Planning second cycle. Need advice

[Bcuzimbatman]

Want to start prepping my second cycle which I plan on using in a couple of months. My goals are to make as lean as possible gains in strength with minimal weight gain and maybe some fat loss.
My thoughts are

Test E 600/E3D (w 1-12)
Masterone E 700/E3D (w 1-12)
Anavar 60mg ED (w 6-12)
HCG 250/E3D (w 3-12)

Clomid and Nolva for PCT
Dex kept on hand in case of estro sides.
Any advice on this cycle?

 

[Nac]

Im not sure youll be getting your moneys worth from the var throwing it in like you have with that mast.

 

[Bcuzimbatman]

Im not sure youll be getting your moneys worth from the var throwing it in like you have with that mast.

Why would that be?

 

[Nac]

Why are you wanting to add in var? What are you thinking it might add to your cycle that the other drugs wont?

 

[Juicedeez utz]

Is that 600 E3D or 600 a week Test? Regardless if you want minimal weight gain I wouldn’t run the test that high or have the var, is rather go for winny for strength.

 

[Chados]

Steroids will not just burn fat and as far as size goes the compounds are not made for size except test. Masteron won't give anything in size and it's not gonna shred you up if you're not already really fit. And why do much test?. What exactly made you decide to go for this stack and why 600 mg test?. What's your height weight and fat %?

 

[Bcuzimbatman]

600/week

The reason I run the test is for the strength gains. The var is to keep me dry but I've never done mast so I wasn't sure what effect it would have

 

[Chados]

Again whats your height weight and body fat? and be honest cause it'll only just yourself and you'll get dissappointed.

 

[Bcuzimbatman]

Again whats your height weight and body fat? and be honest cause it'll only just yourself and you'll get dissappointed.

I know the compound won't reduce fat. The reason I chose these compounds is due to them tending to be more dry and don't produce bloat. The test as I mentioned above is for strength purposes. I have NO interest in more size. I am weighing in at 238 at 15% bf. I compete in strongman at 231lbs so when I cycle again I want the weight gain to remain manageable not a huge water bloat that prevents me from functioning. Also I believe through my first cycle that I discovered I'm prone to E side effects. So other than the masteron helping with dry gains it would also help me reduce E sides.
In case info is needed about my first cycle it was
Test E 400/week 1-15
Anavar 60mg/day 7-15
E/C to control hunger spikes and fat gain
HCG 500/week 5-15

PCT with Clomid and Nolva

 

[Juicedeez utz]

I know the compound won't reduce fat. The reason I chose these compounds is due to them tending to be more dry and don't produce bloat. The test as I mentioned above is for strength purposes. I have NO interest in more size. I am weighing in at 238 at 15% bf. I compete in strongman at 231lbs so when I cycle again I want the weight gain to remain manageable not a huge water bloat that prevents me from functioning. Also I believe through my first cycle that I discovered I'm prone to E side effects. So other than the masteron helping with dry gains it would also help me reduce E sides.
In case info is needed about my first cycle it was
Test E 400/week 1-15
Anavar 60mg/day 7-15
E/C to control hunger spikes and fat gain
HCG 500/week 5-15

PCT with Clomid and Nolva

For minimal side gains, I’d go 300 Test, 50mg winny. Mast can be good for the feel good factor and help with E related sides in some cases. Just more expense. Var can add some decent, dense muscle, causing a decent increase in weight.

 

[Bcuzimbatman]

For minimal side gains, I’d go 300 Test, 50mg winny. Mast can be good for the feel good factor and help with E related sides in some cases. Just more expense. Var can add some decent, dense muscle, causing a decent increase in weight.

Avoiding whinny due to the potential winstrol d*** I like to stay active with my wife and that would ruin me since I seem to be sensitive to sides

 

[Juicedeez utz]

Avoiding whinny due to the potential winstrol d*** I like to stay active with my wife and that would ruin me since I seem to be sensitive to sides

Viagra or cialis. Haven’t actually heard of winny dick haha

 

[Chados]

I know the compound won't reduce fat. The reason I chose these compounds is due to them tending to be more dry and don't produce bloat. The test as I mentioned above is for strength purposes. I have NO interest in more size. I am weighing in at 238 at 15% bf. I compete in strongman at 231lbs so when I cycle again I want the weight gain to remain manageable not a huge water bloat that prevents me from functioning. Also I believe through my first cycle that I discovered I'm prone to E side effects. So other than the masteron helping with dry gains it would also help me reduce E sides.
In case info is needed about my first cycle it was
Test E 400/week 1-15
Anavar 60mg/day 7-15
E/C to control hunger spikes and fat gain
HCG 500/week 5-15

PCT with Clomid and Nolva

Well if you want strenght I would not go anavar. Tbol maybe

 

[Chados]

Viagra or cialis. Haven’t actually heard of winny dick haha

Lol, well if you ever find information about this new phenomenon please send me a pm.

 

[Nac]

Cgkone whats a good strongman stack with minimal weight gain (diet aside)

 

[Cgkone]

Cgkone whats a good strongman stack with minimal weight gain (diet aside)

Honestly next time I'm going to run a cycle at the same time I am planning on peaking at strength I am going to add Tren.
I plan on month 1 and 2 test/NPP
Then ill drop the test in half and cut the NPP down to a quarter and blast Tren ACE for the last 5 weeks and max out.
So it will be.
Month 1 500mg test prop 500 mg NPP EW
Month 2 700 mg test prop 700 mg NPP EW
Month 3 200 mg test prop 500 mg Tren ACE and maybe 150mgNPP.

Those doses are high probably for most people.
I'm just saying that's what I'm go I g to do next time.
Tren makes me so strong its crazy.
Now that I can eat I'm really loving it.

 

[Nac]

^aye yeah, good call on the NPP. Very little bloat compared to deca, but at the right dose still plenty of strength gains.

 

[Cgkone]

^aye yeah, good call on the NPP. Very little bloat compared to deca, but at the right dose still plenty of strength gains.

I love NPP
Its soo good.
Still takes a while for it to kick in on me.
Test prop I feel in 5 days but NPP more like the 4th shot.
Still way faster than DECA.

 

[Chados]

Honestly next time I'm going to run a cycle at the same time I am planning on peaking at strength I am going to add Tren.
I plan on month 1 and 2 test/NPP
Then ill drop the test in half and cut the NPP down to a quarter and blast Tren ACE for the last 5 weeks and max out.
So it will be.
Month 1 500mg test prop 500 mg NPP EW
Month 2 700 mg test prop 700 mg NPP EW
Month 3 200 mg test prop 500 mg Tren ACE and maybe 150mgNPP.

Those doses are high probably for most people.
I'm just saying that's what I'm go I g to do next time.
Tren makes me so strong its crazy.
Now that I can eat I'm really loving it.

High? That's insane if anything. 3200 mg / week?

 

[Nac]

High? That's insane if anything. 3200 mg / week?

Whered you get 3200 from?

 

[Cgkone]

High? That's insane if anything. 3200 mg / week?

I don't even know what you mean homie.
What does 3200 mean?

 

[Godstrength]

Whered you get 3200 from?

I think he's adding the doses from each month thinking he's running that ew

 

[Cgkone]

I just read the thread.
Now that I know that bloat is an issue and strength is key, my answer is even more dead on.
Test prop is way drier than Ethanate.
NPP has never bloated me. The way my body handles NPP is almost like its a different drug than DECA.
Those together at 500 mg EW will have you strong.
Tren might be too rough on the lungs to try and run around carring heavy ass stuff.
GW helps but maybe not enough.

 

[Chados]

I think he's adding the doses from each month thinking he's running that ew

Exactly haha

 

[Bcuzimbatman]

I just read the thread.
Now that I know that bloat is an issue and strength is key, my answer is even more dead on.
Test prop is way drier than Ethanate.
NPP has never bloated me. The way my body handles NPP is almost like its a different drug than DECA.
Those together at 500 mg EW will have you strong.
Tren might be too rough on the lungs to try and run around carring heavy ass stuff.
GW helps but maybe not enough.

I know plenty of strongmen who use tren but I don't know if I wanna use it for my second ever cycle

 

[Cgkone]

I know plenty of strongmen who use tren but I don't know if I wanna use it for my second ever cycle

You probably can just opt for an oral.
Halo is suppose to be great for strength.
No bloat.
That's why I said Tren might not be a good choice.
Test P and NPP will be just fine.
Is that what your planning to run?

 

[Cgkone]

GW also.
Cardio boost.
With or without Tren I would add GW.