Some 1,4 Andro observations

[DreamWeaver]

Well I've been on 1,4 andro for 2 weeks and I have made a couple curious observations 1) No apparent strength gains. 2) I have added a couple lbs not so strange really, but when you consider I'm on about a 600 - 700 calorie deficit it gets a little freaky. Is this normal do you add muscle on such a deficit. 3) I seem to be holding a little water so this could be the reason for the weight increase, I was under the impression that it wouldn't make you hold water though.

There is one other possiblility that may explain everything, I made a bit of a mistake on my Keto. I started using dried onions for flavouring only to later realize that they are about 85% carbs. This might of caused me to remain out of Ketosis and I didn't get in the water depleted state that I get into on Keto so my weight may have appeared to escalate. Anyhow I took the onions out so I'll know for sure in a couple days. So these observations may be premature.

Oh I've been taking 600 mg a day.

[andro69]

Same thing happened to me too. I cut calories and gained 4 pounds on a 3 week cycle of 900mg. of 1,4ad and 560mg. of 4ad a day. I did gain strength though. But the one thing I hate about 1,4ad is it shut me down big time. I've taken 4ad on every cycle so I don't think that is the culprit. I just hope I get back to normal soon. 1,4ad is out of the picture for me. Hello 1-T again.

[DreamWeaver]

Yah I'm pretty certain I put on some mass cuz my waist is down a half inch and my weight is up about 2 to 2.5 lbs. 1, 4 doesn't do anything to my libido though. I'm guessing your strength gain is from the 4ad.

Yah I stort a 6 week cycle of T1 pro in 2 days, this is a real adventure if I keep gaining muscle on a calorie deficit, I'll be a monster on stage.

[Lgoosey]

1,4 andro does aromatize and thus will generate some water retention , although to a lesser extent than say 4-ad would.

[DreamWeaver]

Yes that is the way I sould describe it. Ok guys 1 remain 2 lbs heavier than I was 2 weeks ago and I'm on a 700 calorie deficit. I measured my waist and it's down an inch ! That's about 6-7 lbs of weigh unaccounted for. Some of this has to be muscle. I'm looking pretty good too.

I just started T1 pro 250 a day of 1 test and 125 of 4ad. This is getting interesting folks.

[Lgoosey]

androgens are notoriously good at sparing muscle from catabolism, but 600 mg is also on the low side for a boldione only cycle.

I'm not quite sure how you figure the 6-7 lbs "unaccounted" for if you are up 2 pounds unless your bodyfat has dropped.

How are you spreading out your dosage of 1,4?

[Dio]

Originally posted by Lgoosey
androgens are notoriously good at sparing muscle from catabolism, but 600 mg is also on the low side for a boldione only cycle.

That's not true. I got decent results averaging less than that.

[SummusMentis]

I agree... how do you figure 600 mg to be on the low side?

Anyways, Dreamweaver, have you considered adding 3-alpha to your cycle? I have always heard this is a great PH for cutting... due to its triggering of DHT?

Anyways, good luck

[T-Bar]

Hey D-dub, how's your appetite? Any increase there?

[jweave23]

I would consider 600mg to be an average dose, that's what I've done in the past (stacked with superone+ however). Are you any more vascular than you were before?

[Lgoosey]

I would go wit 900mg a day if used alone... IMO 600 mg with 1-test is a very good stack

[windwords7]

600mg is the min dosage when stacked with other things. 900-1500mg dosages are required, depending on the person response and their personal expiereince, to garner decent benefits as a stand alone.

[Dio]

I'm telling you guys those numbers are high. In the beginning of my boldione cycle, I took 400mg/day and noticed a difference. For someone with several cycles under their belt, 900mg may be a good dose to start with, otherwise I think that 600mg is a good dose for most people.

YMMV

[windwords7]

Originally posted by Dio
I'm telling you guys those numbers are high. In the beginning of my boldione cycle, I took 400mg/day and noticed a difference. For someone with several cycles under their belt, 900mg may be a good dose to start with, otherwise I think that 600mg is a good dose for most people.

YMMV

Absolutely Dio, it's all about exp. and you should always titrade up to the lowest effective dose. If your going to do a 1, 4 only cycle, I could see that some would need higher dosages.

[Champ]

I want to do a 6 week cycle of 1,4 Andro plus Burn Free Cyclo 1 Test, which are by mike at 1 Fast.

Post cycle items would be clomid and tribex.

Would you combine the 1,4 with 1Test or do a bridge?

[Jedi Master]

I also want to do a 4 week cycle of 1,4, because I some how think my body built up a tolerance to 1-test, so I am going to use straight 1,4. 1fast has 60 300mg caps for 72$ I think. That would be a perfect 600mg a day for a 1 month cycle....the price is great.

[DreamWeaver]

Well I have upped my dosage to 900 just to get my appetite back, I am still on a defecit but with the precontest your constantly shoviing vegtables in your mouth so it's hard to do after coming of CKD. I started my T1 pro on Saturday should be fun.

Yah I gained 2lbs but yes an inch off the waist means a also lost 4 to 5 lbs of fat during the 2 weeks. Jeez the scales are completely meaningless when your on this ****. I don't even know what my contest weight is going to be (a lot higher than I figured I guess).

SummusMentis I will be dong 3alpha in a couple weeks.

[Champ]

I'm sure 4AD would a staple item to add when doing 1Test b/c its effective at shutting the nuts down. However if I'm going to run clomid and tribex afterwards would I still need 4AD?