Peg400 vs bacardi 151 for liquid orals

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Need to here from guys who have used both as to what worked better for them. In Australia they both cost the same(alot) so Im deciding which to go with.

Will be making anavar, winny and dbol. Most say that they anavar will crash in the bacardi though those people didnt disolve it with ba so Im wondering if that would make a difference. I could also convert it to dry ie almost 200 proof it that works better.

Then I read people just using straight peg400 and saying it holds everything.

Is there anyone out there who has used both and can comment on pros and cons of each method.

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Also if I went with peg400 could I use bb to help stop anything growing in it if its to be stored a while or is this not necesary.
 
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Bacardi will keep it sterile, unsure about the peg. Personally, I use olive oil for all my orals. Makes a suspension vs a solution but a quick shake before drawing with the oral syringe and your good to go. You could also use flax, fish, or sesamine oils as well to kill more birds. Just the way I do it, take it for what it's worth.
 

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FWIW: I can't get a solution of Nolva powder in PEG400. I don't think PEG should be used alone.

I also go for the oil-based suspension route.
 

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Bacardi will keep it sterile, unsure about the peg. Personally, I use olive oil for all my orals. Makes a suspension vs a solution but a quick shake before drawing with the oral syringe and your good to go. You could also use flax, fish, or sesamine oils as well to kill more birds. Just the way I do it, take it for what it's worth.
Is it poss to use Isoprpyl alcohol to disolve it first or is this no good.

Edit, Ok just read the shits toxic at as little as 4ml so prob no the best to use then:)
 
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No don't disolve it in Isopropyl alcohol if you want to use it as oral solution.
 
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It is not necessary for the powder to dissulve for a suspension, only for a solution. Suspensions work just fine with the exception of really potent compounds that require micro doses like T3 for example or clen. When your dosing 50 to 100mcg a suspension may have varying concentration of the active substance and give you 200mcg or something, that would be bad. The greater the dosing in mg will have the smaller margin of error in suspensions.
 
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aso if you were to put lets say 2.5grams of anavar in 50ml of olive oil would that come out to be 50mg per ml?

2500mg/50ml = 50mg per ml
 
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aso if you were to put lets say 2.5grams of anavar in 50ml of olive oil would that come out to be 50mg per ml?

2500mg/50ml = 50mg per ml
Remember that the var will displace as well adding to volume. Easy estimate is 1g=1ml, which will be good enough. So 2500mg/52.5ml = 47.6mg/ml, or just use 48ml of oil to make it 50mg/ml.
 
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Also if I went with peg400 could I use bb to help stop anything growing in it if its to be stored a while or is this not necesary.
I've heard patrick arnold state that peg decreases oral absorption. I would just use EVOO like everyone else says. I've used an EVOO that was also 5% alcohol (to prevent growth) and it worked well. Anavar is a ***** to get into solution anyway, so I would not bother trying, unless you want a really low concentration.
 
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yeah i guess i'll use the olive oil for some reason i'm just scared that it wll mess up the powder some how and who wants to waste that much anavar? Thanks for the info
 
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yeah i guess i'll use the olive oil for some reason i'm just scared that it wll mess up the powder some how and who wants to waste that much anavar? Thanks for the info
my only advice is to only make a few weeks batch at a time, you don't want to waste it via the EVOO going rancid. Other than that possibility, it won't hurt the anavar. I have done it without the alcohol, but in retrospect, there is no reason not use it. Why take any risks, when it easy to just add the alcohol. Also, remember to shake for before every use since hormones are hydrophilic.
 
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I'm just curious but why not just use a scale measure the dose and cap the powder why the need to put into a solution/suspension??
 
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you could do that then u have to get filler and the dosages may not come out eact. it is alot easier to do it this way. Think about capping CEE. The caps i have hold about 700mgs. if i were to do a 6 week cycle of var that would be around 2.5 gs of powder so u need a **** load of filler.
 
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you could do that then u have to get filler and the dosages may not come out eact. it is alot easier to do it this way. Think about capping CEE. The caps i have hold about 700mgs. if i were to do a 6 week cycle of var that would be around 2.5 gs of powder so u need a **** load of filler.
plus you have to account for differences in density of the powder and filler making an optimal ratio, powder loss during capping and the tediousness of just capping itself. I've done both, suspensions are much easier, more accurate and much less work.
 
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yeah i guess i'll use the olive oil for some reason i'm just scared that it wll mess up the powder some how and who wants to waste that much anavar? Thanks for the info
why not get a cap-em-quick and encapsulate them?
 
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I think we just anwsered that question....u need alot of filler and like aspire siad the ratio would be difficult to get. suspension is much easier to do and the ratio is on point. I have a cap em quick but thats used for powders that u take at least 500mg a day of not 40mg-100mg a day.
 
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how long would it take for the olive oil to go rancid? i would think it would take a real long time, my mom had olive oil at the house that has to be at least 6 months old.
 
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how long would it take for the olive oil to go rancid? i would think it would take a real long time, my mom had olive oil at the house that has to be at least 6 months old.
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also should i just put 1250mg of anavar in a 60ml vial then add in 50ml of olive oil then shake? Is it that simple? that would make 25mg/ml correct
 
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how long would it take for the olive oil to go rancid? i would think it would take a real long time, my mom had olive oil at the house that has to be at least 6 months old.
Has it been opened? I had a bottle that went bad inside 2 months. No reason to risk it, but I don't know much about EVOO really.

also should i just put 1250mg of anavar in a 60ml vial then add in 50ml of olive oil then shake? Is it that simple? that would make 25mg/ml correct
Basically, that would actually workout to about 24mg/ml, since the volume of the olive oil + volume of the anavar would ~51.5mls. Not really worth worrying about though.
 
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i'll just put in 48.75mg of olive oil then.The olive oil is opened. i don't know why yours went bad so quick. I think i should be fine cause the suspension will be gone in 25 days anyway, but ur right why take the risk. how much alcohol did u put in?
 
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i'll just put in 48.75mg of olive oil then.The olive oil is opened. i don't know why yours went bad so quick. I think i should be fine cause the suspension will be gone in 25 days anyway, but ur right why take the risk. how much alcohol did u put in?
I would go with 5ml of everclear (if you can get it), 43.75mg of EVOO and the anavar.
 
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I'm pretty sure i can get it if not i know i can get 151 so I'll just use that..thanks a lot for the info bro you've been extremely helpful. This will also work with proviron too right? i don't see why it wouldn't just figured i would ask
 
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I'm pretty sure i can get it if not i know i can get 151 so I'll just use that..thanks a lot for the info bro you've been extremely helpful. This will also work with proviron too right? i don't see why it wouldn't just figured i would ask
it'll work with any powder, just remember to shake it before every use.
 
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i do that any way with any liquid orals i take, so i'll def remember to shake.
 
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