FIRST CYCLE...TEST ENANTHATE- CANT FEEL ANYTHING...

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Hi everyone. This is my first cycle.

I have started to using Testostorone Enanthate.

I have bought it from pharmacy in Turkey, it is completely legal there, but my Test E is "Iran" Brand. ( Aburaihan labs )

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My first injection was at 14 th of October. For frontloading, I have used 500 Mg.

Next injection was at 18 October, this time I used 250 Mg.

So from now on, I will inject 250 Mg every 2 or 3 days. So 500 Mg / Week.

Now, I still cant feel the effects. Yes, I have read that this is long Ester, but I have read that, after 36 hours from the first injection, Serum Test Levels increase they say.

I cant feel any improvements in strength, mood, erection quality etc. Yes, I dont expect to put on muscle so quickly, but still I cant feel anything.

By the way, at 14 th October, I also started to use 12.5 Mg aromasin every day. But one guy told me this is too much and recommended me to use 12.5 Mg EOD.

I am 162 Lbs and I guess I am minimum %15 BF, maybe even %18.
 
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You dont really want to be feeling anything in the first 10 days, because in that short timeframe its typically only going to be negative reactions if you do.

You need to give things 3-4 weeks at least, generally speaking, to start "feeling" the benefits of high test levels.

Your "frontload" looks a bit strange, but meh. Your serum levels will increase from the first pin, yes, but it can take up to 6 weeks to reach peak stability.

Id agree that, again generally speaking, 12.5mg/d of aromasin is too high when dosing blind (ie without any symptoms or bloods). Every other day is a better starting point.
 
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With cypionate or enanthate it's a slow steady ramp up. Your strength will gradually increase your really start to see it hit about week 4 or 5. You're only 10 days in so you're not going to notice much.

Also 250 e 2 or 3 d isn't 500 a week. It's considerably more.
 

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It is slowly going up you say, but I cant feel any difference.

How slow it is climbing up?

Right now if I make a blood test, what should be my level? ( My original level is 476 Ng / Dl ).
 
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Maybe my gear is fake ?
You bought at a pharmacy and think it’s bunk? What kind of pharmacies do you have operating in your country? Pharma means 100% Legit where I’m from.
 
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And injecting test 250 every two or three days is more than 500mg. Every 2 days is 875mg and every 3 days is 580 something mg. Pick a schedule and stick to it.
 
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It is slowly going up you say, but I cant feel any difference.

How slow it is climbing up?

Right now if I make a blood test, what should be my level? ( My original level is 476 Ng / Dl ).
Try not to stress.

If it will make you feel better, get the blood test two days after a pin. At this stage Id assume your TT to be around 1500ng/dl or more.
 

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As you tell me to be patient, I will be. At November I will go to hospital for blood test.
 

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Clearly, you haven't done enough research or you would know that long-estered injectables take weeks before you notice anything significant. You would also know, had you done your research, that 12.5mg ED of Aromasin is a ridiculous dose for 500mg a week of test.

I guess you thought that you could just go buy some steroids at a pharmacy and inject random amounts of them into your body, while taking random amounts of an aromatase inhibitor, and nothing bad would ever happen. Well, good luck, buddy.
 
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I have done actually, Enanthate is long ester and they told me to wait 2 weeks minimum. But 3-4 weeks.

But the thing is, I have read that, after FIRST injection, in 36 hours, Serum Testostorone levels increase. So thats why I am confused. If my testostorone levels increase, why dont I feel anything? Ok, of course, now it is not Peaked, but I am using 500 Mg. 10 times more than Natural. I also got my second injection 2 days ago , so thats why I am confused.

I dont expect to be a muscle monster in 6 days , of course. But I dont feel ANY difference. If serum T levels started to increase just after 36 hours the first injection, why I dont see any difference in my mood, energy, erection quality ?

Also, I have also read that I should take 12.5 Mg Eod, but some people told me that it is valid for low BF people. I have read that High BF increases aromatization, and I think I am now around %18 BF. Thats why I afraid and increased it to 12.5 MG ED, but from now on I will take 12.5 Mg EOD.

The other thing that which makes me worried is blood pressure. During steroid cycle, I have read that high blood pressure may happen and it is dangereous for heart, so thats why I wanted to take as much as Aromasin as possible.
 
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Bro, you cant accurately predict aromatisation and e2 levels based on bodyfat. Thats ridiculous. You need to be reasonable about this.

So start with a reasonable AI dose. Taking "as much aromasin as possible" is not reasonable. Estrogen is not an enemy here.

Trying to control blood pressure with "as much aromasin as possible" is also not reasonable.

I cant give you a definitive, physiological break down of why these test doses dont have acute perceivable benefits (Id guess that whilst serum levels are immediate, tissue uptake and downstream effects are not). Anyway, all I can say with confidence is that they tend to take time to establish themselves. This is the rule, not the exception.
 

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Ok , from now on I will take 12.5 Mg Eod.

And I will be patient.
 
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Chill . I could swear I feel it the same day since I always get warm and I'll get some energy. Placebo? No idea but as far as strenght an muscle growth goes it takes weeks to really notice and when you do it just keeps going up.
 

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I still cant feel anything unfortunately. Now it has been 9 days. So I think I should wait for 1 more week..
 
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I still cant feel anything unfortunately.

Its been another 4 days. Whats that, ten days in total? Lol

Get bloods, or quit your cycle. If you cant be patient, and are getting anxious over this, AAS probably not for you.
 
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Hey OP, do you have any cycle support and liver support? If not, CEL CYCLE assist and CEL TUDCA would be beneficial. I personally use it on my TRT regimen.
 

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I dont use any support for liver. As I heard injectibles are safe for liver so I dont worried about them.

Anyway, I have started at 14 th october, today is 24 , so far it has been only 10 days. Still I dont feel any effects.

Many people told me I would have better erections, and I am still waiting.

Weird thing is, when I was 18, my erections were better than my dick was 2 cm longer. I have lost it. The another reason I used Test E is to recover my old erection quality.

But so far, nothing happened. I will make a blood test in 6 th of November.
 
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Yip, higher testosterone can lead to better erections.

But know what? The human body is not as simple as "inject all the test and get better stiffys!"

Why?

Cos more test = more aromatisation, and more aromatisation = more e2, and too much e2 = not better stiffys.

Then, on the other hand, using too much AI = too low e2, which can also = not better stiffys.

So as you should be able to see, its not necessarily as simple as "I HAVE ALL THE TEZT BUT NONE OF TE FEELZ!"

6th of November cant, err, cum quick enough.
 
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I dont use any support for liver. As I heard injectibles are safe for liver so I dont worried about them.

Anyway, I have started at 14 th october, today is 24 , so far it has been only 10 days. Still I dont feel any effects.

Many people told me I would have better erections, and I am still waiting.

Weird thing is, when I was 18, my erections were better than my dick was 2 cm longer. I have lost it. The another reason I used Test E is to recover my old erection quality.

But so far, nothing happened. I will make a blood test in 6 th of November.
 
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May I add:

When the penis shrinks by 2cm, it may be a sign of:

 
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I dont use any support for liver. As I heard injectibles are safe for liver so I dont worried about them.

Anyway, I have started at 14 th october, today is 24 , so far it has been only 10 days. Still I dont feel any effects.

Many people told me I would have better erections, and I am still waiting.

Weird thing is, when I was 18, my erections were better than my dick was 2 cm longer. I have lost it. The another reason I used Test E is to recover my old erection quality.

But so far, nothing happened. I will make a blood test in 6 th of November.
Beforehand, I'm not sorry for the posted memes, I had to.
How I understand this, you just bought some test to probably gain some muscle -and treat your erectile dysfunction (!).
Then you front load like an IFBB pro and on top you killed your estrogen in the first week of your cycle, with 12.5mg Exemestane per day.
Now you are wondering why the Penis still points to your feet.
You also think that your Penis was longer when you were younger.

My advise would be to get off of steroids. You will run into big trouble, mark my words. We all do sometimes crazy sh1t, at least I do -but c'mon man, that is just ridiculous.
 
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There's no way your penis will shrink 2 cm I can promise you that.
 
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I can feel my steroids as soon as I track them to my post office.
Instantly put on 15 pounds of pure muscle.
This muscle is mostly in my penis, but also in my biceps and shoulders.
By day 2 I'm easily 25 lbs heavier.
I run half a bottle of stane everyday.
This keeps me shreaded and horny!!
Day 3 of my steroids cycle I'm exactly where I want to be.
All lifts are up 50-75 pounds.
I'm a ****ing monster in the gym and bedroom.
I stop using steroids on day 4 .
I then switch to SARMS and keep all my gains.
I usually run 2-3 cycle a month.
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There's no way your penis will shrink 2 cm I can promise you that.
Now that I'm old, my ballsack got longer. I first noted when I stepped on it.
 
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Now that I'm old, my ballsack got longer. I first noted when I stepped on it.
Everything seems normal then. When you can grab the sack and use it as an umbrella you know you been on the gear too long
 
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Now that I'm old, my ballsack got longer. I first noted when I stepped on it.
I've gotten used to my ballsack bumping against my ankle throughout the day. I switch off between putting it down the left leg and the right leg of my pants.
 
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Lets say I was OP. Lets say I don't want to go to the doc and talk about my ED. Lets say I also lift weights.
Lets say I read all about steroids and Test in particular first. Lets say I tried at least two PDE5 inhibitors without success.
I definitely would have tried Test prop first. If my Penis does not respond by the second shot (day 4), I could just stop the cycle right there.

If it works, problem would be, that after -and during PCT I would have the ED again. That would be a bummer -and only when I'm on a cycle, I would have mating season.

See, it just don't add up. Besides, every time you fiddle with the AI dosage, to dial it in, chances are that libido suffers -happens to me.
 

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I am really sure that during puberty years I was more bigger , I have pictures of my penis. Now it is smaller. And I am not kidding.
 

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I am sure I have lost size. I have pics. Anyway I am waiting. Just 20 minutes ago I have received my third shot
 
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I dont use any support for liver. As I heard injectibles are safe for liver so I dont worried about them.

Anyway, I have started at 14 th october, today is 24 , so far it has been only 10 days. Still I dont feel any effects.

Many people told me I would have better erections, and I am still waiting.

Weird thing is, when I was 18, my erections were better than my dick was 2 cm longer. I have lost it. The another reason I used Test E is to recover my old erection quality.

But so far, nothing happened. I will make a blood test in 6 th of November.
Use liver supports and unfriend everyone who told you that you should not use liver supports during an injection based cycle. I hate to tell you this but that is not true. They are not as liver toxic as orals but still raise liver values. One of the well known members on here had to get off of injection based TRT for a while due to his elevated levels.

You need Liver, BP, and Cholesteral supports...

There's no way your penis will shrink 2 cm I can promise you that.
It can appear to have...
I've gotten used to my ballsack bumping against my ankle throughout the day. I switch off between putting it down the left leg and the right leg of my pants.
Haha, mine shrank up with my testicles, like a nice tight coin purse down there again now. Reminds me of being 12!
Why would a horny goat need weed?����
To calm him down if he ain't getting any... I thought that was obvious!!!
I am really sure that during puberty years I was more bigger , I have pictures of my penis. Now it is smaller. And I am not kidding.
NOPE! Thats not how it works. I bet you are heavier than you were then though... Your penis has a tendon type thing in it that "dicktates" the leng of your penis... It typically doesn't shrink but what often happens is people gain weight. If you have a 9 inch tendon and 7 inches on the outside of the body then build the fat up the tendon doesn't grow with your belly, just less of it is outside the body due to extra fat.

It is said on average if a man loses 50lbs his penis will be 1 inch longer. Not because it grows but because the waist & lower abdomen shrink...


As far as feeling "ON", some people are highly in tune with their body, and can recognize the little changes in mood, confidence, positive aggression and whatnot. It seems that perhaps you are not as in tune with these things as many notice those small changes far before the gains start showing up. I can feel a difference pretty quickly but I have been at the fitness game and paying attention to my body for years now.

As far as your AI use... Why did you even start your first cycle using an AI? Especially a lower dose like the 500mg it looks like you intended. Unless you already know that you are estrogen sensitive you shouldn't have touched the AI until there was some sign that it was needed. MANY people do not need an AI with 500mg of test e or c. Jumping right in with it and at a high dose was not the way to go. Now unfortunately you have set yourself up that if you stop the AI now you might suffer some estrogen rebound... So just taper it back to EOD, or maybe even E3D and see if you are having any estrogen based sides.
Lowering estrogen when it does not need to be only weakens your cycle.
 
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I have pictures of my penis. Now it is smaller. And I am not kidding.
My Penis pics from my youth are in black and white.
 

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Ok, what can I do to protect my livers? Milk Thistle?

Also, when I was 18 years old, I was around 125 Lbs, so maybe it is because of fat pad, but I am sure that it was more girthy and better erection.

The thing is, I have used Lexapro for 3 years, it also ruined my erection quality too. I stopped taking that **** 1.5 year ago, btw.

The worst thing happened to me is, 1 year ago I was able to have sex with very beautiful girl. Before that, I did not have a girl like that. Usually I have 4's and 5's thats it. But this girl was solid 8. So we tried to have sex for the first time and I got erection problems and I could not satisfy her. Because of that ****, she left me. If this **** did not happened, I think we could date a long time, but unfortunately, we could not started dating because of this issue. She got really offended.

That day, I really got very angry and sad. I wanted to cut my ****ing dick with knife. And I am not kidding.

I am really serious. So please, I also want you to be serious too. I am not kidding. I am not trolling.
 
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Ok, what can I do to protect my livers? Milk Thistle?

Also, when I was 18 years old, I was around 125 Lbs, so maybe it is because of fat pad, but I am sure that it was more girthy and better erection.

The thing is, I have used Lexapro for 3 years, it also ruined my erection quality too. I stopped taking that **** 1.5 year ago, btw.

The worst thing happened to me is, 1 year ago I was able to have sex with very beautiful girl. Before that, I did not have a girl like that. Usually I have 4's and 5's thats it. But this girl was solid 8. So we tried to have sex for the first time and I got erection problems and I could not satisfy her. Because of that ****, she left me. If this **** did not happened, I think we could date a long time, but unfortunately, we could not started dating because of this issue. She got really offended.

That day, I really got very angry and sad. I wanted to cut my ****ing dick with knife. And I am not kidding.

I am really serious. So please, I also want you to be serious too. I am not kidding. I am not trolling.
You have to see a specialist on ED, maybe a shrink too, period -and I'm not kidding either.
 
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That's insecurity hitting you.. don't worry it'll get better with age (not trolling), we've all been there at some point more or less.. what you need liver protection for?
 
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I am waiting this Test E to kick in. If it wont work for my erection , I will go to doctor.

Anyway how can I protect my liver?
 
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I am waiting this Test E to kick in. If it wont work for my erection , I will go to doctor.

Anyway how can I protect my liver?
250-500mg/day Tudca + 2x 300-600mg/day Nac.
If you use only Test, 2x600mg Nac is fine, IMHO. Safe Tudca for oral cycles.
 

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