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Guys
I m planing my next cycle and i need help.
I want to cut down at around 500-700 calories at defizit.
I was thinking about anavar + primo + sup3r dhea for 8 weeks.
Think something else is better for cutting ?
Some ph?
Ment as test base ? ( tho its wet )

I welcome any suggestions, only rule is no injectables atm.
Money aint a problem, so please advise me to all the supps needed to make this ( or suggested) cycle safe as possible, i will slowly buy all the stuff u guys think is need
 
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Isn’t epi pretty good at cutting?

1 Andro as test base
 
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That’s what I meant. I get those 2 compound confused.
 
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MENT + Epi. Add low dose T3 or Clen and keep your carbs on the low side, you’ll see body comp changes that will astound you and won’t need anything else.
Are you ok with pinning?
 
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MENT + Epi. Add low dose T3 or Clen and keep your carbs on the low side, you’ll see body comp changes that will astound you and won’t need anything else.
Are you ok with pinning?
No pinning ( not possible atm ).
Td or oral ment and what dosis ?
And i gues a ai is need too for ment and maybe caber
 
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No pinning ( not possible atm ).
Td or oral ment and what dosis ?
And i gues a ai is need too for ment and maybe caber
Correct. It’s an advanced drug, but it sounds like you’ve got a handle on things knowing what you’ll need for it. Everyone talks about how “wet” Trest is. Honestly, for me, It leans me out like almost nothing else does. So long as my carbs are lowish and sodium is not excessive. Stack it with a nice DHT like Epi, and I assure you, you’ll not only lean out well if your diet is straight, but you’ll feel decent too. I love love loved Trest with DMZ/Msten. I was strong as hell and woke up every day leaner and leaner.
 
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Is epi+ment for 6 weeks fine ?
Ofc with tudca and other cycle support
 
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Correct. It’s an advanced drug, but it sounds like you’ve got a handle on things knowing what you’ll need for it. Everyone talks about how “wet” Trest is. Honestly, for me, It leans me out like almost nothing else does. So long as my carbs are lowish and sodium is not excessive. Stack it with a nice DHT like Epi, and I assure you, you’ll not only lean out well if your diet is straight, but you’ll feel decent too. I love love loved Trest with DMZ/Msten. I was strong as hell and woke up every day leaner and leaner.
Trest is amazing, feel soooo good on it
 
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Just a littel update.

Gona cut for few weeks more, then i m going to start my first "real" cycle, by that i mean i will pinn.
-500mg test e for 12 weeks ( pinning Mon,Thur)
With adex on hand as ai
-Pct clomid 25/nolva20 for 4 weeks, maybe more.
Bought the gear, the needles, etc , just want to drop more bodyfat.
Pics gona follow and most likley bloods.

Question is, should i add kickstarter ( dbol) or rather to use anavar for the last 6,8 weeks of the cycle ?
Since techincly this is my third cycle ( 1 sarm, 1oh before ).
 
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Just a littel update.

Gona cut for few weeks more, then i m going to start my first "real" cycle, by that i mean i will pinn.
-500mg test e for 12 weeks ( pinning Mon,Thur)
With adex on hand as ai
-Pct clomid 25/nolva20 for 4 weeks, maybe more.
Bought the gear, the needles, etc , just want to drop more bodyfat.
Pics gona follow and most likley bloods.

Question is, should i add kickstarter ( dbol) or rather to use anavar for the last 6,8 weeks of the cycle ?
Since techincly this is my third cycle ( 1 sarm, 1oh before ).
Did you ever start the cycle you were discussing here, in June?
 
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Yeah, you could do a Dbol kicker if you wanted to IMO.

I am a big fan of (legit) Anavar personally. But I've used both.

Partly depends on your specific goals.
 
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Yeah, you could do a Dbol kicker if you wanted to IMO.

I am a big fan of (legit) Anavar personally. But I've used both.

Partly depends on your specific goals.
I personaly prefer anavar by reading the profiles, its not wet and i personaly aint looking that much for size anyway.
Just unsure when to use anavar, first 6,8 weeks or last 6,8 weeks ?
And 6 or 8 weeks ? How hard is it on kidneys and lipids ?
Are there any supps for kidney support ?
Gona take cycle supp the whole cycle anyway
 
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I personaly prefer anavar by reading the profiles, its not wet and i personaly aint looking that much for size anyway.
Just unsure when to use anavar, first 6,8 weeks or last 6,8 weeks ?
And 6 or 8 weeks ? How hard is it on kidneys and lipids ?
Are there any supps for kidney support ?
Gona take cycle supp the whole cycle anyway
Do you have your cycle support yet? Arimacare Pro, and CEL Cycle Assist are excellent for multi-organ protection.

If you aren't going for size, I'd definitely use Anavar, personally.
In this case, I would run it the last 6-8 weeks. It can be a little rough on the lipids, but you'll be using cycle support, and its a temporary condition.

Looking forward to reading some other opinions as well.
 
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I'm primo you have the best steroid for cutting to preserve muscle, you have anavar.. You can argue winstrol but anavar is safer. If you only cut you won't put on that much muscle so that's really all you need
 
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Do you have your cycle support yet? Arimacare Pro, and CEL Cycle Assist are excellent for multi-organ protection.

If you aren't going for size, I'd definitely use Anavar, personally.
In this case, I would run it the last 6-8 weeks. It can be a little rough on the lipids, but you'll be using cycle support, and its a temporary condition.

Looking forward to reading some other opinions as well.
Used cel cycle assist before, but getting arimacare pro now, since its easier to get here where i m.
 

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Just a littel update.

Gona cut for few weeks more, then i m going to start my first "real" cycle, by that i mean i will pinn.
-500mg test e for 12 weeks ( pinning Mon,Thur)
With adex on hand as ai
-Pct clomid 25/nolva20 for 4 weeks, maybe more.
Bought the gear, the needles, etc , just want to drop more bodyfat.
Pics gona follow and most likley bloods.

Question is, should i add kickstarter ( dbol) or rather to use anavar for the last 6,8 weeks of the cycle ?
Since techincly this is my third cycle ( 1 sarm, 1oh before ).
Goood idea on dropping the body fat. Dbol will pack on the water weight, so what’s the goal? Body recomp or bulk.
 
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Goood idea on dropping the body fat. Dbol will pack on the water weight, so what’s the goal? Body recomp or bulk.
Goal is lean mass, slight caloric surplus ( +300 ).
 
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Goood idea on dropping the body fat. Dbol will pack on the water weight, so what’s the goal? Body recomp or bulk.
Goal is lean mass, slight caloric surplus ( +300 ).
 
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So littel update guys.
Been cutting since June ( when i started the thread ).

I started at 118,5kg ( 261lb), btw my height is 190cm ( 6,2 feet )
As of now, today, i m at 94kg (208lb).
I want to continue the cut till i m under 15 % body fat, i hope around 86kg (190lb).

Diat is 2k calories, and i had 5 reefed days in those almost 4 months.
Eating clean, 200g proteins, taking casein, whey, multivitamnis, zinc, vitamin d, fish oil, and a cup of coffe is my preworkout.

I m doing 3x a week full body workout, some programm i found on the web, focusing on the compound lifts and free weights.
My strenght is same ( benchpress is only a bit down, but was never my strong side ).
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Great job.. That's a huge improvement
 
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So littel update guys.
Been cutting since June ( when i started the thread ).

I started at 118,5kg ( 261lb), btw my height is 190cm ( 6,2 feet )
As of now, today, i m at 94kg (208lb).
I want to continue the cut till i m under 15 % body fat, i hope around 86kg (190lb).

Diat is 2k calories, and i had 5 reefed days in those almost 4 months.
Eating clean, 200g proteins, taking casein, whey, multivitamnis, zinc, vitamin d, fish oil, and a cup of coffe is my preworkout.

I m doing 3x a week full body workout, some programm i found on the web, focusing on the compound lifts and free weights.
My strenght is same ( benchpress is only a bit down, but was never my strong side ).
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Yeah great effort bro - awesome work.

I’m your height and when I first dropped a lot of weight I cut to 83kg but honestly I was so weak and didn’t look great. If I were to do it again I’d have stopped at around 90kg and tried to lean bulk for 3-6 months before cutting down again. Imo I lost a lot of muscle mass going from 90 to 83....

Just saying don’t fee like you can’t change plans if you think an alternative might work better.
 
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Didn't really notice any question by the way and I was more focused on the great effort regardless. I'd say if it works don't change it even if I agree with whiskey that something could work better.

I just feel this is something most people fail with and both of you have done some really dedicated work. Who cares if you get skinny? Thing is any bulk will be easier with low bodyfat so this change whiskey is talking about can still be done just not yet..

This is my personal opinion though and not by any means fact
 
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Tnx guys.
Yes, i will cut some more down, like said maybe to 86,85kg.
After that i can start clean bulk with gear, maybe ( everything is ready and gear is tested, got test e and anavar )
 
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Just a littel update.
Down to 92kg ( 202,8 lbs).
The weight loss slowed down a lot ofc, but i adjusted my calories, added green tea extract ( 667mg ecge daily ) and mpa vasoseven.
Also doing cardio 3x weekly but boosting my calories up on days i lift, so zigzaging.
Strenght is staying same/up on some lifts,so i m suprised there.
Few more pounds and i m gona maybe see my abs for the first time ever :)
 
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So guys i been reading, researching, thinking.

Insted of cutting naturally to 85,86kg i could run some compound.
Now i have read a lot of trest+epi combo.
But i also have anavar ready, and anavar is a cutting hormone anyway.

So maybe i should do 8 week cutting/recomping cycle of dermal trest as test base and 60mg anavar ?
And save the test e for next year bulk ?

Was thinking to keep a low caloric defizit, maybe -200 calories ?
Atm i m over -700 calories, i m at around 1900-2100 calories daily.

Plz some advice :)
 
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Bump !!

Any advices welcomed.
I got milion of ideas floating in my head, right now i was thinking going test e 12 weeks and anavar for first 8, but cutting the first 4,5 week then eating 200 calories above maintenance
 
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Bump !!

Any advices welcomed.
I got milion of ideas floating in my head, right now i was thinking going test e 12 weeks and anavar for first 8, but cutting the first 4,5 week then eating 200 calories above maintenance
I would run your test e for atleast 12 weeks, or longer. I would go 16. And throw in the Var at the end last 8 weeks, and stay in a small deficit.
 
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I would run your test e for atleast 12 weeks, or longer. I would go 16. And throw in the Var at the end last 8 weeks, and stay in a small deficit.
Tnx bro.
Atm i m around -500 ,700 in deficit.
Should keep it that till i add var or ?
 
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Tnx bro.
Atm i m around -500 ,700 in deficit.
Should keep it that till i add var or ?
I would, and just see how you go with it. Or you could go back to maintenance until you add the var.
 

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