Clean Bulk - Deca, DBol, Primo

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Clean Bulk - Deca, DBol, Sust

Did a search to no avail, although I've heard this stack is very popular...I'm doing an 8 week Dbol, Deca, Sust stack. I recently just cut from 260 to 225 using Superdrol, Prostanozol, Stacker2, SesaThin, and some other OTC's.

Just wondering anyone's thoughts on this cycle, or at least a Deca-DBol stack, cus I KNOW that's as old as time itself. Thanks.
 

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I am not a big fan of deca. It is a really good drug but for some it can be full of side effects.

Also, I think that you should not even bother with the primobolan and instead add some testosterone.
 

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I am not a big fan of deca. It is a really good drug but for some it can be full of side effects.

Also, I think that you should not even bother with the primobolan and instead add some testosterone.
My original plans were Deca, Dbol, and Sustanon. But I'm more concerned with definition than size. Even with a diuretic i'm thinking the Sust will give me that bloated look. But i get what you're saying. If you're gonna spend $250, might as well spend it on something that makes you bigger and stronger than on something thats more subtle and makes you look hard and defined. But i really hate that puffy look that highly aromatizing compounds produce. I'd sacrifice some size for ultra low bf levels.

With regards to Deca, the only thing that concerns me is its incredibly long detection time.
 

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the cycle IMO should be ran for longer than 8 wks, especially if you have deca. If you want to do deca/dbol I'd recommend:

wk 1-10: 300-400 mgs deca/wk (or you could run it for 12 wks)
wk 1-4: 30 mgs dbol/day
 

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the cycle IMO should be ran for longer than 8 wks, especially if you have deca. If you want to do deca/dbol I'd recommend:

wk 1-10: 300-400 mgs deca/wk (or you could run it for 12 wks)
wk 1-4: 30 mgs dbol/day
yeah thats what I've been hearing/reading. Thanks for the info
 

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I agree with Size... Deca is not worth the sides. Stuff shut me down for long time. I would go some cyp and anavar.
 

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primo is great for calorie deficit diets...however deca and dbol are horrible cutting aas's.....they will blow you up and most have to use deca at low doses because of sides....deca and dbol should only be used for bulking IMHO...however primo ace (injectable) and test prop would be great for a cutter something like:


1-6 test prop 100mg eod
1-6 primo ace 100mg eod

that would be expensive, but very effective
 

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Deca and dbol would be a good cycle if you ran it with the proper ancillaries. An ideal cycle would be with NPP (fast acting deca) and dbol. Something like:

1-6 NPP 400mgs
1-6 Dbol 1-20mgs

Or if you have no access to NPP, I would fronload the deca and run a longer cycle like this:

Week 1: 800mgs Deca
Week 2: 600mgs
Week 3-12: 400mgs Deca
Week1-4, 10-14: 20mgs Dbol

Also, I would look into an dopamine agonist like bromocriptine or dostinex to reduce prolactin and keep your libido up. Good luck.
 

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change of plans

Hey guys thanks for all the info. I actualy decided to stick with my original plan of Deca,
Dbol, and Sust. The Primo wasnt worth it for what you get really. I'm gonna be eating a low
cal diet to stay lean. I know this isnt really the most optimal way to use deca and dbol, but im most
concerned about the water retention, which is somewhat related to insulin levels when you eat hi
calorie diets. I'm going to start with low doses to keep my eye on the bloating. If I start to get pudgy in the
face i'll drop the doses off a bit. I'm most likely going to save the dbol for the last 4 weeks instead of the 1st 4.
I'll be takin 3 stacker2's a day (i'm too sensitive for Clen/T3) and doin cardio to stay ultra lean.

I also will probably add Prostanozol for the last 4 weeks with the Dbol. It's ALRI's legal counterpart to Winny. If winny is
a 10, Prostan is about a 7. I've used it before and it works very well. I got better results than my friends who were on
Winny solely because my diet was cleaner.

thanks again for all the input.
 

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Crisis, I think you are really miss informed on the Deca/Dbol.. looks like a deca dick in the making.
 

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Personally, Matthew, I would never run deca/dbol. I'm just saying that if he was deadset on running it, that is how I would set it up. Dostinex would most likely take care of the deca dick problem (and maybe a little cialis lol).
 

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Personally, Matthew, I would never run deca/dbol. I'm just saying that if he was deadset on running it, that is how I would set it up. Dostinex would most likely take care of the deca dick problem (and maybe a little cialis lol).
I appreciate you guys lookin out for my wang, but I've got easy access to vitamin V if need be.
 

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if i were you and were to run a clean bulk i would go with 1 test and stack it with some Tren that should give you some real nice clean bulk
 

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Ok, i copy and pasted this from another thread i threw it in...

im gonna go 12 weeks deca/sust, then weeks 9-12 add dbol and maybe winny, all the while on 3 stacker2's a day (i cant handle clen/t3) to keep the water retention to a minimum. My calories I know should be around 5000 at least to get the most out of deca and sust, but im keeping them around 2500. I know some see that as a waste, but i only want clean gains, and if i gain 15 lbs of pure muscle versus 30 lbs of muscle, fat, and water, i'll take the former any day. Besides, i'm starting at 230 so im hopin to end at 255 then end up shredded at 245 or so.

For the deca and sust i'm plannin on this

mon: deca right buttock
thurs: sust left buttock
mon: deca left shoulder
thurs: sust right shoulder

and just keep it rotating so the same site sees a needle only every 14 days.
 

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well i got all the stuff ready to go. i was just wondering what you guys thought about this...I just got off a 4 week cycle of Superdrol, which for those of you that dont know is an OTC methylated oral steroid. I've been off it for a few days now but im really itchin to start up with the dbol (i dont have syringes yet for the Deca and Sust). Should I save the Dbol for the last 4 weeks of my 12 week stack to allow my liver to recover from the SD, or will i still get some liver damage from the deca and sust that it wont matter when i start the dbol??
 
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I don't understand...you didn't wanna use test because you don't want to have bloat...but you think that using deca/dbol will be okay? LMAO, I think you should hold off for awhile longer and do more research....you don't sound ready to me....that's my advice....something as simple as reading drug profiles would tell you this.

I also think that if you DO decide to go on with this, then you should wait longer since you just came off a SD cycle....give your body a break and let it recover first before you hit up another cycle.
 

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I don't understand...you didn't wanna use test because you don't want to have bloat...but you think that using deca/dbol will be okay? LMAO, I think you should hold off for awhile longer and do more research....you don't sound ready to me....that's my advice....something as simple as reading drug profiles would tell you this.

I also think that if you DO decide to go on with this, then you should wait longer since you just came off a SD cycle....give your body a break and let it recover first before you hit up another cycle.
The bloat is more associated with diet than anything else. Most guys using deca and dbol eat everything in sight, and rightfully so, they get HUGE very fast, but its gonna be lots of water. You think that might be the reason they look like they're pregnant with a moon face? i've watched amateur bobdybuilders use deca and dbol and put on quality muscle without the bloat. When was the last time you saw a pic of arnold all bloated and prego looking? And we all know what his AAS of choice was in his heyday.

And please, if you're going to post, leave the attitude at the door. I'm not going to say what i was going to because it will just start a flame war and ruin the thread. But thanks for your opinion about holding off on the dbol.

I'm going to be eating a relatively low calorie, moderate carb diet, keeping up with the cardio, and taking Stacker2's regularly and perhaps other OTC diuretics periodically throughout the 12 weeks to keep the water retention under control. The last 6 weeks i'll be adding Winny to finish up hard and clean. I know when most guys hear something like deca/dbol/sust they get all excited cus it means they can start to eat like pigs and just get gigantic, and you know, it's true. But i dont believe in putting on mass that isnt as fat and water free as possible. And i guess i just always try to make every bulk a 'clean bulk'. But i'll admit, my biggest challenge is going to be not using the AAS as a crutch to get lazy with my diet. I'm just anxious to see how it works out.
 

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deca will cause retains of subq fluid and definately bloat you bro.....you are better off using testosterone and some anti aromatase with a clean diet..you will get alot more cut....but more power too you i wish you the best
 

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Thanks man...I'm gonna try and get my hands on some Arimidex for the bloating/aromatization, and i'm only plannin on 300 mg deca and 375-500 mg a week of sust, with 30-45 mg dianabol a day. I'm sure i'll bloat a little, but i'll just have to deal with it. Hopefully i can get the Arimidex sooner than later. And I've also got the Stacker2 and some OTC diuretics to combat it too, as well as Winny for weeks 6-12

P.S. I just did the first dose of Deca and Sust, and I started the Dbol last night. So i guess i'll post my results/impressions as they come if anyone's interested.

deca will cause retains of subq fluid and definately bloat you bro.....you are better off using testosterone and some anti aromatase with a clean diet..you will get alot more cut....but more power too you i wish you the best
 
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Stop being a crybaby about the "bloated look" and get some damned test.
 
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And please, if you're going to post, leave the attitude at the door. I'm not going to say what i was going to because it will just start a flame war and ruin the thread.
No bro, you should check YOUR attitude at the door. You make no sense...and I'm seriously just trying to give you the best advice here...

And please say what you were going to say....I'm a big boy and can care less what some kid says about me on a message board...lol. Insult away...but you're burning your bridges here. To tell you the truth, I don't even think you're 22 like your profile says...I think you're another kid that got banned recently and is now trying to make a comeback...

Your reasoning behind deca's NON-bloat and dbols NON-bloat are wrong....I love it when people use arnold to make a point...lmfao. Your diet will still play a major part, yes....but you will still hold water on dbols/deca...again, a simple read on some profiles would have told you this...
 
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Thanks man...I'm gonna try and get my hands on some Arimidex for the bloating/aromatization, and i'm only plannin on 300 mg deca and 375-500 mg a week of sust, with 30-45 mg dianabol a day. I'm sure i'll bloat a little, but i'll just have to deal with it. Hopefully i can get the Arimidex sooner than later. And I've also got the Stacker2 and some OTC diuretics to combat it too, as well as Winny for weeks 6-12

P.S. I just did the first dose of Deca and Sust, and I started the Dbol last night. So i guess i'll post my results/impressions as they come if anyone's interested.
Yet another reason I think you're not ready is you just came off of a SD cycle...been off for 3 whole days, and just started another cycle. :rolleyes:

BTW, you should have EVERYTHING for your cycle (ancillaries, aas, PCT, etc.) before you start it.

I've given you my advice, take it or leave it...your call. Later bud...
 
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Ok, i copy and pasted this from another thread i threw it in...

im gonna go 12 weeks deca/sust, then weeks 9-12 add dbol and maybe winny, all the while on 3 stacker2's a day (i cant handle clen/t3) to keep the water retention to a minimum. My calories I know should be around 5000 at least to get the most out of deca and sust, but im keeping them around 2500. I know some see that as a waste, but i only want clean gains, and if i gain 15 lbs of pure muscle versus 30 lbs of muscle, fat, and water, i'll take the former any day. Besides, i'm starting at 230 so im hopin to end at 255 then end up shredded at 245 or so.

For the deca and sust i'm plannin on this

mon: deca right buttock
thurs: sust left buttock
mon: deca left shoulder
thurs: sust right shoulder

and just keep it rotating so the same site sees a needle only every 14 days.
How do you define shredded?

I mean, what is ur current BF%, ewight, etc, and what is your goal BF%, etc?

Because, if you're looking to gain 15 net lbs and lost a shitload of BF% over the course of 2-3 months, when the lnog esters will take a month to kick in anyway, methinks you're aiming for the heavens.

A newbie would be lucky to gain 15 lbs of LBM on a first cycle over the course of 2 months. Let alone net 15 and lose a shitload of BF.
 
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what is primo?
Methenolone enanthate, basically a 1-methylDHT derivative that's good mainly for hardening.. Up there with Drostanolone Dipropionate (Masteron) as "Most Over-Rated Drug" in my opinion, too many guys who want/use it don't even compete..

Basically, you can clean bulk on any compound pending dose, and diet.. Anti-Aromatase used lightly to control bloat can help.. ;)
 

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you know what guys, there really is very little help to be sought on this board. I mean everyone has their ego's that they need to inflate, i'm really sick of it. I've got everything i need for the cycle including PCT, and i've started it. Here are my stats for the dude that asked.

5'10" 225
chest 50
arms 19
waist 34

never had a bf% measurement

I dont have a goal bf or weight. I want to gain actual pounds and size while maintaining my waist size or decreasing. I'm sorry, but "shredded" was a poor choice of words on my part. I just meant hard and cut, I'm not expecting to look as if i just finished a T3/Clen cycle. But yeah, this thread has really become a waste of space and time. I'll just take before and after pics and let those do the talking. Peace.
 
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Nobody's ego's buddy. We're just "actually" helping you (although you may expereince some chastising :D -- happens to all of us!).

If your stats are on, you're probably already in the 10 or sub 10 range for BF%. Are we talking the size pants you wear or your waist (taped)? 50" chest, 19" arms, and 34" waist is damn good and at that size you would be very lucky to net 15lbs while losing BF% like crazy (meaning LBM gain is much higher than 15lbs). But, your new descirption of maintaining the waist seems a bit more reasonable :D

If you can do it, more power to you. Best of luck.

And, this is the most helpful board on the net. You've just got to learn how to get along around here.
 

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Nobody's ego's buddy. We're just "actually" helping you (although you may expereince some chastising :D -- happens to all of us!).

If your stats are on, you're probably already in the 10 or sub 10 range for BF%. Are we talking the size pants you wear or your waist (taped)? 50" chest, 19" arms, and 34" waist is damn good and at that size you would be very lucky to net 15lbs while losing BF% like crazy (meaning LBM gain is much higher than 15lbs). But, your new descirption of maintaining the waist seems a bit more reasonable :D

If you can do it, more power to you. Best of luck.

And, this is the most helpful board on the net. You've just got to learn how to get along around here.
yeah you're right. Unfortunately my personality is a little stand-off ish so that doesnt help any. So i apologize if im a little testy. Truth be told i'm already starting to feel the psychological effects of the Dbol, both for the good and bad. During my workouts i feel on top of the world, like I can go forever. The pumps are insane too. I'm actually afraid to see what happens when the Deca and Sust start working.

As far as your inquiry, those are all taped measurements. I just had to have a custom suit made and thats what the tailor came up with, although i did my arms myself, relaxed. After a hi volume bi and tri workout i've gotten them 21.5 inches fully pumped, but i mean that's just for bragging rights. All measurements above were relaxed.

As far as my actual cycle, here's what the final product is.

Dianabol (weeks 1-4): 45 mg/day
Deca (weeks 1-2): 1200 mg/week
Deca (weeks 3-12): 450-600 mg/week
Sustanon (weeks 1-12): 700-750 mg/week
Winstrol (weeks 6-12): 50 mg/day
Primobolan (weeks 6-12): 500 mg/week
Arimidex (weeks 1-12): 0.5 mg/day

PCT
Clomid 50 mg/day

I KNOW i'm gonna catch some flack for this cycle/stack cus i seem to be breaking the cardinal rule of either bulking or cutting, but not both at the same time. I'm definitely not "cutting", just trying to clean up a bit with the Primo and Winny at the tail end of the cycle.

Other supps:
Stacker2: 3 pills daily
Flaxseed oil: 3-6 g daily
MegaMan Mutli-vitamin: 4 tabs daily
BSN CellMass: 2 scoops daily
SesaThin: 3 servings daily with meals
SAN BCAA-Pro: 4 tabs 3 times daily
 
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Basically, you can clean bulk on any compound pending dose, and diet.. Anti-Aromatase used lightly to control bloat can help.. ;)

Pete could you PLEASE shout this from the roof tops!

I see guys cycles that would make a national competitors head spin with starting with this AS the first 4 weeks then change to this then end with another etc etc lol

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OMG I just made my post right above BEFORE I read your post above with what you have decided to do.


WOW I am just amazed.Why are you bothering to increase the sus and then decrease it? This is exactly the sort of cycle I was talking about.

Guy I am telling you Pick a test and oral and something like Deca why make things so complicated?


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you know what guys, there really is very little help to be sought on this board. I mean everyone has their ego's that they need to inflate, i'm really sick of it. I've got everything i need for the cycle including PCT, and i've started it. Here are my stats for the dude that asked.

5'10" 225
chest 50
arms 19
waist 34

never had a bf% measurement

I dont have a goal bf or weight. I want to gain actual pounds and size while maintaining my waist size or decreasing. I'm sorry, but "shredded" was a poor choice of words on my part. I just meant hard and cut, I'm not expecting to look as if i just finished a T3/Clen cycle. But yeah, this thread has really become a waste of space and time. I'll just take before and after pics and let those do the talking. Peace.
Something doesn't add up. 50" chest with 19" arms and you only weigh 225? What are your legs little 27" sticks lol

Just kiddin ya But ya gotta admitt for only weighing 225lbs your arms and chest have GOT to be out of line with your legs.


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like i said, here comes the flack...thats the cycle i've chosen. I know most dont agree, but i've compiled it with the help of experienced lifters and AAS users (NOT on this board). It's expensive and very harsh on my body, but the results will speak for themselves, and after all thats what we're all here for. And I'll post pics/measurements to that effect.
 

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Something doesn't add up. 50" chest with 19" arms and you only weigh 225? What are your legs like 27" lol

Just kiddin ya


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actually my legs have always been pretty big, but not by pro bodybuilding standards. The first time i stepped on a leg press back in high school i put up 700 lbs, and i usually go aound 1100 for reps now. I'll take a measurement for you if you'd like. In fact they are what prevent me from buying the designer jeans i like. My waist is fine but i can never get my legs in the damn holes.
 

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i almost forgot, the most important thing...my diet. I eat a total of 6-8 times a day, usually 3 meals of sushi (1 roll per sitting) that are about 500 calories each, 3 instone puddings (100 calories each), and 2 nitrotech shakes (200 calories each). I'm going to try to eat some more lean protein while on this cycle, but my calories shoulnt exceed 3000
 
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No flack and I agree you WILL have good results.

I jjust don't understand why make life so complicated, your cycle so expensive and harder on your body for the EXACT same results you would get off a basic cycle. Also where do you go from here if you want to continue over the next couple of years? By the time you reach 30 your cycles will resemble that of a pro bodybuilder and will cost you 2 grand for a 12 weeker.

By any chance these experienced lifters are friends of your source? Wouldn't be the first time this happened.

I will wish you all the best with your cycle and know you will do well.

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No flack and I agree you WILL have good results.

I jjust don't understand why make life so complicated, your cycle so expensive and harder on your body for the EXACT same results you would get off a basic cycle. Also where do you go from here if you want to continue over the next couple of years? By the time you reach 30 your cycles will resemble that of a pro bodybuilder and will cost you 2 grand for a 12 weeker.

By any chance these experienced lifters are friends of your source? Wouldn't be the first time this happened.

I will wish you all the best with your cycle and know you will do well.

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thanks man...and what i actually did was i used a source that was a friend of a friend, but i got all my information from guys that thought i had no intention of buying or using AAS. I'll admit, until recently i was a major hater of AAS, largely because i was frustrated after so many years of natural lifting and watching these morons in the gym that take like 5 minutes between sets to rest, work out 2 days a week, eat garbage, and still have good physiques. I came to the realization that i will still keep my diet as clean as ever and not use AAS as a crutch, and i will be able to blow through my plateaus. As far as my future cycles, you are absolutely right. I might have dug myself a bit of a hole here, but i just wanted this to be a solid bulk that i can maintain within 10 lbs or so of the end weight with a less complicated future cycle. Thanks for the kind words of encouragement.

By the way, i like your sig. you might even be undershooting a little there lol
 
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Damn...you're a big boy then :eek:

Got any pics?
 

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Damn...you're a big boy then :eek:

Got any pics?
i'll have some after this weekend. I'll be at the beach and i'll have the gf take some pics hopefully i can get a little color before the pics...being pale is my pet peeve.

That's mainly why i wanted to avoid the bloat as much as possible, cus if i didnt use arimidex, ephedrine, or hardening compunds like winny and ate 5000 or so cals a day i'd surely be close to 260 by the end of the cycle and i'd look a little silly (IMO - some feel the bigger the better). I mean i'm not trying to compete, at least not yet, and i want to be able to wear the clothes i like and stuff.
 
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Well...there "ain't nutting wrong" with being freaky big :D
 

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Well...there "ain't nutting wrong" with being freaky big :D
haha yeah you're right bro, it's just not my style really. I mean i've always been the big kid, but now as i get more serious about bodybuilding i've learned that largely, size is the name of the game. I'll see where this cycle leaves me at and go from there. If I can gain an inch on my chest and half an inch on my arms while maintaining of decreasing my waist size, i'll be happy.
 
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Good luck Guido and keep us up to date. BTW about those guys in your gym who eat like crap but gain fast on AS yep it is true BUT with you eating better and working out the right way your gains should be better and last longer when you are off the AS.

So go get em and you have a great attitude. We came at ya pretty hard and you stuck it out with what your ideas are. I have seen this happen for YEARS on these boards and the guys with your attitude are the ones who do the best and make the best gains.


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Good luck Guido and keep us up to date. BTW about those guys in your gym who eat like crap but gain fast on AS yep it is true BUT with you eating better and working out the right way your gains should be better and last longer when you are off the AS.

So go get em and you have a great attitude. We came at ya pretty hard and you stuck it out with what your ideas are. I have seen this happen for YEARS on these boards and the guys with your attitude are the ones who do the best and make the best gains.


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Thanks so much man. Despite my crazy work schedule I'm very determined to achieve my goals and I make my diet and exercise regimen my number 1 priority. I'm on my way to lift right now, the 3rd full day of the cycle (I took my first Dbol friday night and shot the Deca and Sust Saturday morning). I'm not expecting to see any strength gains yet (duh) but I'm addicted to those Dianabol pumps. I'm starting to see why its so popular. Short half life, very potent, im sold! I'll keep you guys posted.
 

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Progress...

Well leave it to me to be a bonehead and NOT weigh myself on day 1 of the cycle (i know you're all scratching your heads). However, i did weigh myself on day 3 ( 2 days ago) and was 228.2 lbs. This morning, day 5, I am 229.6 lbs I'm just throwing these out there for you guys since at this point its mostly all water. Like i said before I dont care too much about the actual weight i put on, as long as my waist stays the same or gets smaller I'm happy, cus I know that after 12 weeks of this cycle i'll be nice and swole, and if the waist is still hoverin at 34 it's money.
 
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Well, if you keep a 34" waist, you're probably burning fat. You'd gain some on th waist b/c of the water otherwise.

Its horrible...I've put on 1.5" and I dunno how much is water and how much is fat :sad: I'll find out in the end. Maybe end it with some IGF-1, too :D hehehehe

Good luck on the cycle, bro. And get those pics...you've gotta be pretty big by the sounds of things.
 

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Well, if you keep a 34" waist, you're probably burning fat. You'd gain some on th waist b/c of the water otherwise.

Its horrible...I've put on 1.5" and I dunno how much is water and how much is fat :sad: I'll find out in the end. Maybe end it with some IGF-1, too :D hehehehe

Good luck on the cycle, bro. And get those pics...you've gotta be pretty big by the sounds of things.
Yea that bloating, esp around the waist really blows. But no free lunches in this game. I'm tryin my best to avoid that with a clean diet, cardio, arimidex, ephedrine, and maybe even some Nolva on cycle.

And I'll get those pics up after the weekend. Startin to get some color, so i can stand looking at them lol.
 

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well I didnt get to take any pics this weekend, at least no 'bodybuilding' pics, but this is only a few weeks old (sorry for bad quality). I'm about 225 in this pic, which is the same weight i started this current cycle at. As far as lagging bodyparts, my traps look decent from behind and the side, but from the front they're not as high as i'd like them. I"ve always done lots of heavy shrugs and upright rows, and very heavy rows for back training, but i've never done deadlifts consistently so that might be part of it, but likely it's just genetics. Also, I've been blessed with a flat stomach, but I'm still tryin to cut it up a bit. Other than that, I've always had big legs, shoulders, and arms, and my chest has come around nicely in the past year or so since I switched to a simple, heavy pressing routine with heavy weighted dips and just one or 2 cable movements for shaping. Oh and of course, my calves suck...people tell me otherwise, maybe im a bit too hard on myself, but since i'm aiming hi with my physique goals, i guess that never satisfied attitude can be good to a point.


Btw, day 10 of deca/dbol/sust, 231.8 lbs, up 3.6 lbs from day 3

starting on day 15 i'll drop the deca from 1200 to 600/week and the sust from ~1175 to 750-1000/week. The dbol is staying at 45 mg/day until day 28 when i stop it. Staring on day 43 (week 7) i'll incorporate 50 mg/day Winstrol and 500 mg/week Primobolan. As far as Arimidex goes, 0.25 mg/day unless the bloating gets real bad, then I'll up it to 0.5 mg/day.
 

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just wanted to bump the thread

Day 13: 232.6 lbs

Again, these weights mean nothing to me. I'm going by strength gains, waist size, and what is starin back at me in the mirror.

BTW, all these readings are taken on the same scale in the AM upon wakening right after I take my customary 10 minute morning piss.
 

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