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RedSwan's long 4AD/1AD/Superdrol/FinigenX (12 weeks) cycle log. Started June 4th
(to clarify, the *cycle* was started June 4th, this log is being written a bit late, I've been busy! )
Well here it is folks. It was talked about a bit in a previous thread, I've made some minor modifications, and started. The purpose of this thread is to provide (to myself and others) a trackable log of the events that occured before, during, and after this cycle. It's a bit controversial, and I'm not going to say that anyone else should, or should not do the same. Maybe we can all learn something from this (yes, including my pig-headed, stubborn self ) So I'll just jump right in and get the meat out of the way and explain afterwards:
(yes, it's all oral pills)
1-AD comes in 100mg caps
4-AD comes in 300mg caps
Superdrol comes in 10mg caps
EDIT- I'm adding in FinigenX - it's a liquid product - liposomal delivery. Each 6ml has 25mg of the "active". Let me state this, I KNOW that it DOES NOT convert to Tren in the body, but what it does convert to is *similar* to Tren and has significant activity. Not many have used it, but from those that have, all have had very positive things to say about it.
W1- 4AD - 900mg, SD - 20mg
W2- 4AD - 1200 mg, SD - 20mg
W3- 4AD - 1200 mg, SD - 20mg
W4- 4AD - 1500 mg, SD - 20mg, 1AD - 600mg
W5- 4AD - 1500 mg, 1AD - 600mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W6- 4AD - 1500 mg, 1AD - 700mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W7- 4AD - 1800 mg, 1AD - 700mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W8- 4AD - 1800 mg, 1AD - 800mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W9- 4AD - 1800 mg, SD - 20mg, 1AD - 800mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W10- 4AD - 1800 mg, SD - 30mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W11- 4AD - 1500mg, SD - 30mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W12- 4AD - 1500mg, SD - 30mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
I will be taking DHB with eatch dose of the PH's. It's from ASR, and eatch cap is 300mg of DHB. (DHB is the thing in Grapefruit juice. Basically, DHB attaches to the enzymes that are responsible for metabolizing oral medications in the first pass metabolism, so you get more out of your orals, because the enzymes that destroy them in the first pass are already occupied by the DHB.)
Why did I chose these substances and why the length of the cycle? Well, these are the things that I currently have from getting them earlier in the year before the ban, so if you're questioning my choices and legality, that is the reason. As to the length of the cycle and why I don't break it up into two smaller cycles with pct inbetween, Let's just say that it's a "timing" issue in regards to the possibility of a drug test/Career. Not saying anything further, I'd like to keep that part of my life private please. Thank you for understanding.
Bloodwork: I have already gotten a baseline blood draw before I started taking any of the PH's. (results will be posted below) I will also be getting bloodwork at the end of the first 4 weeks (the end of the first superdrol phase), and once again at the end of week 8 (right before the 2nd superdrol phase). I will also be getting bloodwork after the cycle ends, and yet again after PCT (hell, maybe even in the middle of pct too). I don't want to damage my health, and if things look *really* out of whack, I'll stop or make the appropriate changes.
Diet and measurement info: Diet will be roughly 1,000 cals over maintenance. At the start of this (day 0- June 3rd) I weighed 176 lbs at 10.35% bodyfat. (3 site skinfold measurements. Chest: 9mm, Abdomen: 13mm, Thigh 14mm) The breakdown of the diet is: 400g Protein, 300g Carbs, 75-85g Fat.
I have been taking in that exact amount for 2 weeks prior to starting this cycle, and the numbers where just a tad bit lower for the 6 weeks prior to *that*: 350g P, 250g C, 75g F. Previous to that, I was cutting and had reached a low of 172 lbs. at 8.8% bf.
This is just to give you an idea of where my diet has been in the past and it's effects on me. The 6 weeks at the slightly lower numbers saw my weight staying the same (hovering around 175 lbs) with a slight decrease in skinfold measurements - about 3mm total over the 6 weeks. The two weeks of the higher amounts saw a slight increase in skinfold measurements and saw my weight move up to an average of 176 lbs. I weigh myself every single day with the same scale right after I wake up, completely naked, before I've eaten or drank anything, after going to the bathroom.
I am EXTREMELY anal with my food intake! I weigh EVERYTHING! (ok, except for fruit, because what am I going to do if it's a few grams short, cut open another piece and take it with me? I'm NOT perfect, I just STRIVE to be ) But seriously, I weigh my scoops of protein for pete's sake. The container gives me nutritional info for 30 grams weight of powder, so I make sure I get 30 grams weight of powder. (sometimes, scoops come up "short", and as explained, I like to try to be precise)
My diet is very clean food that I prepare in advance, lean protein sources, and low GI carbs. Egg whites, lean ground beef, lowfat cottage cheese, chicken/turkey breast, lean cuts of beef, tuna, CarbCountdown fatfree Milk, oatmeal, brown rice, red kidney beans, sweet potatoes, apples, plums, pears, bananas, EVOO, Udo's Choice Oil, Fish Oil, and of course, Whey Protein. (Like I said, I weigh/measure everything. My digital scale is my friend!) This breaks down into 4 whole food meals, 2 half food/half shake meals, and 2 shake meals. 7 are taken/eaten during the day, and I wake up in the middle of the night and slam down a protein shake. Having said all that, I might decide to up the cals by another 300 or so after I see how the weight is changing, and also I'm sure that after gaining 10 or so pounds I'll need to increase food intake anyways to continue gaining.
Supplements: Since this is a *long* cycle, I'm going to be taking many things that are anti-oxidants, things for liver support, cholesterol support, things for blood pressure, kidneys. Here's the main list of supps:
Alcar, Taurine, Green tea extract, CLA, Idebenone, Policosanal, Rhodilia, Celery seed extract, NAC, Red Yeast Rice, CoQ10, Milk Thistle, C12 extract (twinlab blood pressure control), Allicin (garlic), Saw Palmetto, Hawthorn Berry, Fish Oil, Multi-vit, Vit-C, Dandelion root
In addition:
Cissus Quadrangularis, Celedrin, Glucosamine and Chondroitin, DHB (the stuff from grapefruit juice), CEE, Whey Protein Also adding in Designer Supp's: ActivaTe I also decided to get some bulk HMB powder and run that at a high dose (9 grams a day. Holy crap does this stuff STINK and make whatever you mix it with taste bad ).
I've thought about the possibility of adding in a low dose of ReboundXT around the middle of the cycle if estrogen sides start to show up. I also have some Letrozole on hand if bloat gets unbearable, but I really want to keep these two to a minimum, because estrogen DOES have benefits.
Training: Currently I am in the hands of a *very* capable trainer. Iron Addict is training me, and I have made more gains with him in the past 8 weeks than I had made on my own the previous *16* weeks! My MAIN focus right now is on gaining strength. "Those that makes the biggest strength gains will also make the biggest size gains" is what I'm sticking to. (because trying to get the size without the strength being there just was NOT working ) So basically I'm on a modified hybrid powerlifting/bodybuilding type of routine. Iron Addict likes to call it "powerbuilding". I'm lifting 3 times a week and doing cardio 3 times a week, and also pulling a weighted sled outside 2 times a week. (Eventually when I build up enough time on the sled, those two days will replace two of the cardio days, but that won't happen for about 3 or 4 weeks or so). Sorry, but I will not be able to give a breakdown of exactly what it is that I am doing in the gym, but I will be able to give highlights.
Goals: of course, increased strength and SIZE! Also, like to keep fat gain to a minimum. Of course I'm going to be gaining some fat, but I'm not looking to go *crazy* here. I know I'll bloat up, and I'm fine with that, it can be taken care of after PCT. The objective when all is said and finished is to come out with a very nice increase of Lean Body Mass.
PCT: I already have Nolva, ReboundXT, Lean Xtreme, and Letrozole ON HAND. Basically, every single other supplement listed above will also continue into PCT. (I was taking about half of them before this started everyday anyways). Dr. D was nice enough to lay out a PCT plan for me after hearing my thoughts on what I think it should consist of. Here is what Dr. D suggested, and what I will be doing for PCT (maybe with a *slight* modification, still a bit unsure about the Clomid, and I will not be using HCG, as I don't have any access to it) -
(to clarify, the *cycle* was started June 4th, this log is being written a bit late, I've been busy! )
Well here it is folks. It was talked about a bit in a previous thread, I've made some minor modifications, and started. The purpose of this thread is to provide (to myself and others) a trackable log of the events that occured before, during, and after this cycle. It's a bit controversial, and I'm not going to say that anyone else should, or should not do the same. Maybe we can all learn something from this (yes, including my pig-headed, stubborn self ) So I'll just jump right in and get the meat out of the way and explain afterwards:
(yes, it's all oral pills)
1-AD comes in 100mg caps
4-AD comes in 300mg caps
Superdrol comes in 10mg caps
EDIT- I'm adding in FinigenX - it's a liquid product - liposomal delivery. Each 6ml has 25mg of the "active". Let me state this, I KNOW that it DOES NOT convert to Tren in the body, but what it does convert to is *similar* to Tren and has significant activity. Not many have used it, but from those that have, all have had very positive things to say about it.
W1- 4AD - 900mg, SD - 20mg
W2- 4AD - 1200 mg, SD - 20mg
W3- 4AD - 1200 mg, SD - 20mg
W4- 4AD - 1500 mg, SD - 20mg, 1AD - 600mg
W5- 4AD - 1500 mg, 1AD - 600mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W6- 4AD - 1500 mg, 1AD - 700mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W7- 4AD - 1800 mg, 1AD - 700mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W8- 4AD - 1800 mg, 1AD - 800mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W9- 4AD - 1800 mg, SD - 20mg, 1AD - 800mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W10- 4AD - 1800 mg, SD - 30mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W11- 4AD - 1500mg, SD - 30mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
W12- 4AD - 1500mg, SD - 30mg, FinigenX - 18ml (75mg)
I will be taking DHB with eatch dose of the PH's. It's from ASR, and eatch cap is 300mg of DHB. (DHB is the thing in Grapefruit juice. Basically, DHB attaches to the enzymes that are responsible for metabolizing oral medications in the first pass metabolism, so you get more out of your orals, because the enzymes that destroy them in the first pass are already occupied by the DHB.)
Why did I chose these substances and why the length of the cycle? Well, these are the things that I currently have from getting them earlier in the year before the ban, so if you're questioning my choices and legality, that is the reason. As to the length of the cycle and why I don't break it up into two smaller cycles with pct inbetween, Let's just say that it's a "timing" issue in regards to the possibility of a drug test/Career. Not saying anything further, I'd like to keep that part of my life private please. Thank you for understanding.
Bloodwork: I have already gotten a baseline blood draw before I started taking any of the PH's. (results will be posted below) I will also be getting bloodwork at the end of the first 4 weeks (the end of the first superdrol phase), and once again at the end of week 8 (right before the 2nd superdrol phase). I will also be getting bloodwork after the cycle ends, and yet again after PCT (hell, maybe even in the middle of pct too). I don't want to damage my health, and if things look *really* out of whack, I'll stop or make the appropriate changes.
Diet and measurement info: Diet will be roughly 1,000 cals over maintenance. At the start of this (day 0- June 3rd) I weighed 176 lbs at 10.35% bodyfat. (3 site skinfold measurements. Chest: 9mm, Abdomen: 13mm, Thigh 14mm) The breakdown of the diet is: 400g Protein, 300g Carbs, 75-85g Fat.
I have been taking in that exact amount for 2 weeks prior to starting this cycle, and the numbers where just a tad bit lower for the 6 weeks prior to *that*: 350g P, 250g C, 75g F. Previous to that, I was cutting and had reached a low of 172 lbs. at 8.8% bf.
This is just to give you an idea of where my diet has been in the past and it's effects on me. The 6 weeks at the slightly lower numbers saw my weight staying the same (hovering around 175 lbs) with a slight decrease in skinfold measurements - about 3mm total over the 6 weeks. The two weeks of the higher amounts saw a slight increase in skinfold measurements and saw my weight move up to an average of 176 lbs. I weigh myself every single day with the same scale right after I wake up, completely naked, before I've eaten or drank anything, after going to the bathroom.
I am EXTREMELY anal with my food intake! I weigh EVERYTHING! (ok, except for fruit, because what am I going to do if it's a few grams short, cut open another piece and take it with me? I'm NOT perfect, I just STRIVE to be ) But seriously, I weigh my scoops of protein for pete's sake. The container gives me nutritional info for 30 grams weight of powder, so I make sure I get 30 grams weight of powder. (sometimes, scoops come up "short", and as explained, I like to try to be precise)
My diet is very clean food that I prepare in advance, lean protein sources, and low GI carbs. Egg whites, lean ground beef, lowfat cottage cheese, chicken/turkey breast, lean cuts of beef, tuna, CarbCountdown fatfree Milk, oatmeal, brown rice, red kidney beans, sweet potatoes, apples, plums, pears, bananas, EVOO, Udo's Choice Oil, Fish Oil, and of course, Whey Protein. (Like I said, I weigh/measure everything. My digital scale is my friend!) This breaks down into 4 whole food meals, 2 half food/half shake meals, and 2 shake meals. 7 are taken/eaten during the day, and I wake up in the middle of the night and slam down a protein shake. Having said all that, I might decide to up the cals by another 300 or so after I see how the weight is changing, and also I'm sure that after gaining 10 or so pounds I'll need to increase food intake anyways to continue gaining.
Supplements: Since this is a *long* cycle, I'm going to be taking many things that are anti-oxidants, things for liver support, cholesterol support, things for blood pressure, kidneys. Here's the main list of supps:
Alcar, Taurine, Green tea extract, CLA, Idebenone, Policosanal, Rhodilia, Celery seed extract, NAC, Red Yeast Rice, CoQ10, Milk Thistle, C12 extract (twinlab blood pressure control), Allicin (garlic), Saw Palmetto, Hawthorn Berry, Fish Oil, Multi-vit, Vit-C, Dandelion root
In addition:
Cissus Quadrangularis, Celedrin, Glucosamine and Chondroitin, DHB (the stuff from grapefruit juice), CEE, Whey Protein Also adding in Designer Supp's: ActivaTe I also decided to get some bulk HMB powder and run that at a high dose (9 grams a day. Holy crap does this stuff STINK and make whatever you mix it with taste bad ).
I've thought about the possibility of adding in a low dose of ReboundXT around the middle of the cycle if estrogen sides start to show up. I also have some Letrozole on hand if bloat gets unbearable, but I really want to keep these two to a minimum, because estrogen DOES have benefits.
Training: Currently I am in the hands of a *very* capable trainer. Iron Addict is training me, and I have made more gains with him in the past 8 weeks than I had made on my own the previous *16* weeks! My MAIN focus right now is on gaining strength. "Those that makes the biggest strength gains will also make the biggest size gains" is what I'm sticking to. (because trying to get the size without the strength being there just was NOT working ) So basically I'm on a modified hybrid powerlifting/bodybuilding type of routine. Iron Addict likes to call it "powerbuilding". I'm lifting 3 times a week and doing cardio 3 times a week, and also pulling a weighted sled outside 2 times a week. (Eventually when I build up enough time on the sled, those two days will replace two of the cardio days, but that won't happen for about 3 or 4 weeks or so). Sorry, but I will not be able to give a breakdown of exactly what it is that I am doing in the gym, but I will be able to give highlights.
Goals: of course, increased strength and SIZE! Also, like to keep fat gain to a minimum. Of course I'm going to be gaining some fat, but I'm not looking to go *crazy* here. I know I'll bloat up, and I'm fine with that, it can be taken care of after PCT. The objective when all is said and finished is to come out with a very nice increase of Lean Body Mass.
PCT: I already have Nolva, ReboundXT, Lean Xtreme, and Letrozole ON HAND. Basically, every single other supplement listed above will also continue into PCT. (I was taking about half of them before this started everyday anyways). Dr. D was nice enough to lay out a PCT plan for me after hearing my thoughts on what I think it should consist of. Here is what Dr. D suggested, and what I will be doing for PCT (maybe with a *slight* modification, still a bit unsure about the Clomid, and I will not be using HCG, as I don't have any access to it) -
So I think that pretty much covers everything. Just as a reminder, anything presented here is subject to change based upon how things are going and if bloodwork looks horrible or whatnot. Next post will have stats/measurements in it.wk1: Clomid 100mg, LXT 150mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 2000mg, DHEA 200mg
wk2: Clomid 100mg, LXT 100mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 2500mg, DHEA 200mg
wk3: Clomid 50mg, Nolva 40mg, LXT 50mg, RXT 25mg, Fen 3000mg, DHEA 200mg
wk4: Nolva 60mg, RXT 50mg, DHEA 100mg
wk5: Nolva 40mg, RXT 50mg, DHEA 100mg
wk6: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 2000mg, DHEA 50mg
wk7: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 2500mg
wk8: Nolva 20mg, RXT 75mg, Fen 3000mg
If you have hCG and haven't used it all cycle, but decide you need it to kick off PCT after all, start 2 weeks before PCT with 500iu EOD until you've used a total of 5000iu, your very first shot should be 1000 though. This will slightly over lap with the initiation of your PCT but it's a good way to stage the SERM and won't hurt final PCT results, you're not loading the Clomid anyway, and you have 8 weeks. With the RXT and LXT, at the times when the dose is over 25 and 50mg respectively, separate the doses into equally spaced intervals. The DHEA dose all in morning or in a morning/noon split. No DHEA after noon. You may realize about 4wks into PCT that you are ahead of task. If so, you can cut the PCT short to 6wks instead of 8 or just stick to the script but eliminate the last 2 wks of Nolva use. In this case, you might could down adjust the RXT dose too. You should be bouncing hard after this. I'd skip not less than 2 more months now before the next cycle. A final note, you could sub Nolva(about 60-80mg) for Clomid if you wish to avoid Clomid or don't have any on hand, but it does not work as well in my experience, at least not as fast.
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