PP lipids

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  1. PP lipids


    I can't seem to find any bloodwork for Phera-Plex. Have we established what effect it has on lipid profile?


  2. Bump on this, just wondering if anyone has any PP logs with bloodwork.

  3. Not yet but I'm guessing its similar to bloodwork on emax.
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  4. I'm sure you're right Ken. What has Emax bloodwork been like? I don't think I've seen any. I'd like to know how hepatoxic it is too.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I'm sure you're right Ken. What has Emax bloodwork been like? I don't think I've seen any. I'd like to know how hepatoxic it is too.
    bump to this. I eagerly anticipate a PP run, although it won't be happenin for me 'till February probably...

  6. BUMP

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  7. bump

    I even searched bb.com

    Seems like since it's "supposed" to be better on lipids, nobody is even bothering to get tested.

  8. ttt...........I have also searched multiple boards looking for this. I sure would like to find some blood results for hepatoxicity and lipid impact.

  9. Wouldn't the DS guys have information about this? They developed Phera-Plex and licensed it to AnabolicX, right?

  10. Send some to SS...

  11. I would be interested to know also.

  12. It probably won't be as bad as superdrol is on lipids, but it's still an oral. Expecting it to be void of negative impact on lipids is probably a pipe dream. This phenomena seems to hold true for all oral androgens. Dealing with this aspect comes with the territory of using oral androgens.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rhinochaser48
    It probably won't be as bad as superdrol is on lipids, but it's still an oral. Expecting it to be void of negative impact on lipids is probably a pipe dream. This phenomena seems to hold true for all oral androgens. Dealing with this aspect comes with the territory of using oral androgens.
    Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....

  14. Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....

  15. Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls.
    Not to get off topic, but FWIW, Adaml has a thread in the supps section about his 4 week max lmg/prostan log. He gained 11lbs and lost a little bodyfat. Of course it would be a much better stack w/ some 4ad or test, but whatta ya gonna do?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
    I second that statement.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  17. So, all these guys on "AM" took "PP" and no one had their blood tested?

    {{{ This most be a first. }}}

    I suppose to be adding "PP" to my 1ad cycle in January 2006. If I can't find the proper info needed to research this supplement, I might have to drop the "PP" from the cycle.

  18. i thought there would be a bunch of anecdotes on the pp, hard to search for "pp" too! i stocked up, would like to know a little more.

  19. After 3 weeks of ErgoLMG (I cut it short because of nipple sensitivity) my HDL was extremely low and my LDL was pretty elevated. I have a scan of the bloodwork on my office PC, and I'll post it tomorrow if anyone's interested. Total test was not detectable, and estradiol was through the roof. Interesting though, liver enzymes were only slightly elevated.

  20. I have some blood work after an ergo cycle, I will dig it up sometime this weekend, just remind me.


  21. Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....


  22. We all tend to differ in the genetic area, but I'll give my input..

    My latest bloodwork showed my HDL to be only 2 points off, LDL was low also but nothing alarming.. ALT/GGT/AST(I believe) was slightly elevated but was ruled out due to athletes having higher than normal liver function to begin with.. Values were at 59, 50 or below is considered normal..

    As I said, everyone is different.. My secret? 10g each of flax and fish oils daily..

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bigpetefox

    As I said, everyone is different.. My secret? 10g each of flax and fish oils daily..
    What about policosanol and RYR... were you running these at the time as well?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by tremelo24
    What about policosanol and RYR... were you running these at the time as well?
    No..
  25. Thumbs up


    I started on Phera-Plex earlier in the week (with some reservations because I was hoping to read a few logs with bloodwork before and after).

    My main concern was actually the possible sides associated with a very androgenic compound. This is in spite of the seeming lack of those sides in the few logs I've read. [Insert Poopypants endorsement here]

    Well, after 5 days at 20mg per day, I am not seeing any negative androgenic-type sides (no oily skin, no increased aggression, no effect on hair). Maybe it's too soon to see those possible sides? But, I am also up 5 to 6 pounds, strength is up, energy is high, pumps are very pronounced all day, etc.

    I don't get it. It's wierd ... I guess we should be thrilled that the compound isn't tending to cause some of the negative sides that were expected.

  26. Whey - you gonna get some bloodwork done while still on phera?

    I'd be an AM guinea pig for PP, but I think I'm going to be the AM guinea pig for Halodrol. I'm up for trying either as I have both coming in next week from Nutraplanet.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Whey - you gonna get some bloodwork done while still on phera?

    I'd be an AM guinea pig for PP, but I think I'm going to be the AM guinea pig for Halodrol. I'm up for trying either as I have both coming in next week from Nutraplanet.
    I didn't have blood work done beforehand. My last blood test was almost a year ago and I've done two SD cycles in the interim (since May).

    I should get it done after this cycle just to be safe. I'm trying AX's Perfect Cycle this time, plus flax and fish oil caps.

    I'll make a commitment to get tested after PCP. I can post my results ... if they are good, it will be evidence that PP may not be hard on lipids and liver values (with proper supplementation). If my lipids and liver values are out of the healthy range, then it won't be clear if my two SD cycles played a role or not.

  28. Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
    Yeah, 1-test is/was the sh*t!

    BV

  29. Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Which is why we need more non-methyl orals or transdermals. Im getting sick of all the orals, its like unless I want to always get stuff illegally I need to take methyls. I wish we could get soem new bulking compounds non-methyl, like we used to have 1-test and 4-ad along with a host of other ones. I miss 1-test.....
    Yep I hear you bro, that 1-Test was awesome ! BTW, if you a non-methyl cycle you can stack prostanazol, max lmg and finigenx, although finigenx is pretty dmn expensive.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Moyer
    Not to get off topic, but FWIW, Adaml has a thread in the supps section about his 4 week max lmg/prostan log. He gained 11lbs and lost a little bodyfat. Of course it would be a much better stack w/ some 4ad or test, but whatta ya gonna do?
    Mug a cow.

  31. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    I have some blood work after an ergo cycle, I will dig it up sometime this weekend, just remind me.

    Could you post that? Or just say what you remember was elevated or vice versa.

    Thank you

  32. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Mug a cow.
    Are you talking about Synovex or just being goofy? ( )

  33. Quote Originally Posted by Moyer
    Are you talking about Synovex or just being goofy? ( )
    Both.

  34. bump keep this thread alive. I'm waiting on someone bloodwork before I take the plunge

  35. I found a current PP log on the bb forum which had some lipid values.


    37yo
    no baseline data

    wk 1 PP @ 10mg/day
    wk 2 PP @ 20mg/day

    bloodwork taken at the beginning of wk 3

    HDL 18
    LDL 161
    Total test 23

    Continuing with

    Wk 3 PP @ 30mg/day
    Wk 4 PP @ 30 mg/day

    Other supps listed

    fish oil 6-8 grams/day
    mono creatine
    NAC
    Multi
    green tea
    whey

    Doesn’t look good for just 2 weeks, assuming his values were normal at the beginning. I guess it could be worse but he has 2 more weeks to go. I bet he will be in the single HDL by then.

  36. Well that's just guesswork though if there's no baseline data..

  37. Agreed.

    He was asked in the thread about baseline values and he didn't have any.

    But the majority of healthy 30 something adults will have better values than this. I would conclude that odds are his values were as well. (but there is no guarantee) But since we have no baseline it's all just a guess, he could have pre-existing problems with his lipid values.

    I do think that this would indicate that people should be a little bit careful with PP just like any other similar supp. Many people have assumed that it was not as harsh on lipid values, but this MAY not be the case. I think that his info is better than nothing at all.

    Unfortunately at this point we still don't know??

    Just thought I would pass this info along.

  38. I think it would be fair to say that PP is at least partially responsible for that guy's poor lipid profile. The reality is that these compounds are harsh on the liver and affects lipids as well. Not sure how much poli or RYR would help but from the bloodwork taken several months after levels seem to return to normal so what cause for concern there should be is debateable.

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    Lets keep this one up for some results.
  

  
 

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