King + Kong Stack

[ShaneJW]

This is the new cycle I am thinking about running in a few months. It will involve the Prohormone KING by MedFit Rx and the SARM Stack KONG by MedFit Rx.

King by Medfit Rx
On Cycle:
ANTIESTROL by Platinum Nutra (Run for 4wks)
Breakthrough Labs Defense

Defense = Breakthrough DEFENSE is designed to:
1. Improve Good Cholesterol
2. Lower Blood Pressure
3. Maximize Liver & Prostate Health
How can this be? It contains the best Organ Defense ingredients at appropriate dosages:
1. Vitamin B6
2. Vitamin C
3. L-Taurine
4. Celery Seed Extract (4:1)
5. CoQ-10
6. Saw Palmetto
7. Milk Thistle (Standardized for 80% Silymarin)
8. N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC)
9. Grape Seed Extract
10. Alpha Lipoic Acid
SUGGESTED USE: As a dietary supplement, take three (3) capsules per day, preferably evenly spread apart throughout the day. DO NOT EXCEED 3 capsules in a 24 hour period.

PCT:
Kong by Medfit Rx &
Breakthrough Labs Balance

Balance = Test, Estrogen, Organ Support, & Prostate Protection: It’s ALL in Here!
Breakthrough BALANCE is designed to:
1. Spike Testosterone & Sex Drive
2. Lower Estrogen Levels
3. Increase Endurance & Strength
How can this be? It contains the best Post Cycle Therapy ingredients at appropriate dosages (per 3 capsules):
1. Milk Thistle - 750mg
2. N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) - 375mg
3. Epimedium Extract - 375mg
4. Fenugreek - 300mg
5. Saw Palmetto - 150mg
6. Androsta 3,5-dien 7,17 dione - 100.5mg
SUGGESTED USE:*As a dietary supplement, take three (3) capsules per day, preferably two (2) capsules in the morning and one (1) capsule in the afternoon or evening. DO NOT EXCEED 3 capsules in a 24 hour period.

After PCT:
Shred (GW) by Kodiak Labs
Breakthrough Labs Limits & Inches (running another bottle of Limits for your last 4 weeks).

Limits = Breakthrough LIMITS is designed to:
1. Naturally increase testosterone
2. Reduce estrogen and cortisol
3. Increase lean muscle mass
How can this be? It contains the best test-boosting ingredients at appropriate dosages (listed below as per serving):
1. 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin - 100mg
2. Epicatechin - 200mg
3. 20-Hydroyecdysone - 50mg
4. Epimedium - 200mg
5. Bulbine Natalensis - 600mg
6. Arimistane (Androsta-3,5, Diene) - 50mg
7. Tribulus Terrestri - 1000mg
8. Ashwagandha - 600mg
9. Longjack - 300mg
10. Boron Citrate - 20mg
SUGGESTED USE: As a dietary supplement, take two (2) capsules two times (twice) per day. Do not exceed more than one serving per day. Take this product daily for no more than 12 consecutive weeks. Allow a four week layoff before resuming use.

Inches = Breakthrough INCHES:
1. Non-Stimulant Fat Shredder
2. Minimal Water Retention
3. Precisely Dosed Anti-Cortisol
4. Build Strength & Lean Muscle
Ingredient Breakdown: No More Proprietary Blends!
* 1500 mg - Propionyl-L-Carnitine HCL (L-Carnitine Propionate)
* 300 mg (3-4 times the dosage of other products) - Androst-4-ene-3,11,17-trione (Andrenosterone / 11-Oxo)
* 75 mg - 3B-hydroxyandrost-5-ene-17-one (DHEA)
* 15 mg - 6,7-Dihydroxybergamottin (DHB)
SUGGESTED USE:
As a dietary supplement, take one serving (4 capsules) daily in divided doses. Women may use 2 (two) capsules per day. Take daily for no more than 12 consecutive weeks. Allow a four (4) week layoff before resuming use. For men, Breakthrough BALANCE is recommended during this layoff period. DO NOT EXCEED 4 capsules in a 24 hour period.





All together it will be a 16 week cycle.

Any thoughts or suggestions are much appreciated!


Thanks!

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Your cycle layout makes zero sense at all. How old are you? Cycle experience? You don’t seem ready for this stuff.

 

[ShaneJW]

26. And how is that? I’ll take any advice given..
I’m doing My Pro w/ On cycle support and the PCT and After a natural test booster.

 

[Anabolic Goat]

Keep it simple man, there's way too much unneeded info in your post

Let us know what your running, on cycle support and PCT (and for how long).

Plus I never heard of MedFit Fx, any credibility?

 

[ShaneJW]

It’s MedFit Rx. I just put the info on the Breakthrough Labs stuff Incase people couldn’t find it.

But is this better?

MedFit Rx King with
On cycle
Breakthrough Labs Defense with Platinum Nutra AntiEstrol (4-weeks)

PCT: MedFit Rx Kong w/ Breakthrough Labs Balance


After PCT: Breakthrough Labs Limits & Inches with Kodiak Shred

 

[Chasingtails]

No it’s not better. Your pct is garbage and you obviously haven’t done your research

You’re literally running a sarm stack for pct. whattttttt

 

[ShaneJW]

I was running the Balance with the SARM Stack for PCT

 

[Chasingtails]

Exactly. You clearly have no business messing with this stuff yet man. And I promise I’m not trying to be a dick.

You need to do research on these things. Sarms suppress you just like prohormones and aas. As a result, you don’t run them in PCT because PCT is the time when you’re restarting natural production

 

[Transhuman]

SARMs are suppressive and shouldn't be run as a PCT. You need an actual SERM for that. Balance isn't going to cut it.

 

[Geoffr]

I wouldn't purchase ANYTHING until you know exactly the layout of your cycle and more importantly your PCT. I tried reading your cycle several times but I just find it confusing.

Just layout what you are taking, the Dosagesa and the cycle length... then do the same with your pct. I'd be more than happy to help.

Example:
Cycle:
LGD - 10mg -ED - 10 weeks
MK677 - 25mg - ED - 16 weeks

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
(Test booster) - 8 week (start 2 weeks into PCT)
Reduce XT - 4 weeks


And so on...

 

[ShaneJW]

Okay. I did read that you can run them in PCT, and was confused by that. So that’s why I posted this to clear things up, and fix the areas that needed fixing. I know that some run MK-677 to bridge cycles but that’s not a “true SARM.” As well as other SARMs that aren’t “True SARMs.” So thanks for the advice

 

[ShaneJW]

Thanks. Will do.

 

[ShaneJW]

How does this look...

MedFit Rx King with On Cycle Support = Breakthrough Labs Defense with Platinum Nutra AntiEstrol (4-weeks)

PCT: Breakthrough Labs Balance & Limits


After PCT: Breakthrough Labs Inches with Kodiak Shred

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Go do actual research as you were already told. Nolva or clomid pct. Just go with a simple cycle.

 

[Renew1]

Go do actual research as you were already told. Nolva or clomid pct. Just go with a simple cycle.

^^^. This, bro. You're gonna mess yourself up.

 

[ShaneJW]

Any specific brand of Nolva or Clomid?

 

[Geoffr]

How does this look...

MedFit Rx King with On Cycle Support = Breakthrough Labs Defense with Platinum Nutra AntiEstrol (4-weeks)

PCT: Breakthrough Labs Balance & Limits


After PCT: Breakthrough Labs Inches with Kodiak Shred

So looking at your PCT those look like all in one natty tester booster products. Add in Clomid or Nova as well... board sponsors sell SERMs for research purposes only

 

[Renew1]

You asked for suggestions.... Here's my best one....DONT TAKE THIS.

1 Tablet Contains:
- Max LMG 50mg
- DMZ 30mg
- Methyl 1 Alpha 20mg
- Trestolone 10mg
- MSTEN 20mg

 

[Geoffr]

You asked for suggestions.... Here's my best one....DONT TAKE THIS.

1 Tablet Contains:
- Max LMG 50mg
- DMZ 30mg
- Methyl 1 Alpha 20mg
- Trestolone 10mg
- MSTEN 20mg

My liver hurts just reading that ^

 

[ShaneJW]

I read up on Nolva, and redid my stack. This is what I came up with now.

MedFit Rx King
1 Tablet Daily
1 Tablet Contains:
* Max LMG 50 mg
* DMZ 30 mg
* Methyl 1 Alpha 20 mg
* MSTEN 20 mg
* Trestolone 10mg

With On Cycle Support

Breakthrough Labs Defense:
AM (Upon Waking): 1 Pill
Afternoon (12pm): 1 Pill
Evening (8pm): 1 Pill

Platinum Nutra AntiEstrol: Running for 4-weeks taking 1ml in the morning and 1ml in the afternoon/evening

PCT: (Upon Waking)

Breakthrough Labs Balance ( 3 capsules per day 2 AM & 1 PM)
Balance Per Serving:
1. Milk Thistle - 750mg
2. N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) - 375mg
3. Epimedium Extract - 375mg
4. Fenugreek - 300mg
5. Saw Palmetto - 150mg
6. Androsta 3,5-dien 7,17 dione - 100.5mg


Breakthrough Labs Limits (2 capsules two times per day)
Limits Per Serving:
1. 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin - 100mg
2. Epicatechin - 200mg
3. 20-Hydroyecdysone - 50mg
4. Epimedium - 200mg
5. Bulbine Natalensis - 600mg
6. Arimistane (Androsta-3,5, Diene) - 50mg
7. Tribulus Terrestri - 1000mg
8. Ashwagandha - 600mg
9. Longjack - 300mg
10. Boron Citrate - 20mg


Nolvadex Everyday broken down like this:
Week 1 30 milligrams daily
Week 2 20 milligrams daily
Week 3 20 milligrams daily
Week 4 10 milligrams daily



After PCT:
Breakthrough Labs Inches ( 4 capsules daily 2 AM & 2 PM)
Inches Per Serving:
* 1500 mg - Propionyl-L-Carnitine HCL (L-Carnitine Propionate)
* 300 mg (3-4 times the dosage of other products) - Androst-4-ene-3,11,17-trione (Andrenosterone / 11-Oxo)
* 75 mg - 3B-hydroxyandrost-5-ene-17-one (DHEA)
* 15 mg - 6,7-Dihydroxybergamottin (DHB)


Kodiak Shred (GW) (1 Capsule Daily) - Cardarine (GW501516) 10mg

 

[Laxarcher13]

Bro can you condense that

 

[ShaneJW]

MedFit Rx King
1 Tablet Daily
1 Tablet Contains:
* Max LMG 50 mg
* DMZ 30 mg
* Methyl 1 Alpha 20 mg
* MSTEN 20 mg
* Trestolone 10mg

With On Cycle Support

Breakthrough Labs Defense:
AM (Upon Waking): 1 Pill
Afternoon (12pm): 1 Pill
Evening (8pm): 1 Pill

Platinum Nutra AntiEstrol: Running for 4-weeks taking 1ml in the morning and 1ml in the afternoon/evening

PCT: (Upon Waking)

Breakthrough Labs Balance ( 3 capsules per day 2 AM & 1 PM)

Breakthrough Labs Limits (2 capsules two times per day)


Nolvadex Everyday broken down like this:
Week 1 30 milligrams daily
Week 2 20 milligrams daily
Week 3 20 milligrams daily
Week 4 10 milligrams daily



After PCT:
Breakthrough Labs Inches ( 4 capsules daily 2 AM & 2 PM)

Kodiak Shred (GW) (1 Capsule Daily)

 

[Chasingtails]

Have you run any PHs before? Specifically, have you ever run a methyl? Have you heard of TUDCA? Because it should be your closest friend in the world

 

[ShaneJW]

Yeah I just ran a Methyl based pro. I’m coming off PCT right now. But I’ve never heard of TUDCA?

 

[ShaneJW]

Just looked it up. First time I’ve ever heard of it.

 

[Chasingtails]

Again, more research...I just don’t think you understand the power of the compounds in that stack. They are the type of compounds that you use one (or maybe two) at a time (in addition to testosterone). I’m not trying to keep you from doing it necessarily. I’m trying to help you make an educated decision because, at the moment, you are definitely not educated

 

[Laxarcher13]

Some one say something. ****. OP is going to ****ing wreck his body. I honestly think you should reassess your cycle. You need a decent break in between the two. Btw I’m taking KING and it’s ****ing bomb, you don’t notice much untill the tail end of the second week. I’ve been having blood work done and my blood pressure is a little high so look out for that as well muscle cramps. When you think you have drank enough water, drink more.

 

[ShaneJW]

I know that KING is extremely potent. So I do appreciate the help. That’s why I was running the Anti-Estrogen ( AntiEstrol) while on it along with the liver support.

 

[Laxarcher13]

I know that KING is extremely potent. So I do appreciate the help. That’s why I was running the Anti-Estrogen ( AntiEstrol) while on it along with the liver support.

Did you expierence muscle cramps often?

 

[ShaneJW]

I’m not on it yet. That’s why I’m posting this and getting more info and thoughts on it before I even attempt to run it. I heard it’s a very good Combo but really potent. So I wanted more advice on it. Other than what I’ve read and heard.

But thanks man. Hope it goes well for
You!

 

[Chasingtails]

An OTC aromatase inhibitor isn’t going to do **** for trest

 

[ShaneJW]

So that is why you run the Nolva or Clomid then is what I’m understanding?

 

[HAMinTheTrap]

Pretty ineffective cycle.

Id recommend the God + Zilla stack

 

[Chasingtails]

No. Nolva and clomid are serms. An aromatase inhibitor is something completely different.

Now that we’ve pointed out an issue with every single part of your cycle, can we agree that it isn’t the best idea for you to run this?

What PCT stuff are you on now? How often have you gotten bloods?

 

[AnabolicGuru]

You need way more knowledge before even considering a cycle. You’re not doing any research and are jumping to conclusions way too soon. Stay natural and do research so you don’t mess yourself up.

 

[ShaneJW]

Methy-1 (25mg)
17b-hydroxy-2a 17b-dimethyl-5a-androstan-3-one-azine (22.5mg)
2, 17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one (12.5mg)

With On Cycle Support
Vit. B6 & C
L-Taurine
Celery Seed Extract
CoQ-10
Saw Palmetto
Milk Thistle
N-Acetyl-Cysteine
Grape Seed Extract
Alpha Lipoic Acid

I’m almost through my PCT cycle and added MK-677 halfway through the PCT.

PCT Contained:
Vitamin B6 & B12
Chlorophytum Borivilanum
Mucuna Pruriens
Epimedium Sagittatum
Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione 3-deoxy-7-oxo-DHEA

Liver Support Matrix:
1,3,7 trimethylxanthime, N-Acetyl Cysteine
Hawthorn Berry
Celery Seed Extract
Milk Thistle
Vit. B6 & 12

 

[Anabolic Goat]

Go do actual research as you were already told. Nolva or clomid pct. Just go with a simple cycle.

^ This.
ShaneJW I am somewhat new to this stuff as well, but make sure you do your research and see what the fellas on here are running to see if you can do something similar. Once you have a nice layout of a cycle of what you got come back here and people will more than likely help you.

If you don't know anything about ancillaries like TUDCA... research research research.

 

[medinacirilo]

That “king” looks strong but some of the doses are a little off. Like maybe the Trest should be higher? I cramped up REAL BAD when I hit 60mg of DMZ. I bet it’ll get the job done but I know I’d feel like A$$ on it

 

[Bth]

I bought King and I'm at the tail end of the cycle. All I gotta say is that stuff is ****. Don't waste your money. I've taken halodrol before and had great gains and my aggression and focus in the gym was amazing. Just do dbol or something knowing that good results will be there.

 

[210LBS]

You're probably going to be a long way away from another cycle. If I were you I'd get blood work done ASAP because your PCT is likely to have been insufficient to get your natural test back up. It's possible your test is in the toilet right now. The way you have your cycles set up there is going to be little chance you will keep your gains. I'd focus on making sure you've recovered before anything else right now.

 

[ShaneJW]

I did a little more research and I came up with this now...

Cycle

ProHormone: King by Medfit Rx

On Cycle:

ANTIESTROL by Platinum Nutra (Run for 4wks)

Breakthrough Labs Defense = Breakthrough DEFENSE contains Organ Defense ingredients at appropriate dosages:
1. Vitamin B6
2. Vitamin C
3. L-Taurine
4. Celery Seed Extract (4:1)
5. CoQ-10
6. Saw Palmetto
7. Milk Thistle (Standardized for 80% Silymarin)
8. N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC)
9. Grape Seed Extract
10. Alpha Lipoic Acid

PCT:
Nolvadex

AI = Letrozole

Breakthrough Labs Balance = Post Cycle Therapy ingredients
1. Milk Thistle - 750mg
2. N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) - 375mg
3. Epimedium Extract - 375mg
4. Fenugreek - 300mg
5. Saw Palmetto - 150mg
6. Androsta 3,5-dien 7,17 dione - 100.5mg

After PCT:
Grizzly (MK-677) & Shred (GW) by Kodiak Labs

Breakthrough Labs Limits & Inches (running another bottle of Limits for your last 4 weeks).

Limits =
1. 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin - 100mg
2. Epicatechin - 200mg
3. 20-Hydroyecdysone - 50mg
4. Epimedium - 200mg
5. Bulbine Natalensis - 600mg
6. Arimistane (Androsta-3,5, Diene) - 50mg
7. Tribulus Terrestri - 1000mg
8. Ashwagandha - 600mg
9. Longjack - 300mg
10. Boron Citrate - 20mg

Inches =
* 1500 mg - Propionyl-L-Carnitine HCL (L-Carnitine Propionate)
* 300 mg (3-4 times the dosage of other products) - Androst-4-ene-3,11,17-trione (Andrenosterone / 11-Oxo)
* 75 mg - 3B-hydroxyandrost-5-ene-17-one (DHEA)
* 15 mg - 6,7-Dihydroxybergamottin (DHB)

 

[210LBS]

I did a little more research and I came up with this now...

Cycle

ProHormone: King by Medfit Rx

On Cycle:

ANTIESTROL by Platinum Nutra (Run for 4wks)

Breakthrough Labs Defense = Breakthrough DEFENSE contains Organ Defense ingredients at appropriate dosages:
1. Vitamin B6
2. Vitamin C
3. L-Taurine
4. Celery Seed Extract (4:1)
5. CoQ-10
6. Saw Palmetto
7. Milk Thistle (Standardized for 80% Silymarin)
8. N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC)
9. Grape Seed Extract
10. Alpha Lipoic Acid

PCT:
Nolvadex

AI = Letrozole

Breakthrough Labs Balance = Post Cycle Therapy ingredients
1. Milk Thistle - 750mg
2. N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) - 375mg
3. Epimedium Extract - 375mg
4. Fenugreek - 300mg
5. Saw Palmetto - 150mg
6. Androsta 3,5-dien 7,17 dione - 100.5mg

After PCT:
Grizzly (MK-677) & Shred (GW) by Kodiak Labs

Breakthrough Labs Limits & Inches (running another bottle of Limits for your last 4 weeks).

Limits =
1. 5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin - 100mg
2. Epicatechin - 200mg
3. 20-Hydroyecdysone - 50mg
4. Epimedium - 200mg
5. Bulbine Natalensis - 600mg
6. Arimistane (Androsta-3,5, Diene) - 50mg
7. Tribulus Terrestri - 1000mg
8. Ashwagandha - 600mg
9. Longjack - 300mg
10. Boron Citrate - 20mg

Inches =
* 1500 mg - Propionyl-L-Carnitine HCL (L-Carnitine Propionate)
* 300 mg (3-4 times the dosage of other products) - Androst-4-ene-3,11,17-trione (Andrenosterone / 11-Oxo)
* 75 mg - 3B-hydroxyandrost-5-ene-17-one (DHEA)
* 15 mg - 6,7-Dihydroxybergamottin (DHB)

1) Don't run nolva and letro as I just read about a study that showed they counteract each other.
2) TUDCA would be ideal on cycle since you are running 5 methylated PHs.
3) I'm not sure you'll want to run 11-OXO right after your PCT as there are some that say it is suppressive. To be honest, I am not sure if it definitely is, but I'd rather save it for on cycle.

The only other thing is to make sure you recover from your last cycle before you decide to run this. Since you didn't use a SERM for PCT it may take a while to fully recover from your cycle. The only way you'll know for sure is blood work. When do you plan on running this?

 

[Chasingtails]

I really think you’d be much better off choosing one or two of these compounds and running a proper cycle.

To point out another flaw, I don’t know how many tabs you take a day, but I’d say you’re getting 30mg max of oral trest, which you need to realize can’t serve as a proper test base. The half-life of oral trest is less than an hour.

You’re running 3 dry methylated phs and expecting 30ish mg of oral trest to keep you feeling good. It’s just not going to happen

 

[ShaneJW]

Not until May/June

 

[ShaneJW]

I believe it’s two tablets per day

 

[ShaneJW]

So run Nolva and TUCDA Pct and no 11-OXO or add that to on Cycle?

 

[Joshbile]

Instead of trying to run such a complicated stack/cycle, you should just go with the KISS (keep it simple stack) method.

1. Preload with some good old fashion milk thistle/cycle assist based multi compound product to get your liver ready for the abuse it is about to take.

2. Go with a simple 4-6 week cycle of either DMZ, or an epistane/tren stack (which seems to be popular and have personally got great results from).

3. Good on cycle support. TUDCA is your best friend. (Or a similarly strong cycle support supplement). Liv 52 is good, or you can go natural supplements and use tons of milk thistle and hawthorn berry, red yeast rice, saw palmetto, L-arganine, etc. On cycle support is just as important as post cycle support.

4. PCT must include Nolva/tamoxifen or Clomid, preferably Nolvadex, as well as continued use of milk thistle/support compound. A lot of people also like 6-bromo during pct. PCT should be the same length as the cycle you were on. Meaning if you cycle for 6 weeks, then pct needs to be 6 weeks. There are some debates on this, but i have always found that it works great using this method.

The more you add stuff that is unnecessary and may not do anything in regards to adding more strength/gains, the more chance you have at missing something or messing up your cycle.

Listen to all these guys on the board too, they know what they are talking about and their advice isnt just something they pull out of their back side. Sometimes you need to step back and look at the big picture and long term ramifications, and ask yourself if the risk is truly worth the temporary reward, especially at a young age. Just my $.02

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Don’t take that garbage. Do more research. Stick with a simple cycle.

 

[Renew1]

So run Nolva and TUCDA Pct and no 11-OXO or add that to on Cycle?

Almost everything you continue to say, shows that you truly know nothing about all of the Extremely harsh chemicals you are planning on putting in your body. I'm not making fun of you.....Every one of us were in your shoes at some point. But if you don't stop planning to run this cycle, and just focus on learning, and working out, the chances of you doing serious harm to your body is really very high.

 

[210LBS]

Don’t take that garbage. Do more research. Stick with a simple cycle.

Yeah. The product looks interesting because they jammed a bunch of strong PHs into 1 product, but that doesn't mean it is more effective than just taking one of those PHs. Keep in mind, Medfit RX makes all of those compounds separately and suggests them to be run at a higher dose. So, will you get better results at running 5 under dosed compounds or will you get better results running 1 or 2 properly dosed compounds?