SUSTANON ED OR M/W/F

[bigalex]

hey guys iv been on sustanon 500mg 2 times a week first cycle
im on my 7th week i plateaued
can i increase my dose another 250mg like m/w/f
or should i pin eod until the end of my cycle at 12 weeks ?
pretty sure its under-dosed just getting water bloat and my strength increased but not my kilos
i take 0.5 arimidex ed should i increase it to 1mg ed if i up my dose? im really frustrated guys any help?
thanks

 

[jakz]

MWF imo.

 

[Chados]

hey guys iv been on sustanon 500mg 2 times a week first cycle
im on my 7th week i plateaued
can i increase my dose another 250mg like m/w/f
or should i pin eod until the end of my cycle at 12 weeks ?
pretty sure its under-dosed just getting water bloat and my strength increased but not my kilos
i take 0.5 arimidex ed should i increase it to 1mg ed if i up my dose? im really frustrated guys any help?
thanks

500 mg two times a week or 500 mg /week? Gains will slow down that's how it is. You shouldn't push it on a first cycle and to be honest you'll probably just add water and the recovery will be harder.

 

[bigalex]

UPDATE
iv got 5 weeks left might as well up to dose to m/w/f and then do a good pct...experiment on the test..i dont think its dangerous ...and i take 0.5mg on my pin days
what do u guys think?

 

[Chados]

UPDATE
iv got 5 weeks left might as well up to dose to m/w/f and then do a good pct...experiment on the test..i dont think its dangerous ...and i take 0.5mg on my pin days
what do u guys think?

Haha what do you mean you don't think? It's not like you will die but that doesn't mean it's safe or wise. Are you using 500 mg/week? I just gave my opinion and I say no. You can always add more and more but at some point you have to stop. Too much test will bloat you and it's gonna be a harder recovery. Besides it's your first time, dont be all crazy now and focus on recovery to actually keep the gains

 

[bigalex]

Haha what do you mean you don't think? It's not like you will die but that doesn't mean it's safe or wise. Are you using 500 mg/week? I just gave my opinion and I say no. You can always add more and more but at some point you have to stop. Too much test will bloat you and it's gonna be a harder recovery. Besides it's your first time, dont be all crazy now and focus on recovery to actually keep the gains

im gonna up from 500mg to 750mg shouldn't bw a big difference
its only five weeks left i dont think ill need that harsh of pct cause the sustanon was ug labs underdosed and crap
thats why i wanna finish a 12 week cycle fast cause i was planning 16 weeks but didnt know ill geet bunk ****

 

[Chados]

How do you know it's bunk when you haven't used it before? Ever thought maybe you're doing something wrong? Maybe steroids arent magic and that it's very individual what to expect from a cycle?. 750 is a high dose of test, you have 5 weeks left , you do understand that's a lot of time with steroids? You're not gonna be a monster from one cycle if you're not already a monster before cycling.

 

[bigalex]

How do you know it's bunk when you haven't used it before? Ever thought maybe you're doing something wrong? Maybe steroids arent magic and that it's very individual what to expect from a cycle?. 750 is a high dose of test, you have 5 weeks left , you do understand that's a lot of time with steroids? You're not gonna be a monster from one cycle if you're not already a monster before cycling.

my friend is using the same stuff as me and he noticed it too its underdosed what a waste of 7 week

 

[bigalex]

next time single esters

 

[Cgkone]

Its normal to feel things slow up around week 8.
So it didn't sound bunk to me.
I was the same way.
I expected a lot more from my first test cycle.
Stacking steroids will be a lot more fun for you.
My first cycle I started at 300mg a week for 5 weeks bumped to 600 mg for 5 more weeks then bumped to 900 mg for another 5 weeks.
Most guys say their first cycle was the best.
Not at all for me.
Every cycle after my first has continued to be better.
Prop is a blast and I don't feel fat on it.
Test prop and NPP will yield good results
Less wait on the kick in time.

 

[Cgkone]

UPDATE
iv got 5 weeks left might as well up to dose to m/w/f and then do a good pct...experiment on the test..i dont think its dangerous ...and i take 0.5mg on my pin days
what do u guys think?

Yes bump that dose up.
My as well enjoy your last 5 weeks.
Don't crash your estrogen
Your injection days should feel the best because the short esters in that sust.
Bump to 1ml every other day and enjoy the ride.
Plan on a stack next time if you want more profound results.
Some people just don't get much out of test only cycles.

 

[bigalex]

Yes bump that dose up.
My as well enjoy your last 5 weeks.
Don't crash your estrogen
Your injection days should feel the best because the short esters in that sust.
Bump to 1ml every other day and enjoy the ride.
Plan on a stack next time if you want more profound results.
Some people just don't get much out of test only cycles.

how many mg of test is eod in a week?

 

[Cgkone]

1750 divided by 2 equals 850. So 850 mg on average

 

[Cgkone]

Sorry about that I'm trying to talk into my phone. Keep in mind that susd has long Esters that take up to 3 weeks to clear

 

[Cgkone]

I'm not 100% sure but I think so susd is a long Ester or what I mean is has some long Asters that take 3 weeks to clear

 

[Cgkone]

Also since it seems like you're okay with pinyin often you really should opt for a shorter Esther next time you cycle. That's how I am at least I weigh preferred short ester is where I can just pin everyday

 

[Swindler]

my gains stopped at the eight week mark so I up my test and deca...

 

[Bintherduntht]

hey guys iv been on sustanon 500mg 2 times a week first cycle
im on my 7th week i plateaued
can i increase my dose another 250mg like m/w/f
or should i pin eod until the end of my cycle at 12 weeks ?
pretty sure its under-dosed just getting water bloat and my strength increased but not my kilos
i take 0.5 arimidex ed should i increase it to 1mg ed if i up my dose? im really frustrated guys any help?
thanks

Sustanon can/should be shot once a week. That's if it's real.

 

[Cgkone]

my gains stopped at the eight week mark so I up my test and deca...

It's very normal. Well the DECA probably just started to really get going but the test will Plateau

 

[Bintherduntht]

I have real sust... Once a week for 3 years. Never needed more/had problems. Just got blood work done. All is fine

 

[Swindler]

Sustanon can/should be shot once a week. That's if it's real.

yeah I slightly changed the deca but boosted the test a good bit... A lot of it mainly has to do with eating plenty of carbs in my opinion. I was increasing calories a 100-200 every week. But all in all my leg grew from it quite a bit adding that last little bit to finish off the cycle...

 

[Bintherduntht]

yeah I slightly changed the deca but boosted the test a good bit... A lot of it mainly has to do with eating plenty of carbs in my opinion. I was increasing calories a 100-200 every week. But all in all my leg grew from it quite a bit adding that last little bit to finish off the cycle...

Absolutely. If you don't get those calories... The juicy juice isn't at 100%

 

[Bintherduntht]

hey guys iv been on sustanon 500mg 2 times a week first cycle
im on my 7th week i plateaued
can i increase my dose another 250mg like m/w/f
or should i pin eod until the end of my cycle at 12 weeks ?
pretty sure its under-dosed just getting water bloat and my strength increased but not my kilos
i take 0.5 arimidex ed should i increase it to 1mg ed if i up my dose? im really frustrated guys any help?
thanks

Also legit deca does not cause bloat. If anyone has ever had the real deal, they would agree

 

[Cgkone]

Sustanon can/should be shot once a week. That's if it's real.

When I ran a cycle of sust I shot every other day.
4ml in one shot would be a lot.
The prop gives me a boost so I like to spread it out.
When I use it for TRT I use it ever 5 days.

 

[Bintherduntht]

When I ran a cycle of sust I shot every other day.
4ml in one shot would be a lot.
The prop gives me a boost so I like to spread it out.
When I use it for TRT I use it ever 5 days.

I never understood that method... If you want to take advantage of prop, then use prop. Otherwise the half lives of the other esters will build up too fast wasting your gear. It was designed for once a week. To "sustain" you

 

[Cgkone]

I never understood that method... If you want to take advantage of prop, then use prop. Otherwise the half lives of the other esters will build up too fast wasting your gear. It was designed for once a week. To "sustain" you

And susd isn't really made for cycling a gram anyways.
I'm already breaking the rules if I'm doing a gram of it. I'd be getting a huge bump of prop.

 

[Bintherduntht]

When I ran a cycle of sust I shot every other day.
4ml in one shot would be a lot.
The prop gives me a boost so I like to spread it out.
When I use it for TRT I use it ever 5 days.

Sust isn't really the best for multiple injects in my opinion... If you wanna do that use a different ester. They say test is test, but the half life of decanate is 15 days. Why would you need to do that multiple times in one week? If you wanna be a pin cushion use shorter esters

 

[Cgkone]

I never understood that method... If you want to take advantage of prop, then use prop. Otherwise the half lives of the other esters will build up too fast wasting your gear. It was designed for once a week. To "sustain" you

Doing a gram of week of prop is even harder

 

[Cgkone]

I never understood that method... If you want to take advantage of prop, then use prop. Otherwise the half lives of the other esters will build up too fast wasting your gear. It was designed for once a week. To "sustain" you

That's why I choose susd over ethanate quite often I like the initial bump. So none of this stuff to we use it is made to be used the way were using it get me drift.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Doing a gram of week of prop is even harder

That's what I don't get. Who needs that much test? It's a waste... When I hear guys say they use that, I'm thinking it's under dosed. I have old mentors in real life that would completely agree

 

[Cgkone]

I never understood that method... If you want to take advantage of prop, then use prop. Otherwise the half lives of the other esters will build up too fast wasting your gear. It was designed for once a week. To "sustain" you

Also when I'm looking to do a gram a week the susd bloats me a whole lot less than ethanate

 

[Bintherduntht]

That's why I choose susd over ethanate quite often I like the initial bump. So none of this stuff to we use it is made to be used the way were using it get me drift.

It can be used the correct way. You want that "bump" use shorter esters. I pick longer esters so I'm not jabbing every damn day lol

 

[Bintherduntht]

next time single esters

These guys over complicate this stuff

 

[Cgkone]

It can be used the correct way. You want that "bump" use shorter esters. I pick longer esters so I'm not jabbing every damn day lol

I like doing a shot
If I want 4000mg a month
Its way more price efficient to run a long ester over prop. Not major but it is cheaper.
So its cheaper to run susd over prop
Susd is less bloaty than Ethanate.
You get a nice bump and less up and down with susd.
That's the major reason that I run it like that.

 

[Bintherduntht]

I like doing a shot
If I want 4000mg a month
Its way more price efficient to run a long ester over prop. Not major but it is cheaper.
So its cheaper to run susd over prop
Susd is less bloaty than Ethanate.
You get a nice bump and less up and down with susd.
That's the major reason that I run it like that.

It's more price efficient because you're shooting less... Prop would cost more... Ya get me?

 

[Cgkone]

It's more price efficient because you're shooting less... Prop would cost more... Ya get me?

Yup
That's it.
Exactly

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Sust isn't really the best for multiple injects in my opinion... If you wanna do that use a different ester. They say test is test, but the half life of decanate is 15 days. Why would you need to do that multiple times in one week? If you wanna be a pin cushion use shorter esters

I love SUSTANON so let me spill some drunken knowledge on you. Sust was made in th 50's for a 1x month pin. docs soon realized it's not good for a month but it's great for once a week. This is true for TRT but BBs calculated the esters and found e5d is the magic number. Most ppl over pin this because they forget the Phenyl-P ester not just the Prop ester.

When I ran a cycle of sust I shot every other day.
4ml in one shot would be a lot.
The prop gives me a boost so I like to spread it out.
When I use it for TRT I use it ever 5 days.

Your TRT dose is right on the money. You can get UGLs with changed Sust esters that are less than 100mg Decanate, or you can suppliment with extra Test P but I'll bet my 21" arms that 5 days is the best

 

[bigalex]

Its normal to feel things slow up around week 8.
So it didn't sound bunk to me.
I was the same way.
I expected a lot more from my first test cycle.
Stacking steroids will be a lot more fun for you.
My first cycle I started at 300mg a week for 5 weeks bumped to 600 mg for 5 more weeks then bumped to 900 mg for another 5 weeks.
Most guys say their first cycle was the best.
Not at all for me.
Every cycle after my first has continued to be better.
Prop is a blast and I don't feel fat on it.
Test prop and NPP will yield good results
Less wait on the kick in time.

now on week 7 of sustanon and really bloated i got five weeks left should i take 20mg nolva along with 0.50 e3d arimidex to reduce bloat?

 

[Cgkone]

now on week 7 of sustanon and really bloated i got five weeks left should i take 20mg nolva along with 0.50 e3d arimidex to reduce bloat?

I hate bloat.
I feel your pain it sucks.
Next time I bet prop only will have you much less bloated.
You can take as much AI as you want bro.
I use ralox now but I have run Nolva at 20 mg EOD.
I would use the adex and nolva day of injection.
That's how I run my AI if I'm uncomfortable.
Are you really lean to begin with?
My buddy is 5foot 9inches
165lbs
His first test cycle he was miserable after 500 mg and after week 8.
You may have to really check your diet.
Just water for liquids.
No crap carbs
I'm sure youve already done that.
So short answer is yes you can add nolva it helps me a lot.

 

[bigalex]

I hate bloat.
I feel your pain it sucks.
Next time I bet prop only will have you much less bloated.
You can take as much AI as you want bro.
I use ralox now but I have run Nolva at 20 mg EOD.
I would use the adex and nolva day of injection.
That's how I run my AI if I'm uncomfortable.
Are you really lean to begin with?
My buddy is 5foot 9inches
165lbs
His first test cycle he was miserable after 500 mg and after week 8.
You may have to really check your diet.
Just water for liquids.
No crap carbs
I'm sure youve already done that.
So short answer is yes you can add nolva it helps me a lot.

so 20mg nolvadex and 0.5mg arimidex on pin days? or ed?

 

[Cgkone]

so 20mg nolvadex and 0.5mg arimidex on pin days? or ed?

Try pin days .
Are you eating clean and extremely hydrated.?

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

so 20mg nolvadex and 0.5mg arimidex on pin days? or ed?

The other thing to consider is that the deconate ester swell is starting to hit so it's Ok to do AI e2d and Nolva on pin day.
I may be the only person that likes sust but I have always ran it next to EQ which is very synergistic and the undec ester and deconate ester all start hitting about week 5. EQ keeps your gains dry and hard and probably keeps bloat down but even If I dosed EQ at 250mg I would still add it for the synergistic properties.

 

[Cgkone]

The other thing to consider is that the deconate ester swell is starting to hit so it's Ok to do AI e2d and Nolva on pin day.
I may be the only person that likes sust but I have always ran it next to EQ which is very synergistic and the undec ester and deconate ester all start hitting about week 5. EQ keeps your gains dry and hard and probably keeps bloat down but even If I dosed EQ at 250mg I would still add it for the synergistic properties.

I'm definitely going to cruise on sust 175mg
85% sure ill ad EQ 400 mg 20weeks

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I'm definitely going to cruise on sust 175mg
85% sure ill ad EQ 400 mg 20weeks

Ive always wanted a comparison of Test Cyp 200mg and Sust 200mg [175 is close enough] because on paper sust is so much stronger long term. I think at that long of a cruise you could even go as low as EQ 300mg

 

[Swindler]

I'm definitely going to cruise on sust 175mg
85% sure ill ad EQ 400 mg 20weeks

does cruising like that not mess up your libido or do your run hcg with it

 

[Cgkone]

does cruising like that not mess up your libido or do your run hcg with it

I have run HCG and I'll run it again in the future just not right now. No cruising like that does not mess up your libido because the dose of test keeps you where you need to be in libido should be fine. But I have a whole plethora of drugs that I use if I need libido to be higher than normal. And since I'm on trt I can experiment a little more boldly. For instance I have test prop for a quick boost 7 Alpha which is basically ment. I have Viagra I have Cialis and I also have kaber and pram e

 

[Cgkone]

Caber being the best one. Caber and Cialis really will make you a pornstar

 

[Bintherduntht]

I hate bloat.
I feel your pain it sucks.
Next time I bet prop only will have you much less bloated.
You can take as much AI as you want bro.
I use ralox now but I have run Nolva at 20 mg EOD.
I would use the adex and nolva day of injection.
That's how I run my AI if I'm uncomfortable.
Are you really lean to begin with?
My buddy is 5foot 9inches
165lbs
His first test cycle he was miserable after 500 mg and after week 8.
You may have to really check your diet.
Just water for liquids.
No crap carbs
I'm sure youve already done that.
So short answer is yes you can add nolva it helps me a lot.

Never needed an AI for bloat from test. Nolvadex sucks the water right out, and blocks gyno.

 

[Bintherduntht]

now on week 7 of sustanon and really bloated i got five weeks left should i take 20mg nolva along with 0.50 e3d arimidex to reduce bloat?

Nolvadex will suffice. I take it at 20mg once a week. Old school style. Its half life is 5-7 days so everyday is not needed and will be a waste

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Nolvadex will suffice. I take it at 20mg once a week. Old school style. Its half life is 5-7 days so everyday is not needed and will be a waste

Have you ever tried MK-677 and fighting the MK bloat with nolvadex? I have heard a half dozen but none of them seemed to make sense out of the knowledge of HGH that I have.