First and foremost. Run a cycle of osta yk11 for at least 8 to 12 weeks. Anything under is a waste of money. Youll just start to notice anything at 4.
YK11
I run Nolva for my PCT usually. Nolva or Clomid will work just fine!
My first cycle was hexadrone for 4 weeks. I believe 3 caps a day. My PCT was a test booster and a weaker AI. Gained about 4-5lb. I lost everything but the veins that popped up...hoping for more with this stack. The only thing that worries me in this stack is YK. I heard it’s tricky...anyway, what gains can I expect in 4 weeks? I’m looking more for a lean bulk....Anyway weight gain (that I can keep) will be nice. I’ve been 198 lean for quite a while now.
So basically the SARM trio I’m running for 4 weeks won’t give any gains?
You need at least 6 weeks it’s not that it won’t yield anything but you start to “feel it” around week 2-3 then you’re making solid gains around week 4 why would you stop it short while making solid gains? That’s what people are trying to say basically you want to keep the pace of gains you’re making from week 4 all the way to week 8-12 personally I think 12 weeks is too long I feel that anywhere from 7-10 is optimal. Do what you want I’m not telling you what to do but as far as optimal you’re better off running 7-10 weeks I’m currently at the end of my first week running LGD and a test base of Androgel as well as mk677 and Mod GRF and I’m just starting to catch a hint of strength here and there.
Another reason for running a serm is that it’ll help keep your gains post cycle. Your body is fluctuating from super high exogenous test on cycle to little or no endogenous test and high e2 post cycle. You’re going to lose mass the longer your endogenous takes to bounce back. SERMs make this a fairly quick process
Osta is not suppressive at 3mg for one week. There is been plenty using this for pct and no shut down. Can it shut you down ? Sure but not that low dosage
There was a huge study done when osta came out, it was 3mg a day and showed suppression the first week, use the Google button, you will find it.
Lmfao, wow.
This shows a 20% reduction in Free Testosterone levels, an 11% reduction in total testosterone, 20% reduction in SHGB, and about a 10% increase in estrogen. Most of the suppression here would have been achieved in the first 1-2 weeks as there is no increasing dose after the 4rth day where levels should stabilize and further suppression isn't needed. Suppression happens quickly, it doesn't just continue to get worse and worse unless the levels get so high the system has no need to produce at all which would never be hit with 3mg. However that means there is still a 10%b total test suppression and worse 20% free test suppression which is odd considering SHGB is lower so lower free test and SHGB is odd. Add the fact that the lower test and SHGB means less shbg to bind estrogen so more free estrogen as well as increased estrogen while testosterone is lower makes the balance more estrogenic.
Perfect
Very true it’s almost like you can’t throw everyone in the same boat cause SARMS are so unknown. Sorry I thought shutdown meant complete shutdown as in no test production and suppression was loss of production of test.
What were your results from it?
So you're 100% sure it was osta and you have before and after blood with only osta (only)? I've read several people running it without shutdown at this dosage for 4-5 weeks. Yes you can control cortisol but osta has other positive effects to it. Anyways I'm not claiming anything in just tired of people saying it's suppressive because it should be. It's like saying you drink straight liquor 1ml and your vs 1ml of beer. One will obviously get you drunk way faster than the other.
I used it on a cut/recomp with osta 4 andro and ignite. I've only done a few cycles, but this, the endurance, time between sets, recovery was the best I've ever experienced. Strength did go up but nothing crazy since I was in a caloric deficit. I also dosed the yk all pre workout, in a couple weeks, I'm dosing it pre workout and pre bed this time around.
No, I am not 100% sure it was OSTA, no one can be unless they take their bottle to a lab to have it tested and then use THAT bottle for their cycle. I just have to go on the results and on the research company provided testing documentation saying that it was legit.
Obviously but this was 12 weeks. I've heard that certain brands aren't selling pure ostarine which can be a factor too. I find it interesting reading how many used it in pct with great results. I'll test this during pct and give my honest opinion.
Are you getting bloodwork before cycle and before and after pct?
That's the plan, again my levels will even if perfect not mean that everyone else will be sucessfull and vice versa. Just want to see for myself. (If there's some truth on the other side).
Again, suppression happens extremely quickly, but only to the extent that the androgen levels are above normal. Androgen levels are barely over normal with 3mg of osta so only mild suppression sets in, but it sets in quickly then feels it has found it's homeostasis for at 3mgs and levels out. The length past 1-2 weeks with this dosing has nothing to do with it.
Excellent question.
Very cool that you are willing to do this as that won't be cheap. So the plan is to get Test levels precycle then again post pct and if not as high you will deem that we are correct? What if I told you that no matter what for the first 3-4 months your levels won't be back to that baseline even if you have an AMAZING pct. That is pretty much the case, it takes a while even after a good PCT to get back to starting levels and maintain them.
You could just use abliderate or some other cortisol weight reduction product. High dose Vitamin C, and many others. There are several things that help control cortisol. I am honestly not aware of the current products for this because I am on TRT and don't ever have any need to control cortisol outside of PCT. At least not that is noticeable to me. However most adaptagenics will help.
I'm not on trt, mrkleen is
Got ya
Agreed, and also everyone messing with ANYTHING hormonal has already made the decision that they are okay with the risk of being on TRT for the rest of their life if that happens. If not then they are ignorant of the risks and should not be using. So then it is just trying to use some best practices and judgement based on your understanding of how everything plays together, but also realize that even if you do everything perfectly there is still a small chance you could still crash your HPTA permanently using any exogenous hormones that effect the HPTA. Even DHEA stuff or Osta. You just never know how your body is going to react or if your HPTA was already in jeopardy from the start.[/QUOTE]
Yup, same with all things really. We never know how much we can take personally.
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