An interesting cycle concept
- 03-12-2003, 01:28 AM
An interesting cycle concept
This cycle concept is from Doggcrapp, who frequents a few boards. I have read it, and it seems an interesting way to do longer cycles (16+ weeks) and reduce recovery time..what do you bros think?
What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this
time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you canít gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnít going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend Iíve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737
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- 03-12-2003, 01:33 AM
- 03-12-2003, 01:36 AM
03-12-2003, 01:37 AM
03-12-2003, 01:43 AM
I have read that part of the his post and I have my doubts about how well it would work. what I was wondering the most was how suppressed would you be when you finally did come off for a long period of time?
One other thing that kinda stuck me as funny for a lack of a better word was the clomid dosage, what was the reasoning on doing it graduate like that?
03-12-2003, 01:45 AM
Well, I'd like to see some feedback from some people who have tried it and see what it was like for them when they totally came off...
03-12-2003, 01:47 AM
LOL sounds like we need to do a good clinical study on that don't you think WYD? We could just be part of the experiment along with the others
03-12-2003, 01:48 AM
03-12-2003, 01:50 AM
03-12-2003, 02:06 AM
i'm doing this right now , whats important is the use of hcg , and anti estrogen while on a low testosterone dose for the 2 weeks in the middle , ie after 4 weeks . atleast keeping ur balls working and minimising estrogen (which is the main culprit in htpa **** up ) . and also , someone might say even a low dose will supress htpa , well , then ure welcome to stay on for ever and never use hcg , anti estrogen etc and use it only at the end when u dont even feel ur nuts anymore . .
he's not promising 100 % recovery , but its quite good , his theory .
03-12-2003, 08:13 AM
Thanks for the input Ray, I am probably going to try this, and see how it works. The theroy sounded interesting, I just wanted some other opinions before I attempted this experiment.
Whats your feeling on running ED or EOD injects of test prop and tren, then when you hit the "cruise" a single shot of test enth of say 250mg. Based in its response curve, it should peak by day 2 and slowly taper down thru the entire 2 weeks..hopefully allowing a greater degree of partial HTPA recovery as the levels get lower and lower thru the 2 weeks..just a thought.
03-12-2003, 08:40 AM
wardog::Whats your feeling on running ED or EOD injects of test prop and tren, then when you hit the "cruise" a single shot of test enth of say 250mg. Based in its response curve, it should peak by day 2 and slowly taper down thru the entire 2 weeks..hopefully allowing a greater degree of partial HTPA recovery as the levels get lower and lower thru the 2 weeks..just a thought.
raybravo:right now i am using 200 mg prop per week , using 100 mg once on monday and again 100 more on thursday .
yes , the half life of enanthate wud be better for the use though , but in case of hcg use and the lh spike becos of its use , dont think the kind of test wud matter .
and how i use hcg ? i buy 10000 iu , and shoot 3 shots , once evry 5 days , day i start my cruise , and 2 more shots making it 2 weeks .
03-12-2003, 08:48 PM
Thanks for the info bro, now you have me juiced up to try this out..damn..recovery takes just too long!!
Feb, March, then April....*sighs* So May 1 I will be ready to go!
03-13-2003, 01:29 AM
03-13-2003, 11:13 AM
hey zdoor , well , i started out with prop for along with slin , then cruised , now used prop and tren and am cruising for 2 weeks , next week i start a small cutting cycle ( the one i posted ) , and then after the cutting cycle i stay on for another 2 months or so , then come off with slin and igf-1 use and i'm pretty sure i'll be keeping most of my gains . so over all , i'm going to be on for over 6 months , but how long ure cycling doesnt mean anything , whats important is to have proper blood tests done regularly and if the values are fine , then ure good to go .
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