DMZ and Trest

[Seanm513]

What's up guy? Bout to run DMZ with trest as my test base. I have some 4 andro too.
Should I take 4 ando with it? Using Armicare pro for support.
Dmz 30/30/30/30/30/30
Trest 0/0/40/40/40/40

 

[Fiddy17]

oral or TD trest?

I'd go higher at 75 preworkout if oral. It gives incredible energy, pump and focus.

Don't forget your on cycle support and don't go longer than 6 weeks with DMZ

 

[Sam stack]

Save your 4andro. Get a better estrogen blocker. Trest is very strong. Something like letro

 

[Sam stack]

Also get tudaca for dmz

 

[AnabolicGuru]

I’d get a real aromatize inhibitor like sam said. Arimidex or aromasin will be plenty; letro might be hard to dial in tbh.

 

[Seanm513]

I got extra tudca 250mg so that 450mg of tudca. Don't know where to get armidex. I know we aren't suppose to source, but can someone pm me

 

[Seanm513]

Oral trest medifit

 

[Seanm513]

Found letrone though

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Found letrone though

Letrone is over the counter. It wont be enough for trest imo.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

I got extra tudca 250mg so that 450mg of tudca. Don't know where to get armidex. I know we aren't suppose to source, but can someone pm me

MaResearchChems is a board sponsor here and they should have some. I haven’t tried them personally, but all the reviews are good that I’ve seen.

 

[Seanm513]

I meant letrozole my bad

 

[Seanm513]

So exemstane? How should I dose that.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

So exemstane? How should I dose that.

A good starting dose would be 6.25mg eod and adjust from there.

 

[Arnold_strong]

I am considering the same 4 week cycle

Let us know how it works

 

[Renew1]

I am considering the same 4 week cycle

Let us know how it works

I've done a similar cycle.

I'm personally very impressed with DMZ.

 

[Seanm513]

Should I do a log?

 

[Seanm513]

A good starting dose would be 6.25mg eod and adjust from there.

Gotta get blood work then huh

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Gotta get blood work then huh

You should be able to tell if you need more or less from symptoms. Puffy face, bloating, moodiness, gyno symptoms etc

 

[Seanm513]

Ok so if nipple start getting sensitive take more. Thanks brodie

 

[Seanm513]

Anabolic guru so aromasin on the cycle and clomid for post?

 

[RickyBlobby]

Anabolic guru so aromasin on the cycle and clomid for post?

Yes, aromasin on cycle. I always had great results with formestane and trest, that would be my go to AI. In my experience clomid on cycle helps fight suppression so if you don't get negative sides from clomid it may be wise to run on cycle at 25mg/ day. Trest is very suppressive though, so I'm not sure how much the clomid would actually help with this cycle.

My .02

 

[Seanm513]

Yes, aromasin on cycle. I always had great results with formestane and trest, that would be my go to AI. In my experience clomid on cycle helps fight suppression so if you don't get negative sides from clomid it may be wise to run on cycle at 25mg/ day. Trest is very suppressive though, so I'm not sure how much the clomid would actually help with this cycle.

My .02

Ok might just do the clomid post only then. Do you think I need a natty test booster with pct?

 

[Arnold_strong]

Aspartic acid for sure
And a natty test booster

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Ok might just do the clomid post only then. Do you think I need a natty test booster with pct?

Nope, clomid will be enough. You can add an otc pct if you want, but it’s not a necessity.

 

[Sam stack]

Clomid and nolva plus a natty test booster and extra base supplements like phosphatic acid and vector if you want to go hard

 

[RickyBlobby]

Ok might just do the clomid post only then. Do you think I need a natty test booster with pct?

Normally I would say clomid is sufficient, but with trest running a natty PCT alongside clomid wouldn't be a bad idea. Like sup3r PCT from Olympus labs or something similar.

 

[Seanm513]

A good starting dose would be 6.25mg eod and adjust from there.

I got armidex is it the same dose?

 

[AnabolicGuru]

I got armidex is it the same dose?

Arimidex would be around .25-.5mg eod as a starting dose

 

[Matthersby]

Sorry to be the buzzkill, but how old are you? Goals for the cycle? Cycle history? Seems like two of the stronger grey market compounds available to be using with Arimicare on hand only and no pct mention.

 

[dvw]

Take low dose nolvadex every other day. It's damn near a must have when on trestolone. Aromasin on hand is good. I personally don't use it unless I see nipple puffyness or extreme water retention.

 

[dvw]

You could gain 20lbs from dmz/trest if you eat right.

 

[Seanm513]

Sorry to be the buzzkill, but how old are you? Goals for the cycle? Cycle history? Seems like two of the stronger grey market compounds available to be using with Arimicare on hand only and no pct mention.

Anastazole and clomid. And 27

 

[Seanm513]

Take low dose nolvadex every other day. It's damn near a must have when on trestolone. Aromasin on hand is good. I personally don't use it unless I see nipple puffyness or extreme water retention.

I have armidex do I need nolva too? I thought that was a serm

 

[Matthersby]

I have armidex do I need nolva too? I thought that was a serm

It attaches to breast tissue since aromatase inhibition does next to nothingbfor Trestolone. Raloxifene works even better in my opinion with just a smidge of Prami in the evening.

 

[Seanm513]

Arimidex would be around .25-.5mg eod as a starting dose

And I just adjust?

 

[Seanm513]

Arimidex would be around .25-.5mg eod as a starting dose

How long should I keep it .5 eod?

 

[Sam stack]

I’m curious of the same thing. For a 15 week cycle, how many bottles of Arimidex/aromasin and maybe letro should I buy

 

[Matthersby]

It’s not gonna do dyck for Trest so dosage isn’t gonna matter all that much.

 

[Seanm513]

It’s not gonna do dyck for Trest so dosage isn’t gonna matter all that much.

So do I take both? Or just nolva

 

[dvw]

Id take nolva every other day. If you feel or see estrogen side effects, then take nolva every day with the aromasin every day.

 

[Old Witch]

Don't forget about cabergoline.

 

[Matthersby]

I definitely, as stated earlier, recommend you do have caber or Prami on hand. I recently desperately needed Prami and glad I had in my little bag of AAS. Better to just run .1-.25 every night alongside your Serm.

Remember, just about 75% of us that have ran Trest have had very very little success with AI use alongside. Therefore, my go-to always ends up Ralox or Nolva and low dose dopamine agonist(Prami/caber)

 

[Brienn8989]

You going to be logging this? Just started a dmz/Andro stack, the trest just seemed to be a pain in the ass so I went with the andros instead.

 

[hairygrandpa]

It attaches to breast tissue since aromatase inhibition does next to nothingbfor Trestolone. Raloxifene works even better in my opinion with just a smidge of Prami in the evening.

AI's are almost useless. From my experience, the nipple trouble is directly progesterone/progestin and prolactin related.
Caber/Prami does the trick. AI only to curb aromatease of testosterone, if stacked with trest.
There is a pathway how progesterone converts to estrogen, here a serm could be useful -but I'm not convinced.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Trest is a strange -and dangerous animal.

 

[hairygrandpa]

We know that trest ups progesterone, here the illustration to show that it can convert to estrogen, besides the methyl estrogen trest converts to.
For both processes an AI does nothing, as its not by aromatease an AI would affect. This, in theory would make a serm useful, like ralox.

 

[Matthersby]

We know that trest ups progesterone, here the illustration to show that it can convert to estrogen, besides the methyl estrogen trest converts to.
For both processes an AI does nothing, as its not by aromatease an AI would affect. This, in theory would make a serm useful, like ralox.

And as I have tried every method one can try alongside Trestolone and have found only 3 things useful to control its treacherous m-estrogen conversion.

1: Ralox>Nolva
2: dopamine agonist
3: DHT
In my opinion #1 must stay present but the other two either help in addition or can be used short term in the brief absence of SERM.
I have not tried mast or proviron but am sure they would be helpful short term as stated in #3.

But I’ve gone WEEKS with zero AI on Trest while using Raloxifene on high doses, also with Dienolone, and without a second thought.

While originally wrestling with Trest back in 2015 and only using AI, I remember using utterly absurd amounts with no changes in gyno formation.

 

[Renew1]

And as I have tried every method one can try alongside Trestolone and have found only 3 things useful to control its treacherous m-estrogen conversion.

1: Ralox>Nolva
2: dopamine agonist
3: DHT
In my opinion #1 must stay present but the other two either help in addition or can be used short term in the brief absence of SERM.
I have not tried mast or proviron but am sure they would be helpful short term as stated in #3.

But I’ve gone WEEKS with zero AI on Trest while using Raloxifene on high doses, also with Dienolone, and without a second thought.

While originally wrestling with Trest back in 2015 and only using AI, I remember using utterly absurd amounts with no changes in gyno formation.

Thanks for the info, you guys.

 

[Seanm513]

Should I use ralox and clom together or is ralox good. I'm already on clomid

 

[hairygrandpa]

Should I use ralox and clom together or is ralox good. I'm already on clomid

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Anyone suggested clomid? Why clomid?