20lb heavier DBs on incline presses??? WTF??? Sounds like a nightmare and a wet dream all wrapped into one. I don't know what to make of this cycle. How were you dosing the M1A and have you ever ran either of them solo before? What was PCT and recovery like - how long did it take you to get back to normal?
HA! That about sums it up.
I ran the 4 andro throughout the entirety of the cycle and started it 2 weeks prior to the M1AD. Started at 300mg the first week and continually stepped it up each week to reach 550mg the last week. I am a big believer in starting low and raising the bar. In my experience you can get good results with lower doses at the beginning and then keep that gainz train going instead of hitting a plateau a few weeks in.
Started the M1AD first day of week 3. 20mg for week 1 - week 2-3 @40mg and week 4 (really last 9 or so days, so part of week 3) I bumped it to 60mg. All I read was the sweet spot was 40mg but that bump to 60mg really friggin rocked. I seemed to really lean up the first couple weeks on the 4 andro but can't say I really saw any gains. By the end of the first week of M1AD I started gaining weight. When I bumped it to 40mg the weight gain massively increased. Started seeing good strength gains that second week of M1AD also. And for me there was no issue with water retention. It all appeared good lean mass, muscle striation looked better and all.
Plan was to run TD dien weeks 5-8, but got too excited and started 4 or 5 days early. 50mg am / 50mg pm and really stuck to almost exactly 12 hours apart. Like I said, if I remember correctly it was day 4 of dien and a chest day. I went from doing something like 4X8 @ 65-70lb dbells on incline and all of a sudden I was repping 85's for at least that many sets/reps. Felt like superman. The thing was I was eating super clean with moderate carbs (150-180g/ day). When I started the dien I realized I needed more. I literally couldn't eat enough. I started eating somewhere around 350-400 carbs / day and started throwing in cheeseburgers and pizza with protein shakes. 6-7K calories a day. The strength gains kept coming - great lines and striations - good lean weight gain. There was no visible fat gain once the dien kicked in...insane vascularity. Then beginning of week 6 (last week of M1AD) I saw a little anxiety at bedtime. I wasn't sleeping great but I didn't care at all because I felt like I was running at 1000% and didn't miss the sleep. But it got worse night after night and DID start to bother me. Thur and Fri of that week 6 I felt like complete s***. I just wanted to sleep all day (still couldn't sleep at night lol) and did sit around constantly. I have 4 kids at home and am used to being on my feet all day but I physically could not do it. I was moody and KNEW I was moody - I genuinely tried to be normal and found myself reacting badly to a lot of situations. My joints felt like bone on bone. I have never had knee issues but it hurt to stand - never had ANY issues with my wrists but they were extremely painful, etc. That's when I finished what I had of the M1AD and called it quits on the dien. Everything started clearing up the day after i stopped the TD applications but it probably took over a week for everything to get back to a normal feeling. Oh yea, depression those last couple days as well than continued for a few days after quitting.
Man, I really am trying to shorten this up and only leave in the pertinent details - don't think I am doing a good job at that.....
I have never run M1AD before but have to say I loved it. I ran the oral version of dien years ago at 150mg/day but this was NOTHING like that. I don't know if it was just the TD delivery or the brand or what. I know a lot of people are going to laugh at me on this but it very much felt like a decent dose of tren. I am going to try it again this summer as I have a lot leftover with a REAL test base to see if that helps with some of the sides. I originally thought it was all due to crashed estrogen but upon further research could also seeing it be the "fina flu." I don't know if that can happen with this compound since it is not IM tren - But I think that might fit the sides better than E2 issues seeing as how quickly it cleared up. End of cycle I was up 17 lbs and didn't lose a thing. My planned pct was clomid for 4 weeks and was trying out DAA for the first time with pct as well. There was no way I was screwing around with an a.i. after all that. The thing is I didn't feel or seem suppressed whatsoever. I ran the clomid @ 50 for about five days and then dropped it down to 25 through the end of week 2. That was it for pct. I am not advocating for short pct's at all but I have a lot of experience and TRY to trust what my body is telling me and that was all I needed for this one. I waited about 7 weeks to try to jump on anything else and didn't lose strength or weight. I didn't have the same aggression in the gym which meant I wasn't pushing extended sets anymore but I was just trying to maintain as well.
