Andros cycle log and support required

[Mzakif]

Hi AM Nation

After following your advise in previous posts I managed to get enough Andros to run 8weeks cycle
General details :
- Age 41 years old
- 4 years lifting continuously and Martial arts
- Body fat should be less than 14 % I’ll update that ASAP

(Not that doses are based on 1 bottle of Sparta nutrition Cerberus, 1 bottle Spartan hard , 3 bottles of Sup3r 4 elite , 2 bottles of Sparta nutrition the 1 and 2 bottles of Sup3r epi elite )

That’s why in some cases u will fine that I 1 andro dose went a bet high in conjunction with 4 andro and in Some cases 1 andro is high

I’ll run 1, 4 andro and epi with the following doses :
I’ll type beside of each dose tablets count and product
- 1st month (using Sup3r 4, Sparta the 1 and Sup3r epi elite )
- 1 andro Range from 345mg up to 460
- 4 andro Range from 330mg up to 440
- Epi Range from 1000mg up to 1250
- 2nd month(using Spartan hard, Sparta nutrition Cerberus , 60 tabs Sup3r 4 and 60 tabs Sup3r epi )
- 1 andro 455mg
- 4 andro 360 mg to 475
- Epi. 1250 to 1500

Cycle support:

- Arimidix will be available in hand as pharma grade AI
- arimcare pro

For pct :
- Sup3r pct plus
- Clomid

And I made pre cycle blood work and I’ll upload it to get advise

Reference tot reference ranges in blood work it sounds that every thing is ok to start but honestly I do not have knowledge in this matter so your support will be great.

Now the questions

1- I need advise on doses timing specially that I saw some people complain from being unable to sleep coz of epi
2- when should i start my PCT
3- how to keep libido on cycle and post cycle

 

[Mzakif]

 

[Mzakif]

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[Whisky]

Now the questions

1- I need advise on doses timing specially that I saw some people complain from being unable to sleep coz of epi
2- when should i start my PCT
3- how to keep libido on cycle and post cycle

Hey bro, cycle all looks good.

Question answers

1) split 1 and 4 andro roughly evenly in 2-3 doses through the day.

Epiandro didn’t give me sleep issues but I dosed most of it first thing and pwo. Personally I split the Cerberus into 3 doses throughout the day and the extra epiandro pwo.

2) start it the day after you take your last set of pills

3) haha, you can’t guarentee this. For many the 4-andro and epiandro is enough to keep libido - for me mine disappeared completely but I wasn’t that bothered (just meant the wife got a break).

 

[Mzakif]

Hey bro, cycle all looks good.

Question answers

1) split 1 and 4 andro roughly evenly in 2-3 doses through the day.

Epiandro didn’t give me sleep issues but I dosed most of it first thing and pwo. Personally I split the Cerberus into 3 doses throughout the day and the extra epiandro pwo.

2) start it the day after you take your last set of pills

3) haha, you can’t guarentee this. For many the 4-andro and epiandro is enough to keep libido - for me mine disappeared completely but I wasn’t that bothered (just meant the wife got a break).

Thanks bro
What’s about calories intake

Currently I’m a bit below maintenance
And my body fat is 9% according to fat caliper measurement

 

[user567]

Your E2 is low but could be the test itself.

One concern is your lipids. Not great, especially LDL. Andros will make this worse.

 

[Mzakif]

Your E2 is low but could be the test itself.

One concern is your lipids. Not great, especially LDL. Andros will make this worse.

Yeah I noticed that And I have been on intermittent fasting for a month now and doing steady State cardio fasted 5 to 6 times a week to lower lipids in addition ion to super clean diet.

Any advise during cycle in thins regards other than doing steady state cardio

Shall I take lipids lowering medication such as Lipitor ?

 

[Whisky]

Thanks bro
What’s about calories intake

Currently I’m a bit below maintenance
And my body fat is 9% according to fat caliper measurement

Calories depend on your goal. You can lean bulk, recomp or cut on this cycle....

Personally (at your bf) I’d lean bulk and eat about 300-400 above maintenance. You will gain minimal fat (if any) but should add some nice lean mass and strength should increase a fair bit.

 

[elo76]

1. Try to split the doses evenly throughout the day. Sleep issues can be common. Not only from the Epi-Andro, but just from your hormones being out of whack. I always have some terrible nights when starting PCT. It will all pass. Just keep with your doses, but as Whisky said, dose most of your EPI-Andro first thing and preworkout if possible. One thing that I do recommend is to be consistent. Don't make changes to your doses until you know how they affect you. Most of the initial sides people get....headaches...etc...go away within a few weeks. Drink at least a gallon of water a day.

2. Start PCT the day after your last dose as others have said.

3. As far as libido. Mine was crap during my andro cycle. I think alot of it was mental because of all the talk. The mind is a powerful thing. I picked up some Cialis, doesn't help with libido but did add some confidence in the bedroom.

How are you dosing your clomid?

 

[Mzakif]

1. Try to split the doses evenly throughout the day. Sleep issues can be common. Not only from the Epi-Andro, but just from your hormones being out of whack. I always have some terrible nights when starting PCT. It will all pass. Just keep with your doses, but as Whisky said, dose most of your EPI-Andro first thing and preworkout if possible. One thing that I do recommend is to be consistent. Don't make changes to your doses until you know how they affect you. Most of the initial sides people get....headaches...etc...go away within a few weeks. Drink at least a gallon of water a day.

2. Start PCT the day after your last dose as others have said.

3. As far as libido. Mine was crap during my andro cycle. I think alot of it was mental because of all the talk. The mind is a powerful thing. I picked up some Cialis, doesn't help with libido but did add some confidence in the bedroom.

How are you dosing your clomid?

Thanks allot buddy

I’ll split them as advised and will consider epi doses timing specially that most of the time I’ll train 1st thing the morning

Regarding changing doses I’ll consider that And I’ll start with lower doses as much as possible

1st month I’ll take Lower doses and see how things go although controlling doses isn’t very easy as I had to use several products to reach minimum effective dose.


Regarding libido I’ll keep cialis And viagra in hand and hopefully wifey won’t be mad

Also I hope that keeping 4 andro higher and high EPI dose would overcome that

I can’t recall clomid dosing now as I had it from another post here and I can’t find it now

But I believe clomid should be best option as I’m 41 years old now

I’ll appreciate your input on clomid dosing

also if you can advise regarding controlling lipids as mine are high already

I was thinking of using Lipitor 40 once a day as I used to use it 5 years ago before lifting.

Thanks again

 

[21marine]

I am on my last 5 days of a 1 Ando and epiandro run at 300/650 and am very happy with the results. All major lifts went up, my overall weight stayed the same but I lost a significant amount of body fat and put on some decent size.

 

[21marine]

Forgot to mention I had some anxiety and headaches the first week and a tiny Spike in blood pressure. After the first 10 days all of that subsided. Around week 5 my libido tanked, the equipment still worked fine just didn't have the urge lol.

 

[Whisky]

Forgot to mention I had some anxiety and headaches the first week and a tiny Spike in blood pressure. After the first 10 days all of that subsided. Around week 5 my libido tanked, the equipment still worked fine just didn't have the urge lol.

Yep, exactly the same. Odd headache (nothing that concerned me), I increased Hawthorne berry for the small spike in bp, all settled down early on.

Clomid is simple - 25/25/25/12.5 would see you right

 

[elo76]

Thanks allot buddy

I’ll split them as advised and will consider epi doses timing specially that most of the time I’ll train 1st thing the morning

Regarding changing doses I’ll consider that And I’ll start with lower doses as much as possible

1st month I’ll take Lower doses and see how things go although controlling doses isn’t very easy as I had to use several products to reach minimum effective dose.


Regarding libido I’ll keep cialis And viagra in hand and hopefully wifey won’t be mad

Also I hope that keeping 4 andro higher and high EPI dose would overcome that

I can’t recall clomid dosing now as I had it from another post here and I can’t find it now

But I believe clomid should be best option as I’m 41 years old now

I’ll appreciate your input on clomid dosing

also if you can advise regarding controlling lipids as mine are high already

I was thinking of using Lipitor 40 once a day as I used to use it 5 years ago before lifting.

Thanks again

I wouldn't take lower doses. Just run it at a minimum of 330/330/1000 for the whole run. Andros take a while to kick in with the exception of EPI Andro which seems to be instant. Over 5 weeks on the others for me. So start your doses where you wanna be at. That's my opinion.

Whisky got you covered on the clomid. I'm 41 and do 5 weeks of 25. Lower and longer is the current trend now.

 

[Mzakif]

I am on my last 5 days of a 1 Ando and epiandro run at 300/650 and am very happy with the results. All major lifts went up, my overall weight stayed the same but I lost a significant amount of body fat and put on some decent size.

That’s great news

U have been. On 1 andro and epi only the whole cycle

What did u use for cycle support Ana what u r going to use for PCT

I hope that 4 andro would minimize the possibility of libido getting tanked

 

[Mzakif]

I wouldn't take lower doses. Just run it at a minimum of 330/330/1000 for the whole run. Andros take a while to kick in with the exception of EPI Andro which seems to be instant. Over 5 weeks on the others for me. So start your doses where you wanna be at. That's my opinion.

Whisky got you covered on the clomid. I'm 41 and do 5 weeks of 25. Lower and longer is the current trend now.

Thanks man
Will extend pct cycle

Do you have any idea regarding lipids control as mine is high already ?

 

[21marine]

That’s great news

U have been. On 1 andro and epi only the whole cycle

What did u use for cycle support Ana what u r going to use for PCT

I hope that 4 andro would minimize the possibility of libido getting tanked

For on cycle support I used CEL cycle assist and for PCT I am going to use clomid.

 

[Mzakif]

For on cycle support I used CEL cycle assist and for PCT I am going to use clomid.

Thanks And good luck

 

[hairygrandpa]

I'm not versed in andros, good luck!

 

[elo76]

Thanks man
Will extend pct cycle

Do you have any idea regarding lipids control as mine is high already ?

I would add in 1.2g more of RYR and take at least 6g of fish oil daily on top of your Ar1macare if it was me.

 

[Mzakif]

Hey bro, cycle all looks good.

Question answers

1) split 1 and 4 andro roughly evenly in 2-3 doses through the day.

Epiandro didn’t give me sleep issues but I dosed most of it first thing and pwo. Personally I split the Cerberus into 3 doses throughout the day and the extra epiandro pwo.

2) start it the day after you take your last set of pills

3) haha, you can’t guarentee this. For many the 4-andro and epiandro is enough to keep libido - for me mine disappeared completely but I wasn’t that bothered (just meant the wife got a break).

If I’m going to does epi in range of 1250

I’ll train in the morning , how should I split the does

750mg pre workout and 500mg 3pm ?

 

[Whisky]

If I’m going to does epi in range of 1250

I’ll train in the morning , how should I split the does

750mg pre workout and 500mg 3pm ?

That would work but you could also dose the lot pwo bro

 

[Mzakif]

As per my cycle log i didn’t run all compounds at lower doses

I’ll continue the remaking 10 days of 1st month on:
330mg 4andro
345mg 1andro
1000mg Epi

2nd month doses will be higher:

570mg 1andro
585mg. 4 andro
1750mg Epi

Reason go doing this I that I want to use all what I have and I’m thinks that as they would start to kick in in 3rd or 4th week it’s time to push further.

So far no sides at all ,Any inputs on this.