Why no 1,4 Andro??????

[AgentOrange]

If memory serves, this compound was NOT included in the ban, thus leaving the door open for forther research.

I am somewhat puzzled, therefore, as to why various methyls are still being sold, but this compound is nowhere to be seen. Surely Bill L. (or someone else) could crank production back up.

Am I missing something here? I always viewed this as a nice counterpart to methyls.

Mods, is it source posting if someone can tell me where this compound can still be found?

 

[CEDeoudes59]

I thought it initially wasn't, but was later added to the bill?

 

[ryansm]

Mods, is it source posting if someone can tell me where this compound can still be found?

Yes

 

[lifted]

Probably because the compound sucked total ass and was a complete waste of money. It was the least effective PH bar none even at super high doses. Methyl 1,4 add was a great compound though w/o a doubt.

 

[Beowulf]

Probably because the compound sucked total ass and was a complete waste of money. It was the least effective PH bar none even at super high doses. Methyl 1,4 add was a great compound though w/o a doubt.

That sucks b/c I bought 4 bottles of 90x200mg right before the ban. I was reading a lot of great info about it, then suddenly, everyones says it sucks. At least I have the option to run it at very high doses since I have so much.

 

[AgentOrange]

I thought it initially wasn't, but was later added to the bill?

Hmmm.... Apparently you are correct. That is unfortunate.

 

[rrgg]

Hmmm.... Apparently you are correct. That is unfortunate.

I don't think so. Show me where:


[DOCID: fubl358.108]

[[Page 118 STAT. 1661]]

Public Law 108-358
108th Congress

An Act



To amend the Controlled Substances Act to clarify the definition of
anabolic steroids and to provide for research and education activities
relating to steroids and steroid precursors. <<NOTE: Oct. 22,
2004 - [S. 2195]>>

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, <<NOTE: Anabolic Steroid
Control Act of 2004.>>

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. <<NOTE: 21 USC 801 note.>>

This Act may be cited as the ``Anabolic Steroid Control Act of
2004''.
SEC. 2. AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

(a) Definitions.--Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21
U.S.C. 802) is amended--
(1) in paragraph (41)--
(A) by realigning the margin so as to align with
paragraph (40); and
(B) by striking subparagraph (A) and inserting the
following:

``(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal
substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone
(other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and
dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes--
``(i) androstanediol--
``(I) 3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and
``(II) 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
``(ii) androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);
``(iii) androstenediol--
``(I) 1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-
1-ene);
``(II) 1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-
androst-1-ene);
``(III) 4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-
4-ene); and
``(IV) 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-
ene);
``(iv) androstenedione--
``(I) 1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-
dione);
``(II) 4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione);
and
``(III) 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);
``(v) bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-
3-one);
``(vi) boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);
``(vii) calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-
en-3-one);

[[Page 118 STAT. 1662]]

``(viii) clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
``(ix) dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-
hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);
``(x) <triangle>1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. `1-
testosterone') (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);
``(xi) 4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);
``(xii) drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-
one);
``(xiii) ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);
``(xiv) fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-
dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
``(xv) formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-
dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);
``(xvi) furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-
furazan);
``(xvii) 13b-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one;
``(xviii) 4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-
en-3-one);
``(xix) 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-
4-en-3-one);
``(xx) mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-
one);
``(xxi) mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-
one);
``(xxii) methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-
dien-3-one);
``(xxiii) methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-
ene);
``(xxiv) methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-
3-one);
``(xxv) 17a-methyl-3b, 17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
``(xxvi) 17a-methyl-3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;
``(xxvii) 17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-ene.
``(xxviii) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxynandrolone (17a-methyl-4-
hydroxy-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
``(xxix) methyldienolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-
4,9(10)-dien-3-one);
``(xxx) methyltrienolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-4,9-
11-trien-3-one);
``(xxxi) methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-
4-en-3-one);
``(xxxii) mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-
3-one);
``(xxxiii) 17a-methyl-<triangle>1-dihydrotestosterone (17b-
hydroxy-17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one) (a.k.a. `17-a-methyl-
1-testosterone');
``(xxxiv) nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);
``(xxxv) norandrostenediol--
``(I) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-
dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
``(II) 19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-
dihydroxyestr-4-ene);
``(III) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-
dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and
``(IV) 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-
dihydroxyestr-5-ene);
``(xxxvi) norandrostenedione--

[[Page 118 STAT. 1663]]

``(I) 19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-
dione); and
``(II) 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-
dione;
``(xxxvii) norbolethone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-
en-3-one);
``(xxxviii) norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-
one);
``(xxxix) norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-
one);
``(xl) normethandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-
one);
``(xli) oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-
androstan-3-one);
``(xlii) oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-
en-3-one);
``(xliii) oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-
hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);
``(xliv) stanozolol (17a-methyl-17a-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-
eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);
``(xlv) stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-
3-one);
``(xlvi) testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-
1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);
``(xlvii) testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);
``(xlviii) tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-
hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);
``(xlix) trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one);
and
``(xlx) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance
described in this paragraph.

The substances excluded under this subparagraph may at any time be
scheduled by the Attorney General in accordance with the authority and
requirements of subsections (a) through (c) of section 201.''; and
(2) in paragraph (44), by inserting ``anabolic steroids,''
after ``marihuana,''.

(b) Authority and Criteria for Classification.--Section 201(g) of
the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 811(g)) is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking ``substance from a
schedule if such substance'' and inserting ``drug which contains
a controlled substance from the application of titles II and III
of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act (21
U.S.C. 802 et seq.) if such drug''; and
(2) in paragraph (3), by adding at the end the following:
``(C) Upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and
Human Services, a compound, mixture, or preparation which
contains any anabolic steroid, which is intended for
administration to a human being or an animal, and which, because
of its concentration, preparation, formulation or delivery
system, does not present any significant potential for abuse.''.

(c) Anabolic Steroids Control Act.--Section 1903 of the Anabolic
Steroids Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) <<NOTE: 21 USC 802
note.>> is amended--
(1) by striking subsection (a); and
(2) by redesignating subsections (b) and (c) as subsections
(a) and (b), respectively.

[[Page 118 STAT. 1664]]

(d) <<NOTE: 21 USC 802 note.>> Effective Date.--The amendments made
by this section shall take effect 90 days after the date of enactment of
this Act.

SEC. 3. SENTENCING COMMISSION GUIDELINES. <<NOTE: 28 USC 994 note.>>

The United States Sentencing Commission shall--
(1) review the Federal sentencing guidelines with respect to
offenses involving anabolic steroids;
(2) consider amending the Federal sentencing guidelines to
provide for increased penalties with respect to offenses
involving anabolic steroids in a manner that reflects the
seriousness of such offenses and the need to deter anabolic
steroid trafficking and use; and
(3) take such other action that the Commission considers
necessary to carry out this section.

SEC. 4. PREVENTION AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS. <<NOTE: Grants. 42 USC 290bb-
25f.>>

(a) In General.--The Secretary of Health and Human Services
(referred to in this Act as the ``Secretary'') shall award grants to
public and nonprofit private entities to enable such entities to carry
out science-based education programs in elementary and secondary schools
to highlight the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.
(b) Eligibility.--
(1) Application.--To be eligible for grants under subsection
(a), an entity shall prepare and submit to the Secretary an
application at such time, in such manner, and containing such
information as the Secretary may require.
(2) Preference.--In awarding grants under subsection (a),
the Secretary shall give preference to applicants that intend to
use grant funds to carry out programs based on--
(A) the Athletes Training and Learning to Avoid
Steroids program;
(B) The Athletes Targeting Healthy Exercise and
Nutrition Alternatives program; and
(C) other programs determined to be effective by the
National Institute on Drug Abuse.

(c) Use of Funds.--Amounts received under a grant under subsection
(a) shall be used for education programs that will directly communicate
with teachers, principals, coaches, as well as elementary and secondary
school children concerning the harmful effects of anabolic steroids.
(d) Authorization of Appropriations.--There is authorized to be
appropriated to carry out this section, $15,000,000 for each of fiscal
years 2005 through 2010.
SEC. 5. NATIONAL SURVEY ON DRUG USE AND HEALTH. <<NOTE: 42
USC 290aa-4 note.>>

(a) In General.--The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall
ensure that the National Survey on Drug Use and Health includes
questions concerning the use of anabolic steroids.

[[Page 118 STAT. 1665]]

(b) Authorization of Appropriations.--There is authorized to be
appropriated to carry out this section, $1,000,000 for each of fiscal
years 2005 through 2010.

Approved October 22, 2004.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY--S. 2195 (H.R. 3866):
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

HOUSE REPORTS: No. 108-461, Pt. 1 (Comm. on the Judiciary) and Pt. 2
(Comm. on Energy and Commerce), both accompanying H.R. 3866.
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 150 (2004):
Oct. 6, considered and passed Senate.
Oct. 8, considered and passed House.

<all>

 

[shootmeagain]

The claim that 1,4-Andro 'sucks' can certainly be strongly disputed. Most people used too little and, more importantly, used it for too short of a period of time. There was also at least one brand which was almost certainly not nearly as efficacious as label claims.

 

[B5150]

Yes.

Minimum of 1-1.2g/d for at least 6 weeks preferably 8.

 

[Beowulf]

The claim that 1,4-Andro 'sucks' can certainly be strongly disputed. Most people used too little and, more importantly, used it for too short of a period of time. There was also at least one brand which was almost certainly not nearly as efficacious as label claims.

It wasn't 1Fast/Bulk Nutrition's, was it?

 

[shootmeagain]

It wasn't 1Fast/Bulk Nutrition's, was it?

No.

 

[CDB]

I may be cross eyed from staring at spreadsheets all day at work, but I don't think it is in the bill. That said, I heard this before and ran search after search for the stuff and figured it was banned because I found absolutely nothing except dead listings for out of stock or no longer sold products. M1,4 was a great compound. Never tried the nonmethylated version though.

 

[Beowulf]

No.

Phew! I have 4x90x200mg of the BN, and I'm gonna use it all in one cycle.

 

[gixxman]

i used very high doese of 1,4 andro during my cycle and it did nothing i think doses where between 1200-1600mg and nothing...diet and everything where in order...not worth the $$$ i spent on it

 

[AgentOrange]

I don't think so. Show me where:

I mistook boldnenone for boldione. My bad.

That just brings me back to my original question: Why is no one selling it?

From other posts in this thread it seems that some people were not happy with its effects as a standalone compound. That does not mean, however, that it would not be a good compliment to methyls.

 

[Beowulf]

There used to be a poll about 1,4 andro. I think the majority of users did say they had good to great results. I can't find the poll, but if you have some time you can search around for it.

 

[ryansm]

It is expensive to source, and that translates to expense on the costumer, honestly why risk selling a weak hormone?

 

[motiv8er]

If you are looking to go that route just get some oral eq base. It is out there. Why go to jail for some weak shite??

 

[gixxman]

I don't think so. Show me where:

I mistook boldnenone for boldione. My bad.

That just brings me back to my original question: Why is no one selling it?

From other posts in this thread it seems that some people were not happy with its effects as a standalone compound. That does not mean, however, that it would not be a good compliment to methyls.

i stacked it with m4ohn and something else....

 

[rrgg]

The most likely reason no one sells 1,4ad is that:

a) Relative to other products, it is difficult to make and therefore expensive.

b) The production process can leave some real EQ in the product, therefore "contaminating" the 1,4ad. Selling EQ is illegal.

c) Companies are probably worried about paying a huge sum to make a batch, only to see it get banned leaving them out thousands of dollars.

Having said that, it's still available but that can't be mentioned here...

 

[Klaus]

"``(xlx) any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance
described in this paragraph."


Interesting. Carbonates were not included.

 

[rrgg]

It's my understanding that 1,4ad is not a "salt, ester, or ether" of the banned drugs, and it is not explicitly banned. Therefore it is legal.

Could you be more specific Klaus?

 

[Klaus]

Err, I was just thinking outloud. The article is rather specific in its statements of the banned substances. Since progestins nor carbonates are included, it might be possible to legally distribute something such as trenbolone ethylcarbonate (or whatever carbonate one may desire). It may, however, automatically be assumed that a carbonate is an ester, although this isn't entirely accurate. I'm rather intrigued by the idea of modifying a molecule only slightly such that the reaction is reversible via enzymatic pathway. This strategy could potentially make legal a vast array of these currently illegal products.

 

[mywetnightmares]

What effect would that have on the steroid in question? Would it be similar to having an ester?

 

[Klaus]

A carbonate replacing the alcohol at carbon 17 would essentially act as an ester, although it would have different pharmacokinetics. This isn't too relevent, however, since the carbonate is hydrolized prior to metabolization. The main question would be the half-life of such a substance when used for injection. I am not aware of nor have I searched for any such studies detailing this. Still, this could potentially be a legal loophole; that is, assuming the defenition of an ester and carbonate aren't presented to be the same thing according to the control act.

 

[NO MERCY]

That sucks b/c I bought 4 bottles of 90x200mg right before the ban. I was reading a lot of great info about it, then suddenly, everyones says it sucks. At least I have the option to run it at very high doses since I have so much.

I did the same as you and have 4 bottles from the same place. What are you thinking about running it at. I am thinking anywhere between 1200mgs-1600mgs for 6 weeks stacked with Superdrol.

 

[NO MERCY]

The claim that 1,4-Andro 'sucks' can certainly be strongly disputed. Most people used too little and, more importantly, used it for too short of a period of time. There was also at least one brand which was almost certainly not nearly as efficacious as label claims.

I believe this was the brand selling the diol version

 

[NO MERCY]

Yes.

Minimum of 1-1.2g/d for at least 6 weeks preferably 8.

:goodpost:

 

[Beowulf]

I did the same as you and have 4 bottles from the same place. What are you thinking about running it at. I am thinking anywhere between 1200mgs-1600mgs for 6 weeks stacked with Superdrol.

Check it out:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/anabolics/35477-winter-bulker-hmmmmmmm.html

I'm planning on 60 days at 1.2g daily

 

[NO MERCY]

Check it out:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/anabolics/35477-winter-bulker-hmmmmmmm.html

I'm planning on 60 days at 1.2g daily

Thanks.

Best of luck

 

[same_old]

super old thread, but i wanted to add that 1,4ad is the real deal. after a week on 900mg/day of BN's brand last year i was REALLY anxious, and EQ always makes me anxious.

 

[rrgg]

Technically it's still legal. Too bad no one's allowed to trade it.

 

[same_old]

Technically it's still legal. Too bad no one's allowed to trade it.

i know it. granted, there are places you can go to sell it if you have some...but the people there would likely have no clue what 1,4ad is, and if it was explained as a prohormone, it would be laughed at.

you'd think folks would look far and wide for a fast-acting EQ. i have some bold cyp in EO that i look forward to trying next year, and some bold base transdermal, too. gonna have to mortgage my house for all the damn xanax i'm gonna need to stay calm!

 

[misterc206]

want to start 1ad but still smoke dope. are there any persons who have and with what effects?

 

[ryansm]

You are kidding me right?