dose, and avoid highly androgenic compounds, as for hair loss that is caused by conversion to DHT, but even just general fluxes in hormones can lead to hair loss, wanting to totally avoid both of those would really limit your choices and i'd recommend rethinking which is more important, you can't have a 100% acne and hair loss free cycle, no such thing i'm afraid
04-18-2006, 02:43 PM
04-18-2006, 02:53 PM
thanks for your reply...
but maybe with another compound like primobolan or equipoise...
so turquish is not for me but for a friend of mine who don t speak english...
i m a little bit quite,i don t have hair !!!! lol
04-18-2006, 03:43 PM
04-18-2006, 04:33 PM
Some suppression without test?Originally Posted by russy_russ
How about even WITH test you WILL BE suppressed.
I see your reputation proceeds you?
04-18-2006, 05:02 PM
04-18-2006, 06:03 PM
Haha, beat me to it ya bashtage!Originally Posted by JonesersRX7
And I'm with you CDB:
04-18-2006, 06:14 PM
I already had my dose of cowbell for the day..... and I'm quick like that.Originally Posted by bpmartyr
04-18-2006, 07:10 PM
Dihydrotestosterone and nandrolone are naturally occuring steroids as is testosterone. All anabolic/androgenic steroids are preparations containing one of the three natural steroids or derivatives thereof.Originally Posted by Tha Don
04-18-2006, 07:19 PM
well to answer your question no it isn't but it is one of the better options. All steriods have some sides and you will have to do your research and see if the risk are worth the gains to you. But an EQ only cycle is fine for a first cycle dispite what everyone says. Primo if you can aford it can also be used. Thats about it though if your looking for mild, there are some rarer steriods that can be used but they can be hard to find.Originally Posted by blackeyed
04-18-2006, 07:38 PM
6 weeks of anavar. Very few get hair loss or acne from var, chances are you wont get either problem. You will be supressed still, but its not a bad experience and if you eat right it will greatly speed up gains. PCT is also generally a breeze. Few weeks of a SERM and very little crash. 90% of gains will easily be kept. I know some are against all oral, but everyday someone on here starts another thread about stacking halodrol and superdrol or something to that effect.Originally Posted by blackeyed
04-18-2006, 07:53 PM
If you eat right you can grow off just dbol if you want to although you will never hear anybody on a message board recommend such a cycle. I would suggest a low dose test 250-500mgs for 10-12 weeks stacked with deca 400mgs or eq. I seriously doubt such a low dose of test will give you problems. Plus you will probably feel alot better with it in the cycle. Actualy just 500mgs of test by itself would be cheap and effective for a first cycle.
04-18-2006, 08:11 PM
It is my understanding that test causes suppression, as well. Your body has enough test when you take it, so it stops producing it. Where are you getting your information?Originally Posted by russy_russ
04-18-2006, 08:16 PM
all steroids suppress your natty test production. Test will keep mr happy working properly though. Without test he might be sad...
04-18-2006, 09:32 PM
04-18-2006, 09:50 PM
i dont think test is required...it sure makes for a better cycle, though. i actually like to use my ****, stay awake through the workday, and feel good during my cycle, so i always include some form of test.
if you're worried about sides - you have to think about which ones are most crucial, and whether or not you're even susceptible to them...
wait, why am i trying to explain all this?
READ. DO THE RESEARCH. dont expect to be handfed this information - it's all out there for you in stickies and threads.
04-20-2006, 06:49 AM
04-20-2006, 06:54 AM
B5 is great for acne 3x500 mg /ed keeps me sexy and hansome ;-)
and i used Nizoral shampoo to fight hair loss while i'm on
04-20-2006, 07:10 AM
Most of the time the acne is caused by a flux in the hormone levels more so that the amount of test in the blood stream. One of my worst cases of acne was caused by a deca pack that was prescribe by my doctor for relieve from bulging disc..
04-22-2006, 11:17 PM
04-23-2006, 04:09 AM
have to agree on that, that is why I always finsh my cycles on test prop to keep that from happening until I have to.Originally Posted by Matthew D
04-23-2006, 10:23 AM
There´re actually some lucky MFs, that still produce their own test on orals, some even a bit more .. but that´s not the rule, it´s the exception!
For me, it´s a must -and hgh, too, the missing link, to really make it work like it should and diminish some of the Testosterone-sides.;-)
04-23-2006, 11:38 AM
There is a rambling idiot around boards somewhere, he uses some form of the alias "ROSS" anyway he advocated no test cycles... then again he also claims to have invented the turibol and anavar stack and the d-bol bridge.
you can reach him at THEMINDOFROSS@AOL.COM he is always open and free to conversation. But I really must warn you take what he says with a grain of salt.
04-24-2006, 04:52 AM
Isn't sex drive related to the androgenic component of testosterone? Shouldn't a good androgen keep you in working order. Why not take tren instead of test? Personally, I've taken all anabolic no-test cycles and still woke up every morning with wood.
There are plenty of authors who suggest no test cycles for cutting. Including the Anabolics 2005 author and the steroidology.com guy, two name two.
I hear a lot of people on the boards repeating over and over that you must use test in every cycle, but I have yet to see hard evidence.
04-24-2006, 02:54 PM
The only "hard evidence" I know of is that testosterone is crucial to some activies of the body. Test does make cycles easier to cope with though, esspically if you are prone to ED while on. I guess I got lucky, because I am like you, never had a problem with getting my guy to salute. I have also never taken any sort of progestin either. Also, androgenic doesn't necessarily mean sex drive, its more of a "mind muscle connection" idea, as many report no sex drive at all while on tren alone, and you don't get much more androgenic then tren.Originally Posted by !@#$%
04-25-2006, 02:48 AM
It isn't, never has been, and isn't likely to ever be. This is really a case of people taking generally good advice and turning it into gospel. Test is of course very often the best option and for most things the best “base” for a cycle. But it’s hardly necessary or even desirable all the time. People with joint or back problems for instance would do better to stay away from it. Deca, primo, var, and EQ would all be better options. Primo can often be used to replace test in terms of sexual side affects of deca or tren, proviron will work quite well in this regard. People with other health problems might also want to use steroids without the test sides.Originally Posted by !@#$%
Another point here would be people using tren for cutting. Test is not required although it may be a better option for many. Proviron will work if fina **** is a problem, and primo works great if you can afford it to run with the tren. I have known several people to do this and the only one that had a problem with it had the problem before with tren and prop anyway.
04-25-2006, 07:27 PM
um...why would those other compounds be better than test for people with back or joint problems???? EQ, for one, causes achey joints. not like winny, but still achey. i have never heard of anyone avoiding test because they have "back or joint problems"Originally Posted by Skye
i have also never heard of primo having noticeable libido stimulating properties.Originally Posted by Skye
definitely replace your "WILL work" with "MAY work" - wouldnt want anyone to think you are making suggestions into gospel.Originally Posted by Skye
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