How do you feel about deca?

[grkbadass]

I was wondering if their was anybody who has eitheir tried deca or knows alot about it and could give me some advice. Another thing i was wonderin was what are the side-effects and do they out wieght the bad enough to make it woth taking.

 

[Matthew D]

I'm going to edit out your email address because you really don't need to be posting it

And to answer your question.. PERSONALLY, I don't care for deca

 

[bigpetefox]

Wrong forum.. :nono:

 

[Matthew D]

Pete did you move this one? or is someone underage?

 

[bigpetefox]

Moved it..

The age question is also a good one which needs answering..

 

[3clipseGT]

Hey pete since the question is already asked. If uve run deca do you like it? Also Matt, how come you dont like it?

Thanks bros!

 

[bigpetefox]

Never used deca, there are quite afew products I've never used in a lab setting.. I'm guessing the bloat from progesterone/electrolyte imbalances and death of libido could turn off the more fussy product tester..

 

[3clipseGT]

Never used deca, there are quite afew products I've never used in a lab setting.. I'm guessing the bloat from progesterone/electrolyte imbalances and death of libido could turn off the more fussy product tester..

:lol: Im no pansy so i shall test it in my lab settings!

When you say electrolyte imbalances, are you referring to the water retention?

 

[bigpetefox]

:lol: Im no pansy so i shall test it in my lab settings!

When you say electrolyte imbalances, are you referring to the water retention?

Indeed..

 

[3clipseGT]

Indeed..

I figured so, kinda like with DNP or TTA. Im getting ahold of this science stuff now! :trout:

 

[Matthew D]

The reason that I don't like it is due to the time it took me to recover from it.. and the fact that it gave me the worse case of acne that I have ever had...

 

[3clipseGT]

The reason that I don't like it is due to the time it took me to recover from it.. and the fact that it gave me the worse case of acne that I have ever had...

Aaahh got ya. What doses did you run it at if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Neuromancer]

The reason that I don't like it is due to the time it took me to recover from it.. and the fact that it gave me the worse case of acne that I have ever had...

I can second the acne problem. But it goes away when I stop so screw it. I like deca, but the bloat I get in my face is kind of annoying.

As for recovery, I always run the test for at least 4 more weeks after stopping the deca and that really seems to help.

 

[Matthew D]

If I remember correctly it was 400 mg per week was the dosage..

 

[3clipseGT]

If I remember correctly it was 400 mg per week was the dosage..

Oh boy, thats what im gonna be running..in my lab that is ,on my parakeet. Isnt like B5 good for acne?
I dont remember the dosages. I wanna say like 500-800mgs? I could be wrong, ill look it up.

 

[grkbadass]

those are all great points but i would like to hear about some of the results people have recived from deca such as strength and lean muscle mass gains.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

what was the age?

my rat ran it at 200/wk for 6 wks on a cutter. gained 9 lbs and leaned up good. strength was great did not notice any bloat. lack of libido was not noticeable til wk 6. pct was very rough.

 

[3clipseGT]

what was the age?

my rat ran it at 200/wk for 6 wks on a cutter. gained 9 lbs and leaned up good. strength was great did not notice any bloat. lack of libido was not noticeable til wk 6. pct was very rough.

Only for 6 weeks? It takes almost that long to kick in, unless you were running NPP or something.

 

[bigpetefox]

Only for 6 weeks? It takes almost that long to kick in, unless you were running NPP or something.

That's when blood concentration is highest for nandrolone.. I think this whole "kick in" theory is just that, I'm not convinced that an oil depot takes so long to break down in high temperature (your body=98.6 degrees) before the hormone makes it in circulation..

 

[3clipseGT]

That's when blood concentration is highest for nandrolone.. I think this whole "kick in" theory is just that, I'm not convinced that an oil depot takes so long to break down in high temperature (your body=98.6 degrees) before the hormone makes it in circulation..

Hey even better news then!

 

[Neuromancer]

I just saw a post from Big Cat with some studies that showed the half life pertaining to the dosage administered was about 7 days.

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15766

 

[bigpetefox]

It's in this link..

So 7 days, which means it takes 1 week for half the dose to become systemic.. Remember, half-life means the duration of time it takes half the product to take effect.. If deca truly took 6wks to have any effect (kick in), I'd see no use in it.. Never used it, so can't really say good or bad anywho..

 

[Ubiquitous]

my rat ran it at 200/wk for 6 wks on a cutter. gained 9 lbs and leaned up good. strength was great did not notice any bloat. lack of libido was not noticeable til wk 6. pct was very rough.

Your rat had no business running a decanoate compound for 6 weeks.

And yes, Nandrolone Decanoate, Testosterone Decanoate, even Enanthate and Cypionate take quite a while to build effective blood levels... the 6 week mark holds true to me personally, as I have observed this with any long ester..they are only worth being used for cycles over 10 weeks IMO.

And to answer the original poster, Nandrolone with any ester is a good addition to a cycle, if you know what you're doing with it, and have a proper recovery plan and side effect contingency plan. Nandrolone provides quality muscle gains over a period of time.. slow and steady.. quality.

Libido and recovery issues are very common when using it.

 

[Neuromancer]

It's in this link..

So 7 days, which means it takes 1 week for half the dose to become systemic.. Remember, half-life means the duration of time it takes half the product to take effect.. If deca truly took 6wks to have any effect (kick in), I'd see no use in it.. Never used it, so can't really say good or bad anywho..

:think:

Somehow the wrong link jumped onto my post!!

 

[anabolicrhino]

The best part of DECA is that its side profile is very eazy to handle.You don't feel any flu like symptoms or any artificial stimulation.You just slowly and surely get stronger 8-16 weeks of use yields major strength and some size with no negative body load feelings.Some people react negatively to the prolactin(decadick,bloating,skin rash).The resulting shut down is the strongest and longest of anything I have ever tried.(not for the swinging single guy,of course this was pre viagra)For comparison 1-TEST is a distant second.This can be offset while on cycle with TEST or DHT,nobody would ever run it alone This was the drug of choice for power athletes.Even if your dick did not work while cycling it was still worth it for the resulting strength gains.It really is not popular anymore because the metabolites of a 16 week cycle stay in your blood and fat for 18-36 months,which will get you busted if you are tested. You also feel the sides for almost that same period if you are prolactin sensative,nobody wants to be shut down for a year.Personally it made me feel stronger and (smarter?) with a little bloat.I tried bromocriptine as an ancillary that made me feel a little zombified.I would say overall I like it, But it requires too much of a time commitment for me these days.Older guys should not want anything that shuts you down like DECA will.If I were young again maybe

 

[hangclean]

In my opinion Deca is worth it for the joint strengthening effect it has. Anyone with joint problems can benefit greatly from this drug. On a side note Winstrol can have a negative impact on your joints and tendons so I wouldnt recommend the two run together.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I had heard it takes a while to kick in but I felt it on my 2nd week and it was solo. not sure what NPP is.

 

[Neuromancer]

NPP is just nandrolone phenylprop

 

[anabolicrhino]

I had heard it takes a while to kick in but I felt it on my 2nd week and it was solo. not sure what NPP is.

I noticed the sides toward the end of the cycle and post cycle.It was common to start off solo and then stack a more androgenic compound at the mid way point or at the first sign of negative sides.My strength always jumped up early then followed a more steady curve. It never seemed to fade,that was the beauty no sudden drop in strength or size like d-bol or onset of depression/appathy like test.all this was discovered the hard way because we did not know **** about shut down related depression, just gyno and bloat

 

[Ubiquitous]

NPP is just nandrolone phenylprop

and it is a wonderful, mystical thing. I love NPP..

 

[FENRIR]

so with NPP could you run it with bromo to prevent bloat theoretically?

And since I am assuming NPP is much faster acting, wouldn't it probably have less sides since it has a faster clearance time in the body?

 

[Ubiquitous]

so with NPP could you run it with bromo to prevent bloat theoretically?

And since I am assuming NPP is much faster acting, wouldn't it probably have less sides since it has a faster clearance time in the body?

Nah, shorter esters have more chance of sides because of the chance for fluctuating levels.. unless you pin very frequently. For this same reason people see less sides with Tren Enanthate than they do with Acetate.

You can run Bromo or Dost with it if you're worried about progestins.

 

[bigpetefox]

so with NPP could you run it with bromo to prevent bloat theoretically?

And since I am assuming NPP is much faster acting, wouldn't it probably have less sides since it has a faster clearance time in the body?

Bromo is for prolactin sides.. Short esters can be worse for sides, but they clear rather quickly so you can stop if they get too bad..

 

[grkbadass]

i am actually very interested in deca and i was wondering if you could give me ur personal opinoin on it. it was brought up to me by a friend but i want a larger variety of views on it.

 

[BOHICA]

i am actually very interested in deca and i was wondering if you could give me ur personal opinoin on it. it was brought up to me by a friend but i want a larger variety of views on it.

For some reason I feel you aren't old enough to even be discussing Deca, but maybe thats just me.

 

[lifted]

For myself, deca gives me better gains than test alone.

A long while back, after realizing test doesn't do much at all for me unless using 700mg+, I tried using just deca by itself for the first 6.5 weeks just to compare and the difference was night and day compared to test mg for mg. I then added in test and that was when I realized test/deca is the best thing for me in regards to a pure mass cycle. for me, 500mg deca is way better than 500mg test.

Some people are just different and when more experienced you should eventually use the trial and error method to see what drugs work best for your own body.

With that said, deca slams my libido and takes awhile for it to come back. As far as recovery goes for my self, it never really took any longer to recover from than any other AAS, it's just that my lidido was jacked for a few months after PCT. Gains were still very maintanable.

I've been wanting to try out NPP for awhile now, but I haven't used AAS for a good 9-10 months now, and am really enjoying being natty so I may never get to try it. But if I ever do decide to use again, NPP/prop will be my poison of choice. Everybody that I hear from has said that they love it.

 

[Luisciphr1]

Well, just to add in another opinion. For my first cycle I did Deca/winni (oral). Ran the winni at the beginning, with 300mg Deca per week. I'm a fairly big guy, so after a month of assessing my tolerance I upped the deca to 600mg per week. Ran it for a total of 14 weeks. Didn't have any sides, no deca dick, acne etc. Except at the very end of the cycle I did get some really annoying pimples/ingrown hairs on my neck that weren't real pretty that lasted about 3 weeks, but it was like one then it would go away then another, so I wasn't covered. All in all I really liked the Deca and it's effects. The one downside I'd say is a bit of bloat, which I hardly consider a side, but I like to think of myself as "pretty" and a big puffy face well that was my least favorite part. I give Deca a thumbs up for anyone who'd like something easier on the hairline. Oh and I started at 5'11", 238, ended at 256, and when the bloat went away I was right about 248-250, so about 10lbs, give or take a couple. And I wear a 34/36" waist.