T3, why some say yes it's awesome and some say don't touch it ?

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  1. T3, why some say yes it's awesome and some say don't touch it ?


    I see alot of mixed opinion, some love that sh!t and some say hell no don't touch it!
    I'm talking about 50 mcg dose max!


  2. It can be catabolic but I think we all know how to fight that, some guys aren't a fan of the sides, but that's easy to fix you just take less, so IMO it's a great compound when used wisely.
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  3. Exactly, you gotta weigh up why they saying not to touch it. Is it personal-based, or scientific?

    I know youve read that other t3 thread where I had the tl;dr, so whats still bothering you?

  4. I'm a fan. Had to learn to dose accurately pretty early on the with liquid RC. Overdosed to soon and the sides kicked my ass. Sore muscles (mostly in upper back and neck) and super lethargic.

    Got accurate on my dosing and titrated up properly with great results, and seemingly no sides. A bit of annoying armpit sweating many days but whatever. That's what it's doing!!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    Exactly, you gotta weigh up why they saying not to touch it. Is it personal-based, or scientific?

    I know youve read that other t3 thread where I had the tl;dr, so whats still bothering you?
    the more I learn about it the more mixed reviews I get and some scare me some encourage me, so I'm trying to get to the bottom of this to drive if I'll run it with my next cut or no at 50 mcg max.
    main concern is one of ppl that I trust his opinion told me it will burn alot of muscle mass unless u run heavy cycle.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Dma378 View Post
    I'm a fan. Had to learn to dose accurately pretty early on the with liquid RC. Overdosed to soon and the sides kicked my ass. Sore muscles (mostly in upper back and neck) and super lethargic.

    Got accurate on my dosing and titrated up properly with great results, and seemingly no sides. A bit of annoying armpit sweating many days but whatever. That's what it's doing!!
    nice what did u consider overdose and what was ur sweet spot ?
  7. T3, why some say yes it's awesome and some say don't touch it ?


    I'll just say I love t3. Will never cycle without it

    40-60mcg is all you need.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by hamdysayed View Post
    the more I learn about it the more mixed reviews I get and some scare me some encourage me, so I'm trying to get to the bottom of this to drive if I'll run it with my next cut or no at 50 mcg max.
    main concern is one of ppl that I trust his opinion told me it will burn alot of muscle mass unless u run heavy cycle.
    Danes?

    Ask him, whoever it is, to discuss the topic itt. The science Ive seen says he's wrong, but let him present his evidence.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    Danes?

    Ask him, whoever it is, to discuss the topic itt. The science Ive seen says he's wrong, but let him present his evidence.
    not Danes bro, aside from him bro on multiple forums some ppl love t3 and some just don't recommend at all, that's why I made the thread kinda to see who had good experience with it snd eho didn't.
    if I decided to doit I'll run it with anavar and test/bold transdermal blend 100/100 mg per ml

  10. Quote Originally Posted by netflixNchill View Post
    I'll just say I love t3. Will never cycle without it

    40-60mcg is all you need.
    I see u have great results so far, did u run it with ur lgd rad cycle?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by hamdysayed View Post
    nice what did u consider overdose and what was ur sweet spot ?
    I was probably hitting over 100mcg

    Backed down to 50 once acquired a marked dropper. Increased by 10 each week after and have been at 80 since then.

    80 seems to be my sweet spot.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Dma378 View Post
    I was probably hitting over 100mcg

    Backed down to 50 once acquired a marked dropper. Increased by 10 each week after and have been at 80 since then.

    80 seems to be my sweet spot.
    nice u think anavar at 40 mg and test/bold 100 each TD would be good enough ?
    or u really need some heavy gear to retain muscle from 50 mcg t3?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by hamdysayed View Post
    nice u think anavar at 40 mg and test/bold 100 each TD would be good enough ?
    or u really need some heavy gear to retain muscle from 50 mcg t3?
    It doesn't take much at all. At 80mcg T3, my test subject is retaining mass and recomping nicely with just 250mg test and 15mg RAD-140

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Dma378 View Post
    It doesn't take much at all. At 80mcg T3, my test subject is retaining mass and recomping nicely with just 250mg test and 15mg RAD-140
    nice my cycle should be good enough.
    I'll run 25 mcg since I have read anavar amplify t3 then up it to 50 mcg max.
    did anyone run 25 mcg without gear?
    since I'm sure not alot of ppl have the optimal 25mcg naturally produced!

  15. I think there is a good argument to be made for running 25mcg, esp if you are wanting to err on the side of caution.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    I think there is a good argument to be made for running 25mcg, esp if you are wanting to err on the side of caution.
    u r talking about with gear or without

  17. Quote Originally Posted by hamdysayed View Post
    u r talking about with gear or without
    With (some form of test or AAS), wouldnt bother otherwise.
  18. T3, why some say yes it's awesome and some say don't touch it ?


    I have been taking 300 mcg T4 and 150 mcg T3 for a year or more and have had absolutely zero issues with catabolism. If you are wondering why such a high T3 dose I am using it as an adjunct to my other antidepressants (long history). Taking 50 mcg three times daily. Idk why everyone freaks out about T3 usage? I was off gear for 6+ months while taking these doses and not one issue! And my stuff comes straight from my local Walgreens pharmacy so it’s not bunk research chemical garbage

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I have been taking 300 mcg T4 and 150 mcg T3 for a year or more and have had absolutely zero issues with catabolism. If you are wondering why such a high T3 dose I am using it as an adjunct to my other antidepressants (long history). Taking 50 mcg three times daily. Idk why everyone freaks out about T3 usage? I was off gear for 6+ months while taking these doses and not one issue! And my stuff comes straight from my local Walgreens pharmacy so it’s not bunk research chemical garbage
    wtfff
    wow
    what's ur stats?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    With (some form of test or AAS), wouldnt bother otherwise.
    oh ok got u , I was gonna do 25 mcg pre cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    I think there is a good argument to be made for running 25mcg, esp if you are wanting to err on the side of caution.
    iirc isn't 25mcg equivalent to endogenous levels?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    iirc isn't 25mcg equivalent to endogenous levels?
    if ur levels are optimal!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by hamdysayed View Post
    wtfff
    wow
    what's ur stats?
    What do you mean stats? Currently I’m 6 ft 2, 240 lbs, 11% bf. been busy last few months so maybe have made it to the gym once or twice per week. But regardless T3 has variable bioavailability from person to person for several different reasons, and those who are getting theirs from research chem sites have no idea how much is actually in their product... and if it is even stable in whatever concoction they have composing their solvent for any considerable amount of time. Also I have a feeling some companies add small amounts of Clen to make their products seem more legit. Most people in here and other forums compare their “side effects” from various research sites, with no real analytically sound method of comparing doses or other chemicals mixed in. So proceed with caution.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    What do you mean stats? Currently I’m 6 ft 2, 240 lbs, 11% bf. been busy last few months so maybe have made it to the gym once or twice per week. But regardless T3 has variable bioavailability from person to person for several different reasons, and those who are getting theirs from research chem sites have no idea how much is actually in their product... and if it is even stable in whatever concoction they have composing their solvent for any considerable amount of time. Also I have a feeling some companies add small amounts of Clen to make their products seem more legit. Most people in here and other forums compare their “side effects” from various research sites, with no real analytically sound method of comparing doses or other chemicals mixed in. So proceed with caution.
    man I'll never take 150 mcg , but yeah the fact u taking pharma grade t3 at that dose and u are 240 lbs, thats crazy and interesting man.

  25. "Cytomel (T3) Dosage

    The human body naturally endogenously manufactures a T3 dosage of approximately 30mcg per day. Hence, this is why many users who wish to ‘play it safe’ by starting off at a Cytomel dosage of 25mcg per day are actually taking a step backwards in progress rather than moving forwards. T3 doses of 25mcg per day are actually less than is normally manufactured by the human body. This attempt at ‘playing it safe’ by utilizing a very small T3 dosage at the beginning is the result of the fear that has been propagated by individuals among the performance enhancing drug using community that T3 is a very dangerous drug, when in reality it is no more dangerous than most other hormonal drugs, such as anabolic steroids.

    What also needs to be addressed in this profile is the concept of a slow titration upwards (a slow ramping upwards) of T3 doses, which has become an extremely popular practice that is for the most part unnecessary. The claims made by individuals among the performance enhancing drug using community concerning the ramping up of the Cytomel dosage is that the thyroid gland is a very sensitive gland that can potentially become permanently shut down if Cytomel doses are raised either too fast, or too high. These claims, once again, are wrong and are not supported by clinical evidence. For over 2 decades, one of the myths that has persisted in regards to T3 has been the myth of permanent thyroid gland damage.

    The truth and reality of the matter is that the thyroid gland operates just like any other endocrine gland in the human body. The thyroid gland, in fact, has been found to be one of the endocrine glands that possesses the slowest response to the negative feedback loop. It has been found in a couple of particular clinical studies that patients who were placed on T3 for many years had recovered their endogenous thyroid hormone production within a matter of weeks, and in fact some of these patients were administered T3 for thirty years after having been removed from the medication due to being misdiagnosed[1] [2]. All test subjects within the aforementioned clinical studies recovered their thyroid function within very short time periods.

    The study specifically reads,

    The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable. After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal. Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks.Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.1

    Therefore, claims among the athletic and bodybuilding community that T3 can or will cause permanent thyroid gland damage should not be believed at all. These are merely conjecture and rumors that have been developed over the previous 2 decades or so.

    Medical Cytomel (T3) Dosage

    For the treatment of hypothyroidism, the normal medical Cytomel dosage is that of a starting dose of 25mcg per day. Following this, the patient assesses his or her reactions and tolerance to the drug and adjusts their Cytomel dosage by no more than 25mcg per day. The average maintenance T3 doses lie between 25 – 75mcg per day. Once the patient’s desired optimal dose is achieved, this dose remains steadily administered for the remainder of therapy.

    Cytomel (T3) Dosage For Fat Loss

    Bodybuilders and athletes who wish to use T3 for its weight loss and fat loss effects normally begins with a T3 dosage of 25 – 50mcg per day, and tolerance is assessed. Tolerance relates to the experience of metabolism and fat burning effects, as well as the temperature increase associated with it. Every individual will respond in a different manner and a different intensity to any one given Cytomel dosage, so it must be understood that a T3 dose of 50mcg for one individual might elicit steady fat loss, but that same 50mcg dose might not do very much for another.

    100% AnavarOnce tolerance is assessed after remaining at a 50mcg dose for a day or two, the individual should then increase their Cytomel dosage by an additional 25mcg every day (or every other day, depending on the individual’s experience) until a peak optimal dose is achieved. The typical peak dose for most male bodybuilders and athletes tends to lie in the range of 75 – 100mcg per day. Some have even ventured as high as 125mcg per day, though this is on the high end and is not normally recommended.

    Female Cytomel (T3) Dosage

    For the most part, the female response to the effects of Cytomel (T3) is the exact same as the male response. The only major difference in Cytomel dosage for females is that of the difference in body weight and mass. Females tend to be of a lower total size, weight, and body mass than men and therefore may tend to be more sensitive to a given T3 dosage.

    The peak effective dose for most females should be in the range of approximately 50 – 75mcg per day, with 75mcg being at the uppermost high end.

    Proper Administration and Timing of Cytomel (T3) Dosage

    T3 exhibits a half-life of 2.5 days, and it is therefore completely unnecessary to split up T3 doses throughout the day, as ingestion of the complete daily Cytomel dosage in the morning is adequate. It is also not completely necessary to titrate (slowly ramp up) the Cytomel dosage upwards. Initially, for the very first use of T3 for an individual, it is recommended to do so in order to obtain a feel for the compound’s effects as well as to gauge the increasing body heat output, as well as any possible muscle loss.

    Once an individual is aware of his or her full effective peak optimal dose, it is generally not necessary to slowly ramp up T3 doses, and that starting at the known optimal Cytomel dosage should present no issues.

    By the same admission, it is unnecessary to slowly titrate T3 doses downwards at the conclusion of a T3 cycle. The common myth used to be that upon sudden cessation, the thyroid gland can become damaged permanently. This is, once again, simply not true due to the research referenced earlier. It is in fact the best course of action to immediately eliminate all T3 doses at the conclusion of use so as to allow the thyroid hormone to restore function as soon as possible. As long as exogenous thyroid hormones are being administered, the thyroid hormone cannot recover due to the negative feedback loop. This applies even when slowly ramping down Cytomel doses. It is therefore best to cease administration immediately so as to allow function to restore as soon as possible, just as with the use of anabolic steroids.

    Expectations and Results from Cytomel (T3) Dosage

    T3 is a potent stimulator of the body’s metabolism at the cellular level that does not discriminate between the different substrates being utilized for energy (protein, carbohydrates, and fats). Therefore, it is important to understand that the fat loss can sometimes be dramatic, and if T3 is utilized without anabolic steroids beyond a certain dose (approximately more than 50mcg of T3), muscle loss can occur. The greater the T3 dosage, the greater and quicker the muscle loss can occur.

    It is also important for the reader to know and understand that excessive doses of anabolic steroids are absolutely unnecessary for the preservation of muscle during T3 use. A total weekly anabolic steroid use of 300 – 500mg per week (any anabolic steroid) should be more than sufficient for the preservation of muscle and the retention of nitrogen during the use of higher T3 doses. Stronger anabolic steroids such as Trenbolone or Winstrol will stave off muscle loss from T3 at only 200mg per week. The use of excessive anabolic steroid doses merely for the purpose of muscle preservation during T3 use is completely unnecessary."

    [1] Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4 Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

    [2] Patterns off recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis in patients taken of chronic thyroid therapy. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1975 Jul;41(1):70-80 Krugman LG, Hershman JM, Chopra IJ, Levine GA, Pekary E, Geffner DL, Chua Teco GN
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