Bicep tear, bone tumor (benign)

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    Bicep tear, bone tumor (benign)


    I know it’s a long read but I would really appreciate any advice/experience on this.

    Background: Age – 23 - College - I’ve done 1 bulking cycle per year for 3 years now. I would consider my dosages and compounds low to normal in comparison to many. I try to be careful not to cross the line between wise use and abuse.

    1st – ICN Test E – 500mg/wk – 10 weeks
    2nd – 4 weeks Dbol (30mg), ICN 500mg/wk – 12 weeks
    3rd – 5 weeks Dbol (30mg), Iranian Test E 500mg/wk, BD Para 300mg/wk – 14 weeks

    I recently injured my bicep doing heavy one arm preacher curls (pretty bad on the bicep anyway – I tend to also overextend at the end really stretching it). I was about 6-7 weeks out from my last cycle. I really don’t feel I had fully recovered even though I did the absolute best PCT you can (clomid/nolva/ HCG jumpstart) not to mention some Lean Xtreme (possible anti-cortisol benefits). Tren seemed to shut me down harder than previous cycles. I also noticed significantly more testicle atrophy this time around. The results were fantastic though. I had also recently started and internship and was adjusting to new sleeping patterns, less food (bad timing), and general stress/being tired when getting home from 8-5 job. I was feeling very run down and tired in the evening workouts. I felt a sharp twitch/pain mid-rep in my second set of curls. The next day I could hardly hold anything in my left hand – even a gym bag hurt. I had always had a slight weakness feeling in that arm. When I overtrained I recall getting “weak? pulled type muscle feel in that arm multiple times previously. It would always go away after a week or so of resting that bicep. Anyway, It didn’t actually detach (luckily) it but the Orthopedic Doc thought I did indeed tear it based on some resistance movements and stuff he had me do. Upon preliminary X-ray we discovered an abnormality. I knew something was up because even I could see something wasn’t right on the X-ray. On the humerous (long arm bone) almost exactly under the bicep I had a lighter spot in the center of the bone. It was in a semi circular organic shape. Immediately the Doc called up CT scans and a Bone Scan to try and rule out malignant bone tumor. After a week of worrying he called and said that based on looking at them and the growth pattern he could tell it was Benign. The radiologist apparently felt the same way. No removal or biopsy was recommended. He said it appeared to be somewhat old and has probably already gone into remission (shouldn’t get bigger). He even said he thinks in a few years you could barely see it on an xray (wtf, just to make me feel better?). Anyway I feel I lucked out. Still he wants to keep an eye on it so I got back in Sept. for another X-ray to make sure its not getting bigger. If it did keep growing I assume it would have to be removed leading to a large section of arm bone being taken out. This would obviously be bad news. He said he highly doubts it, but who knows. He said there is no know cause for bone tumors but that they are more common than most know. Especially benign ones that never really cause a problem unless discovered by luck like in my case. They seem to effect people between the ages of 10-20 most. Its thought that they arise in areas of rapid growth. Some possible causes include random genetic mutation (nobody is safe) or trauma to the area. A friend of mine crushed his foot and later developed a benign bone tumor in that area.
    The Doc said take time off let the muscle heal but gave no specific time frame. Don’t you think 5-6 weeks would be adequate for a minor tear w/out detachment?

    I have little to NO history of cancer of any kind on either side of my family. I don’t smoke and the only drugs I’ve taken have been finasteride for about 1.5 years and non hormonal supplements (except two bottles of m4ohn) and of course the previously mentioned AAS. I don’t think steroids have anything to do with it since there is absolutely no scientific evidence that AAS “cause? cancer. I do wonder if I my use could have caused it to grow faster. I would assume that being on AAS could possibly accelerate cancer growth that has developed, especially bone. I also wonder if in light of this I should use anything until it’s quite clear that the tumor is not progressing and/or is completely gone or very small. Not quite sure how these things work.

    I’ve been out totally for about 5 weeks now. My diet has gone to ****; I’ve lost probably 10lb. For a while I wasn’t eating much at all. I was very stressed for a while - I tend to be a worrier. I was REALLY wanting to jump on 5-6 weeks of Tbol not only to see what all the hype is about but to get going again and start gaining back some of what I lost. I feel deflated, lethargic and sloppy after being out of the loop so long. I wonder if this would be a bad idea. Anyone have any info/experience/advice on this? How long should I stay away from direct bicep work? What do you think about the bone tumor? Anyone with medical experience/background would be greatly appreciated.
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    I wouldn't worry about it if the doc says it benign, they usually are very careful with statements like that.
    It is known that some tumors "burn out" and die later on.

    As for steroids making it grow, i don't know about that, simply because tumors grow by dividing it's cells, and steroids don't create new cells.(GH Does)
    However i don't know if upregulated protein synthesis would make a tumor grow faster?

    I feel like i should know this stuff, since i had a malignant tumor myself about 5 years ago.

    Hope somebody else can help you better.

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    HEHEHE, glad to hear that im not alone! It's hard to come to grips that guys our age actually get this ****, you aren't alone man. I began to have excrutiating night pain 3 years ago. After the third DR. told me that there was nothing wrong I just decided that I was being a puss and delt with it. Between then and january of last year i did 4 relativly mild cycles (EQ, 1AD, 1,4AD) and began playing Rugby for my school. After a good shot in a rugby game last January My leg/ankle finally gave way and simply broke. This time around I went to Mayo and sure enough they told me I had a large cancer in my bone and would most likely lose my leg. I know exactly what you went though, It's hard for a 21yr athlete to come to grips with this. About 4 weeks later after several tests and biopsys they found out that I was the first guy recorded at Mayo to have 3 benign osteo ostomas along with the largest single tumor growth that the othopedic oncologist had ever seen. Now it is impossible for me to say that the AAS caused the tumors to grow, as the Dr. also seemed stunned that I had ignored the pain and maintained activity with the tumor for 3 yrs (Osteo Ostomas grow like cancer, just easier to kill). Now after 6 months, 8 days in hospital, 2 surgeries, 1 infection, and one pickline later, my ankle/leg can finally quazi-function. Unfortunatly as soon as I resumed training I developed chronic epididymitis. They are going to stick a camera up my penis next month to check for kidney and bladder problem, but if nothing correctible is found my athletic career is over and Im left with sore, swollen nuts, and a gimpy leg. Sorry I didn't mean to have a pity party but as Im sure you understand it's been a rough couple months.

    I may be totally wrong about this but AAS is only active in muscle tissue unlike GH and IGF which are active in all tissues including bone. Therefore it seems to me that AAS wouldn't effect a bone tumor. Yet this is just my reasoning and I hope somebody can chime in with a definitive answer. May want to spend an afternoon on pubmed.

    Lastly I've found that cissus/celedrin was an excellent help in controling the pain from Tumors. I also began an IP6 regimen as it has been shown to inhibit growth of and even shrink tumors.

    I lost 20lbs since my ordeal started so once again I feel your pain man. Stay strong and remeber that there are other things more important than being a beast... or so I hear.
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