Any joint healing with 19nor ph ?

[Rad83]

Would any of the 19nor dhea ph’s have any joint healing effects?

(...Shoulders are aching, been doing every recovery thing possible except bpc or cortisone...Have taken months of heavy pressing etc.)

Thanks all

 

[bradleyt1]

I ran one a long time ago but don’t recall if it helped joints like deca does.. I know that 19-nor dhea converts to 19-nor diol and 19-nor Dione which can them both convert to nandrolone aka Deca. However fusion supplements recently came out with Decalone which contains the direct precursor 19-nor diol, so it is only one step direct conversion to deca. It’s also bonded to a cyclodextrin molecule so your going to get much much more actual Deca in your system.. I’m tempted to order this as it would go great with already being on TRT and would like some joint strengthening as well as muscle gains added to TRT

 

[Nac]

Would any of the 19nor dhea ph’s have any joint healing effects?

(...Shoulders are aching, been doing every recovery thing possible except bpc or cortisone...Have taken months of heavy pressing etc.)

Thanks all

I have never noticed any joint or tendon healing even with 19nor AAS. Seems this phenomenon is both individual and type dependant. My assumption is that joint/connective tissue ailments can be quite complex, and many "injuries" require more specialised treatment or remedies.

 

[jim2509]

Would any of the 19nor dhea ph’s have any joint healing effects?

(...Shoulders are aching, been doing every recovery thing possible except bpc or cortisone...Have taken months of heavy pressing etc.)

Thanks all

This is an interesting question as its being marketed by some providers as helpful for healing joints.

If there was the slightist evidence it does i would be all over it immediately. I looked at Mk677 but too many questions on long term safety and messing with blood sugars etc.

 

[Rad83]

This is an interesting question as its being marketed by some providers as helpful for healing joints.

If there was the slightist evidence it does i would be all over it immediately. I looked at Mk677 but too many questions on long term safety and messing with blood sugars etc.

Exactly why I haven’t messed with that Mk either...

 

[Smont]

The answer is no.

 

[Bolex]

I'm at week 4 with 375mg/day and not much joint improvement in my shoulder or wrist

 

[Alchemist11]

EQ has high afinity for collagen synthesis, Anavar also. One the other side, Bpc-157 also improves that.

 

[Old Witch]

Bpc157 and tb500 are what heal joints. Injectable Deca is so wet you'll gain synovial fluid, and that helps joints feel better. But it doesn't heal them.

GH can also speed up recovery time by double.

 

[Old Witch]

bradley - what's your take on how "bad" PH are for yuor body when compared to the negative side effects of regular anabolic steroids... i see a lot of differeing opinions on this -and it seems to be site dependent

Prohormones are just (legal) steroids that metabolize (very minorly) into other (illegal) steroids.

All steroids are different and have their own set of negatives. The idea PHs are safer comes from 1-AD, which is a direct PH to 1-Test (DHB) and is literally THE safest steroid or PH.

 

[Shiznitzz]

If it converts into enough deca then itll promote pain relief from fluid retention in the joints...but it won't really promote healing.

Gh would be your better bet for joint healing.

 

[Rad83]

Has anyone had experience with bpc157 ? I see narrows has it...What would I need to pin it?

 

[bradleyt1]

bradley - what's your take on how "bad" PH are for yuor body when compared to the negative side effects of regular anabolic steroids... i see a lot of differeing opinions on this -and it seems to be site dependent

I think prohormones were something I was interested when first getting into this bodybuilding game and not having a clue about real gear. I mean they were marketed and sold as over the counter supplements so most of the time was younger lifters most likely having never injected who were interested in taking it to the next level over night. As compared to injectable gear.. I think injectable test is your safest bet. It’s hormone that already is produced in our bodies and we can gradually take it over the top with great results and minimal sides.. however I have ran fusion supplements Androtest which is actual real 4-AD or 4-androstenediol.. I mustn’t have done so many posts on this compound already.. any way, it is a ONE step precursor to testosterone not the new 4-ad crap that is 4-dhea. Which I truly believe doesn’t convert to test even in two steps. But still injectable testosterone will work so much better than the precursor because it’s already the active hormone and it’s not oral.. much healthier on your body and you can’t argue that. I personally don’t think I will ever touch orals again. Don’t like the idea of blowing up over 4 weeks if I know I can’t keep it.

 

[bradleyt1]

I think prohormones were something I was interested when first getting into this bodybuilding game and not having a clue about real gear. I mean they were marketed and sold as over the counter supplements so most of the time was younger lifters most likely having never injected who were interested in taking it to the next level over night. As compared to injectable gear.. I think injectable test is your safest bet. It’s hormone that already is produced in our bodies and we can gradually take it over the top with great results and minimal sides.. however I have ran fusion supplements Androtest which is actual real 4-AD or 4-androstenediol.. I mustn’t have done so many posts on this compound already.. any way, it is a ONE step precursor to testosterone not the new 4-ad crap that is 4-dhea. Which I truly believe doesn’t convert to test even in two steps. But still injectable testosterone will work so much better than the precursor because it’s already the active hormone and it’s not oral.. much healthier on your body and you can’t argue that. I personally don’t think I will ever touch orals again. Don’t like the idea of blowing up over 4 weeks if I know I can’t keep it.

Keep in mind I only do TRT and i feel that is the greatest decision I have made and feel my all time best

 

[Old Witch]

Has anyone had experience with bpc157 ? I see narrows has it...What would I need to pin it?

That just needs bac water, though the 0.6% acetic acid would work too I think. IGF need the acid

It's going to be a site injection as close to the injury as possible.

 

[Rad83]

Which of these 19nors is stronger? I’m curious about the different/multiple forms in the second product...

 

[Rad83]

Now I’m guessing the second is better with the different esters...