No test done recently.
an interesting thing about T3, is that it increase beta receptor, therefore making clen/beta agonists more effective.
T3 seems to be one of those things either you love or hate..... personally, having a sluggish thyroid, I like it and am wired from it. but other guys I know are completely wiped out on it, too...
So I've been reading a little bit today.
You've use T3 on a cruise dose of test?
not test, but Helladrol once and Epi once.
I get that a cut is going to loose some muscle.
I have. 25mcg was money. Only 200mg a week.
I've read the body produces 25mcg a day.
That's what I've read
No, it’s not.
That's all good advice, I don't think OP is trying to get into contest shape or anywhere near 5% BF and using GDAs or injectable carnitine. You can still get fine results in terms of fat loss and body comp with a split dose 25/25mcg as long as you are on enough anabolics to preserve the muscle. Also kind of unrelated to original thread, but why do you take the metformin before fasted cardio? Is it just for AMPK activation?
Interesting that you mentioned the blood sugar issue.... do you taper off the T3 when you use it?
Very interesting
Will 25mcg shut me down?
Not at all
My body temp runs high as well. It just means you naturally have a fast metabolism. I have never been uncomfortable due to elevated body temp from T3, it's going to bump it up like 1-2 degree F. And yes if you systemically increase cellular metabolism or basal metabolic rate(like T3 does) you are pretty much invariably going to increase body temperature. It's not like raising temperature is the way it increases metabolism, makes metabolism less efficient or burns fat (unlike DNP or mitochondrial decouplers), it's just that elevated body temperature is a consequence having an increased metabolism.
No, you’re right. I’m just using it as an example as to how to optimally use it.
Gotcha
I'm considering the stack.
I 100% agree on the yohimbine, but I'm still not sure why you need the metformin. If you are fasted, you should have really low blood glucose (basically what ever your liver made over night) and almost no insulin circulating, you're not worried about going hypo or it effecting the quality of your cardio? I guess I just don't see the point of taking it before the fasted cardio, it makes sense to take the yohimbine and caffeine for fatty acid mobilization and the carnitine to chaperone the fats as an energy source.
If you are on tren you are fine to do 50mcg of T3. You are also probably good to go with that dose of T3 and EQ and a "trt" ~150-200mg of test, see how your body responds, you might not even need to cut to 2800, 3000 might be better. Also I have no idea how you are maintaining on 3200 at 260, I'm ~225 and I need 3500 to hold, but everyone is different.
That's what I was wondering g
Lots of things changed wen I hit 40
Not at all. It’s happen a handful of times where my Bg has tanked bad but just fight through it. It’s not insulin, it won’t keep dropping. You stabilize....If really feel ****ty slam some BCAA and you’ll get brought back.
Keto diet reduces metabolism through lack of conversion to T3 and increase in rT3 activity. Conversion process from T4 to T3 requires moderate to high insulin levels at least periodically.This makes T3 supplementation almost mandatory for keto dieting IME and it underscores why carb cycling is paramount to the low carb dieting approach. This is a great example of how PED’s allows us to do things that we can’t do naturally - that is, do a low carb diet while deep in the single BF% and still continue to burn fat while even building muscle in some cases.
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I do. Theres one study out there, granted only one study, but ill take what i can find, where the thyroid recovers faster when t3 was tapered down to 12.5 mgs for 2-3 weeks, and natural thyroid levels bounce back faster than taper down completely then coming off. At the minimum i would taper down over a couple weeks, and may be best from this study to keep dosing at 12.5 for two or three weeks, two weeks is enough.
Sounds good, and you definitely do not need T4, it will literally do nothing if you are running 50mcg of T3. And your thyroid is way more essential to your everyday functioning than your HPTA, hence it is extremely resilient and you can't really "shut it down" like your LH, estrogen and testosterone feedback loop. You can be on T3 for a LONG time without any permanent damage.
Sweet
100% on point, if you aren't getting exogenous T3 you need those insulin spikes (Eating a lot of simple or high glycemic carbs) occasionally to remind your body to convert more T4 to T3 and keep your metabolism up. Also nice progress
Adding T4 would domoreharm then good?
Well unless you plan to stay on T4 indefinitely, or for a very long period of time, it’s much harder to recover normal thyroid function if you take T4 on top of T3. You will likely have little suppression if you only use a low dose of T3, but when you add T4 you are almost guaranteed suppression of your endogenous T4 production, which is the majority (vs T3) of what is produced by the thyroid gland. So it wouldn’t necessarily do more harm in the true sense of the word, but it would make it harder to recover when you plan on stopping and that additional recovery time could lead to a reversal in any progress you made while on the T4/T3
Thanks ill skip it.
I feel this, i am used to going upto 80-140mcg of clen but since using 50mcg of t3 have been getting great results from 40mcg and maxing out at 60mcg with the clen.
what ratio e.g. dose of t4 if using 50mcg t3
yeah, I think one of the big issues is that it depletes taurine from cardiac tissue. so taking taurine is definitely a MUST, IMO.