Correcting Hormone Imbalances & HAIRLOSS

[TheMonster]

Okay, back in May I ran a 3 week cycle of the prohormones Superdrol and Max LMG. About a month later, I started experiencing hair shedding/loss. It's now August and I've been shedding alot and I feel tired. I did some research and found this interesting piece on hairloss:

Hormonal problems may cause hair loss. If your thyroid gland is overactive or underactive, your hair may fall out. This hair loss usually can be helped by treatment of the thyroid disease. Hair loss may occur if male or female hormones, known as androgens and estrogens, are out of balance. Correcting the hormone imbalance may stop your hair loss.

I just had a TSH (thyroid test) blood test done two days ago. It came out to be 0.6, meaning my thyroid is either overactive or underactive. My question is, what can I do to correct my hormone imbalances? Is there anything I can do or will my body 'naturally' correct itself. Would finasteride (propecia) help?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[jcam222]

Finasteride will only be helpful if the cause of hairloss is DHT in the scalp. Finasteride blocks the 5-alpha reductase enzyme from converting test to dht. There are certainly a host of things that can contribute to hairloss. I doubt the the SD and Max LMG are related to your thyroid issue. In addition I would say that if you chose to block DHT conversion I would be a far greater proponent of topical spiro as opposed to finasteride. Finasteride is a systemic reaction and DHT has as many postives as negatives.


.6 on the TSH is within range on the tests from Labcorp. What is the range and lab for yours? TSH is also far from a reliable sole indicator of thyroid function. You typcially should also measure free t3 and free t4.

If I were a betting man my money would be on residual shediding from the PHs effect on scalp receptors (keep in mind many chemicals other than just DHT can affect sheeding and often about a month afer cycle the worst) I would blame the tiredness on surpressed test levels. You would be smart to have a complete hormonal panel run......or at a minimum run total test, free test, dht, tsh, free t3 and t4 and E2 ultra sensitive assay

 

[TheMonster]

Finasteride will only be helpful if the cause of hariloss is DHT in the scalp. Finasteride blocks the 5-alpha reducttase converting test to dht. There are certainly a host of things that can contribute to hairloss. I doubt the the SD and Max LMG are related to your thyroid issue.


.6 on the TSH is within range on the tests from Labcorp. What is the range and lab for yours? TSH is also far from a reliable sole indicator of thyroid function. You typcially should also measure free t3 and free t4.

If I were a betting man my money would be on residual shediding from the PHs effect on scalp receptors (keep in mind many chemicals other than just DHT can affect sheeding and often about a month afer cycle the worst) I would blame the tiredness on surpressed test levels. You would be smart to have a complete hormonal panel run......or at a minimum run total test, free test, dht, tsh, free t3 and t4 and E2 ultra sensitive assay

it said my reading was .6 and the range started at .7 to like 6 somethin. He now wants me to go to a radiologist to get a full thryoid scan?

 

[TheMonster]

Finasteride will only be helpful if the cause of hairloss is DHT in the scalp. Finasteride blocks the 5-alpha reductase enzyme from converting test to dht. There are certainly a host of things that can contribute to hairloss. I doubt the the SD and Max LMG are related to your thyroid issue. In addition I would say that if you chose to block DHT conversion I would be a far greater proponent of topical spiro as opposed to finasteride. Finasteride is a systemic reaction and DHT has as many postives as negatives.


.6 on the TSH is within range on the tests from Labcorp. What is the range and lab for yours? TSH is also far from a reliable sole indicator of thyroid function. You typcially should also measure free t3 and free t4.

If I were a betting man my money would be on residual shediding from the PHs effect on scalp receptors (keep in mind many chemicals other than just DHT can affect sheeding and often about a month afer cycle the worst) I would blame the tiredness on surpressed test levels. You would be smart to have a complete hormonal panel run......or at a minimum run total test, free test, dht, tsh, free t3 and t4 and E2 ultra sensitive assay

Jcam, I appreciate all your help as well. I tried to PM you but it says I don't have that privilege. Can you PM or e-mail me your e-mail address or AIM SN where I can talk to you more about my situation if you don't mind? I'd appeciate it.

My e-mail is [email protected].

 

[KD1]

Ive read that thyroid problems can cause hairloss in both men and women, but that the hair rarely returns to normal even with treatment.

 

[TheMonster]

Ive read that thyroid problems can cause hairloss in both men and women, but that the hair rarely returns to normal even with treatment.

So you're saying I might go bald at the age of 21? I have topical Spiro and AA, I'm still considering finasteride... Will any of that stuff help?

 

[jcam222]

Well based on the range you are certainly on the low end of function. I would say its possible to have a thyroid or even pituitary issue (tsh is actually released by the pituitary gland). I would certainly follow the doctors advice. I am sure along wiht the scans he will want to do further blood work.

Regarding the spiro and AA I do not believe either will do you any good if the issue is thryoid function based. If you could afford it I would test for the others levels as well. Having said that it couldnt hurt to try them.....if they work it will most likely be because your dht levels were or are elevated.

Why dont you hit bobo up with a $10 donation and PM me here. If you cant do that post back and I will give you an email you can send to.


And by the way.......have you used any supplement that could have a rebound effect on thyroid...for example trimax or dicana? or even t3

 

[TheMonster]

Well based on the range you are certainly on the low end of function. I would say its possible to have a thyroid or even pituitary issue (tsh is actually released by the pituitary gland). I would certainly follow the doctors advice. I am sure along wiht the scans he will want to do further blood work.

Regarding the spiro and AA I do not believe either will do you any good if the issue is thryoid function based. If you could afford it I would test for the others levels as well. Having said that it couldnt hurt to try them.....if they work it will most likely be because your dht levels were or are elevated.

Why dont you hit bobo up with a $10 donation and PM me here. If you cant do that post back and I will give you an email you can send to.


And by the way.......have you used any supplement that could have a rebound effect on thyroid...for example trimax or dicana? or even t3

I'll def. do the $10 thing, I wasn't aware of it before.

As far as any of those supplements...nope. Only done prohormones like 1-AD, 1-Test, and just recently Superdrol and Max LMG. Can prohormones cause a disruption of the thyroid? I would figure that PRO-"hormones" could lead to a natual imbalance of hormones in the body...?

I have a thyroid scan appointment on September 8th. In the meantime, I am getting really self conscious about my hair. I'm still shedding like crazy and it's starting to noticably thin. Would finasteride help stop the hair loss and possibly return my hormones back to normal balance?

 

[jcam222]

I am not a big fan of finasteride even if the cause of the loss is dht. Due to the systemic effect some people (definately me) have tremendous loss of libido. There are even some folks suing the manufacturer of Propecia because they have never recovered it. Having said that there are thousands and thousands that use it and have no issues. There are several threads here on hair loss I would suggest you read. If you dont want to just try the spiro topical you could try the finasteride. It does take a while to kick in. Remember this is only going to help IF the cause is dht or some other harsh androgen being converted via 5alpha reductase.

If anyone else has something to add feel free I am FAR from an expert.

Do you happen to notice noticebably more brittle nails.....dryer skin.....ongoing lowered basal temp?

 

[same_old]

bro, it sounds like a standard case of accelerated MPB brought on by steroids. i'm not sure why all the conjecture is going on. you have the gene, you will continue to lose. finasteride can really help, but it kills my libido, too (i only use it while on test-based cycles)

you can try fluridil - kinda pricey but looks great on paper and has some good feedback.

 

[TheMonster]

bro, it sounds like a standard case of accelerated MPB brought on by steroids. i'm not sure why all the conjecture is going on. you have the gene, you will continue to lose. finasteride can really help, but it kills my libido, too (i only use it while on test-based cycles)

you can try fluridil - kinda pricey but looks great on paper and has some good feedback.

I certainly agree with you, but then why is my doctor so worried about my Thryoid gland? Is it possible that Nolvadex can cause it to be 'out of whack'.

 

[TheMonster]

I am not a big fan of finasteride even if the cause of the loss is dht. Due to the systemic effect some people (definately me) have tremendous loss of libido. There are even some folks suing the manufacturer of Propecia because they have never recovered it. Having said that there are thousands and thousands that use it and have no issues. There are several threads here on hair loss I would suggest you read. If you dont want to just try the spiro topical you could try the finasteride. It does take a while to kick in. Remember this is only going to help IF the cause is dht or some other harsh androgen being converted via 5alpha reductase.

If anyone else has something to add feel free I am FAR from an expert.

Do you happen to notice noticebably more brittle nails.....dryer skin.....ongoing lowered basal temp?

My nails seem to be fine. Dry skin? Not really, I use lotion daily for my face, hands, arms, legs regardless. If I start to use Finasteride [Propecia] and I go see an endocronologist or whomever my doc recommends seeing, would my hormonal levels be off due to the Propecia? He wants me to get a Thyroid scan [Sept 8th] and then send that scan to an endocronologist...

I ran the cycle in May, and PCT'ed Liquid Nolvadex in June. After the PCT, I started noticing all the hair shedding, etc. Will my natural hormone levels ever return back to 'normal' by itself and will the shedding eventually stop?

 

[mb27]

I had a hyperactive thyroid last year and lost hair in clumps. It all grew back. Definitely get a thyroid scan. It's a two day process. You take a pill one day, 24 hours later you come back and get an injection while they do the scan.

 

[TheMonster]

I had a hyperactive thyroid last year and lost hair in clumps. It all grew back. Definitely get a thyroid scan. It's a two day process. You take a pill one day, 24 hours later you come back and get an injection while they do the scan.

Hmm...I wasn't aware that it was a two day process... Anyway, how long did it take for your hair to grow back?

 

[rrgg]

I am not a big fan of finasteride even if the cause of the loss is dht. Due to the systemic effect some people (definately me) have tremendous loss of libido.

That effect is present in only something like 6% of finasteride users.

 

[same_old]

That effect is present in only something like 6% of finasteride users.

yeah, said pfizer or whoever it is that pimps it.

it's way higher. check any number of roid boards. for guys that use their dick alot, they notice. i'm guessing half of users, that i've read about. the seminal volume reduction alone is disconcerting enough - i cant be a pornstar without the big loads...

 

[RipdnTxs2]

I have used finasteride for about five years, no sides except no excessive hairloss, but I did notice more shedding about a month and a half after superdrol cycle, stopped after a few weeks.......

 

[rrgg]

yeah, said pfizer or whoever it is that pimps it.

it's way higher. check any number of roid boards. for guys that use their dick alot, they notice. i'm guessing half of users, that i've read about. the seminal volume reduction alone is disconcerting enough - i cant be a pornstar without the big loads...

OK, I'll bite. What percentage are affected, based on your scientific study of internet forums?

Yes, scientists unconsciously influence their own experiments. That's why Merck did DOUBLE-BLIND randomized placebo-controlled year-long studies -- 3 of them.

I'm not sure why you automatically think the results were grossly falsified. I also don't see how reading internet feedback proves your cynicism.

I'm sorry if you had this side effect, but I didn't. And what's with the macho "DICK" comment anyway? Maybe "real" men have so much sex drive, that if propecia shaves a little off, it isn't noticeable. :smite:

(Just joking)

P.S. I was wrong about the 6%. Only 3.8% experienced sexual side effects compared to 2.1% using the placebo. 1.8% experienced decreased libido compared to 1.3% using the placebo.

 

[mb27]

Hmm...I wasn't aware that it was a two day process... Anyway, how long did it take for your hair to grow back?

It pretty much started growing back once the thyroid issue was resolved. And yup, it's a two day thing. You are only at the hospital a half hour each day. Most of that time is spent waiting.

 

[rhinochaser48]

A few comments:

After a 4AD/M5AA/MDHT cycle I was shedding hair for 3-4 months straight. I was using topical spironlactone, but it didn't do anything. It just kept coming out. It didn't matter too much though, as I shave my head, but everytime I let it grow out a little I'd notice I had less of it.

Most of it has since come back. And I'm prone to losing it. My mother's brother was cue-ball bald at the age of 24.


I haven't done any research on finasteride and hair loss, nor have a paid much attention to anecdotal feedack, but DHT related hairloss, when genetic, has more to do with the an enzyme in the skin than with systematic blood concentration. Most hair-loss causing DHT isn't even DHT until after it has bound to the androgen receptor and has been converted "on-site". Therefor, reducing systematic DHT with a systematic drug will have little or no effect on genetic hair loss, (but maybe real world results can prove me wrong?).

 

[same_old]

Most hair-loss causing DHT isn't even DHT until after it has bound to the androgen receptor and has been converted "on-site". Therefor, reducing systematic DHT with a systematic drug will have little or no effect on genetic hair loss, (but maybe real world results can prove me wrong?).

i think the real-world results of 5AR blockers like finasteride do indeed prove your theory false, but i agree that the nature of the beast is a little enigmatic.

rrgg - how can you quantify a slight amount of "libido loss"? you can't. the erectile function is stronger or weaker depending on a myriad of influences. that 1.8% number is a joke, though. start reading around. if every forum has countless guys who claim the same thing as a reuslt of taking a drug, you feel free to ignore the obvious while i honor the sound brological approach.

and you only interpreted my comment as "macho and/or dick" probably because of some insecurities on your part. all i'm saying is i didnt want to **** all day long 2 days after taking finasteride, and for the duration of my use of it...i cant speak for every other guy, but any small amount of drop in libido is apparent to me.

 

[rrgg]

if every forum has countless guys who claim the same thing as a reuslt of taking a drug, you feel free to ignore the obvious while i honor the sound brological approach.

There's nothing sound about an inference from anecdotal evidence. Unless you know both the number of guys who do and do not complain about it on the forums, how can you possibly know what percentage are seeing this side effect?


Nevertheless could you please tell me what percentage you think are affected, based on brologic? I'm serious.

and you only interpreted my comment as "macho and/or dick" probably because of some insecurities on your part.

Absolutely not. I clearly stated that I was joking around.

 

[same_old]

Nevertheless could you please tell me what percentage you think are affected, based on brologic? I'm serious. I want to know your estimate.

enough to warrant keeping a close eye on how hard your dick gets and how often you want sex. guesstimating numbers here is futile....my body doesnt care what % are affected. that's brology 101.

 

[rrgg]

Huh? If you gleened all this information from the forum, why can't you come up with a percentage?

Let me put it this way, 1.8% can seem like a lot of guys on a forum.

I just did a quick look at the member list here and estimated 15,900 members. If 1.8% are affected, then that's still 286 guys who will complain about this side effect. That can seem like a lot when a propecia thread gets started and a bunch jump in to complain.

Here's another point: Some guys on the board are buying "research" liquid finasteride, not propecia tablets. Are you sure all of those board members are taking the actual 1mg dose used in that study? By the way, at 5mg, the side effects go way up.

 

[same_old]

Huh? If you gleened all this information from the forum, why can't you come up with a percentage?

Let me put it this way, 1.8% can seem like a lot of guys on a forum.

I just did a quick look at the member list here and estimated 15,900 members. If 1.8% are affected, then that's still 286 guys who will complain about this side effect. That can seem like a lot when a propecia thread gets started and a bunch jump in to complain.

gee, you think all 15,900 guys are taking finasteride?

i used (and will use) the 1mg dose.

i am through arguing your point...i dont have one besides - "it is possible you might not have the same quality wood you had before finasteride" i happen to think it affects more guys than is advertised (check hairloss boards, too - plenty of guys wont touch it for this reason) but that doesnt really matter; all that does matter is that it's possible, and a prudent person should look out for it.

 

[rrgg]

I didn't mean to imply that 15,900 are taking it. I was making a statistical point.

What I'm trying to say is that if you see 5, 10, or 50 guys complaining about finasteride on a forum, you have no one way of knowing what percentage that really is.

If there are about 150 million men in the US, 2.7 million would still notice this side effect when taking propecia.

i dont have one

I agree.

 

[same_old]

I didn't mean to imply that 15,900 are taking it. I was making a statistical point.

What I'm trying to say is that if you see 5, 10, or 50 guys complaining about finasteride on a forum, you have no one way of knowing what percentage that really is.

If there are about 150 million men in the US, 2.7 million would still notice this side effect when taking propecia.


I agree.

:yawn: i am so happy you made your meaningless statistical point. i'm gonna go inject some heroin from a used needle while having raw anal sex with an african prostitute...because i trust the statistical improbability that i wont contract something...that's how committed i am to making your point for you.

 

[jcam222]

rrgg / same old.....come on guys. You both seem like great people. I have seen lots of good posts from both of you. You both have valid points on this issue but I think we have lost sight of the fact the thread was to help a bro out whos really worried.

I will say this ......somewhere between brologic and the drug companies release data is usually reality. I think we would all be quite naive if we didnt realize much was swept under the carpet so to speak to get drugs approved. At the same time yes there are hundreds of thousands using the drug with no issues whatsoever.

There is a group of folks out there though that have had permanent libido loss from the drug. If I get a chance I will link you to that. I am sure there is data there.


To the monster If you re going to having blood tests etc soon do not take the propeica or anything else not prescribed by the doctor. It will taint thte test results and you wont know whats going on for sure.

 

[rrgg]

jcam- I agree that the number may not be exactly what Merck's double-blind studies claim, but sameold seems to imply that the number is something like 50%+. I'm only calling him out for being so arbitrarily dismissive, even maybe cynical. If what I wrote sounded offensive, I didn't mean it.

 

[TheMonster]

rrgg / same old.....come on guys. You both seem like great people. I have seen lots of good posts from both of you. You both have valid points on this issue but I think we have lost sight of the fact the thread was to help a bro out whos really worried.

I will say this ......somewhere between brologic and the drug companies release data is usually reality. I think we would all be quite naive if we didnt realize much was swept under the carpet so to speak to get drugs approved. At the same time yes there are hundreds of thousands using the drug with no issues whatsoever.

There is a group of folks out there though that have had permanent libido loss from the drug. If I get a chance I will link you to that. I am sure there is data there.


To the monster If you re going to having blood tests etc soon do not take the propeica or anything else not prescribed by the doctor. It will taint thte test results and you wont know whats going on for sure.

Jcam, could you hit me up with an e-mail addy? Sorry, I am still waiting (2 weeks) now for my new debit card that still hasnt arrived. I can't even order Propecia or anything like that until it arrives...

 

[jcam222]

Just saw this monster......hit me here
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