Is it possible that applying too much dermacrine can cause lethargy?
Don't know. I've gone up to 6pumps a day no problemsIs it possible that applying too much dermacrine can cause lethargy?
Some of us can experience some pretty heavy sides from Epistane.Just wondering because I have been using 6 pumps along with 45mg of epistane for almost 2 weeks and experiencing pretty bad lethargy.
I didn't feel like this until my 6th week of DMZ.
I didn't think that the epi would give me lethargy that quickly. If it is, then the dermacrine isn't helping. I have since added in some 4-Andro at 330 starting on Saturday with no change. I'm expecting it to take days for the 4-Andro to kick in. I'm still running the Dermacrine, but backed it down to 3 pumps starting today.
Do you ask about the alcohol/tylenol because of liver stress?Yeah 2 weeks in is pretty early for epi lethargy. Have you been drinking a lot of alcohol? Or taking any meds containing Tylenol?
Dermacrine should actually help with lethargy.Do you ask about the alcohol/tylenol because of liver stress?
I had like 8 beers this Saturday and about the same the week before.
Maybe too much beer is the culprit?
Lol....Maybe that's why I'm feeling better today. Gonna lay off the booze and see what happens.Yes alcohol or tylenol plus a fairly strong oral like epistane could definitely cause liver stress, and make you lethargic. Why do you think I'm so tired today, lol.
I'm getting a good 8hrs and getting a min of a gallon a day of water.8 beers is more than likely the culprit. How is your sleep activity and hydration?
Sorry, cant really advise, since I'm not familiar with those compounds.Lol....Maybe that's why I'm feeling better today. Gonna lay off the booze and see what happens.
Would you recommend sticking with the 4-Andro/Dermacrine combo for the rest of my run? Still have 4 weeks to go. Currently running the 4@330 and Derma@3 pumps. Down from 6. May bump it back up to 5 since I'm 232lbs.
Forgot to add that I'm running TUDCA@750 and NAC@1200. Going to bump the TUDCA to 1000 for the remainder and throughout PCT.
I'm getting a good 8hrs and getting a min of a gallon a day of water.
IconicForm can offer more insight on this.Lol....Maybe that's why I'm feeling better today. Gonna lay off the booze and see what happens.
Would you recommend sticking with the 4-Andro/Dermacrine combo for the rest of my run? Still have 4 weeks to go. Currently running the 4@330 and Derma@3 pumps. Down from 6. May bump it back up to 5 since I'm 232lbs.
I was at 750 and have since moved to 1000 since yesterday.Tudca dosage? Up your dosage whatever it currently is
It's been since Saturday since I drank. Sunday...lethargic as hell!!! The last few days haven't been too bad. Gonna drop the booze on the weekend and see.Drop the alcohol on cycle man. Not doing anything for you and guarantee that’s the issue If not 90% of it.
I could be wrong though and maybe epi just doesn’t agree with you.
And I thought this was mild compared to others. I seem to be slightly better with 330 of 4-Andro and 6 pumps of Dermacrine.Epistane sux ... Fking liver toxic compound and shut u down hard. Dunno if dermacrime is enought to combat the lethargy caused by zero testosterone and the stress on the liver(this also cause lethargy)
And I thought this epistane run was gonna be a walk in the park since it's so highly recommended as a beginner cycle. Give me dmz or msten over this any day...lol.You are shutdown, have no e2 and no dht. Pretty simple Dermacrine converts to test at a really small rate. The ones that feel good on it on a cycle that shuts you down just baffle me beyond belief.
My experience with 4ad is quite fresh: a couple of weeks ago started an andro cycle that also contained 330mg's 4ad. It was not enough by far. My e2 was below the lab's range. Felt like chit. Get a lot more 4ad or just pin some test, it's what I did.
+1Trest is a strong enough androgen. You don't need to add a DHT to it in my opinion.
Just staying under the wife's radar. I can get TD test prop 125mg/ml. Too late for this run though. She questions certain things due to the label but dermatrest she doesnt.+1
Why no test though? Trest is a harsh drug. If you don't like to pin get some transdermal test in a patch.
I'm just curious as to why you say that?Also I trust UGL's a lot more then supp's companies.
Have you used Trest? I've been using it at 50mg in the morning. Today is Day 3 and everything seems to be going better. I did jump start it with the 2 x 25mg of oral Trest the first day though.Well I would much rather use TD test then trest as a test base. In fact I would never run trest at all. It just arometises like crazy. Much rather take dbol. Also I trust UGL's a lot more then supp's companies.
For lot's of reasons. The most important being that supp companies can't be trusted with the content of the product. Did you see the report of the investigation they did in 2017? They bought 50 supp's from different companies that allegedly contained sarms. The results were... not so pleasing to say the least Good UGLs and good reputable #1 rated seller are really trying to push quality products. The crowd that buys that product is also much more experienced and knowledgable, so fake or under dosed products will quickly tarnish the rep of an UGL. If you for instance look at pharma*com labs. Those guys are practically pharma grade lol. A bunch of fan boys putting top quality products (albeit at a premium price) to the market. I trust them 100x more then supp companies that don't have one independent lab review of their product. Not to mention that you always read logs that people didn't see any results, or saw moderate results, etc. My experience with ostarine from OL UK: it raised my liver enzymes 8x out of range. 8x times! My experience with cerberus v2, was (still am) taking 4 pills a day, which equals to 330 1ad, 330 4ad, 600 epiandro: My e2 crashed after 10 days of use. It was below labs range! That's with 330mg's of 4ad with bulsh*t cyclosome delivery system or what ever marketing thing they decided to label on it. With 330mg's of 4ad my e2 shouldn't be below readable, so who knows what the hell is in this thing. Overpriced bs. For 200€ (2x cerberus) you can buy enough test for 4 cycles that will blow that chit out of the water. Etc. etc. etc. It's just some companies getting rich of an uncontrolled market, selling fad substances with absolutely no quality control.I'm just curious as to why you say that?
No I haven't. Just going off of what I have read. But again, if you need a test base, buy some test from a reputable company and be done with it. You know exactly what you are putting in your self and will have much more stable plasma androgen levels.Have you used Trest? I've been using it at 50mg in the morning. Today is Day 3 and everything seems to be going better. I did jump start it with the 2 x 25mg of oral Trest the first day though.