Best PH cycle for strength

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  1. Msten makes me strong


  2. Ok
    I don't advise it but, CHEQUE DROPS a 17a form of MENT. **** is by far the harsher oral. MIBOLORONE I believe.
    If u hit it safe for 3 weeks b4 aas look out!! Also look out for your California Raisin looking liver after.

    Not for the faint of heart. This is not a milk Thistle fix boys!!! Super strong
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JLaudio1977 View Post
    No offense but why do folks over do the estrogen thing constantly!!!
    These are super dry compounds!
    I hope people understand that eliminating E2 drastically effects your gains. I would never take aromasin etc with Msten or Pheraplex or Superdrol, that is the luxury of these compounds. Other than stopping cold turkey where the hell is the estrogen coming from??
    Please enlighten me
    I said to keep exemestane "on hand." I never said to use it right away. Reason being is that there is always the possibility of estro problems on cycle, even with compounds that dont aromatize; if somebody were to run into this issue, having an aromatize inhibitor on hand would be of great help. To answer your question, estrogen can elevate on cycle due to a drop in shbg, which many steroids can lower.

  4. Sorry bud wasn't trashing u!
    Always have supports available.
    People just jump the gun too quick,

    I'm on MENT and Tren and unless I get itch tit I'll stay clear. Def need caber with Tren tho. But I don't take them unless I catch signs. Estrogen and bulking go hand and hand.
    I see dudes doing Letro and I'm just so confused. Unless you have a lump then Letro and Ralox. Otherwise just grow people

  5. Quote Originally Posted by JLaudio1977 View Post
    Sorry bud wasn't trashing u!
    Always have supports available.
    People just jump the gun too quick,

    I'm on MENT and Tren and unless I get itch tit I'll stay clear. Def need caber with Tren tho. But I don't take them unless I catch signs. Estrogen and bulking go hand and hand.
    I see dudes doing Letro and I'm just so confused. Unless you have a lump then Letro and Ralox. Otherwise just grow people
    Agreed; some people aren't too smart with aromatize inhibitors and will accidentally crush their estro. It's important to wait for symptoms to occur and to start at a small dosage as opposed to taking too much too soon and feeling ****ty haha
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Jglove View Post
    Im currently 3 weeks in on my first PH cycle. Im taking hi-tech superdrol. Been pretty solid so far, no cons yet, decent pros.

    Just curious as to yalls opinions on the best PH's to gain strength
    Eh bud,

    Just my two cents from years & years of experience: I would never touch PH's again, ever.

    I was told by many, many older, more experienced lads then myself that PH's were: A. way overpriced, total waste of money, B. Convoluted, misinformation-labeled ingredients, never truly knowing what you're taking, C. In pill form VERY taxing & hard on the liver, etc.

    I stuck by the "I don't want to use steroids, so I'll just take these "legal" hormones (even though they're NOT anything but AAS themselves repackaged/purposed), ergo avoiding labeling myself, a gear head, much to my own dismay and disservice. I don't want to "encourage" AAS use, but it simply & LITERALLY comes down to this: if you want to do it, do it right, or don't do it at all. Before I took the plunge so to speak, my buddy and I tried two products back in the day (probably nine to ten years ago now), called: "Sostonol 250" and "Trenadrol" (I believe is what they were called), any who, we ran them for the given/specified time and sure as s%$! My friend and I got REALLY bad gyno, along with a few other less than pleasant sides, even WITH proper ancillaries, etc. It was so bad in fact, that I had to go to my PCP and be put on A-dex, then tried some Nolva & Femara... f%&^#[email protected]! crazy dude, and TOTALLY not worth it.

    In retrospect, even besides the unfortunate gyno issue, I would go back and only run AAS through a trusted friend/source; it was completely not worth it: overpriced, toxic stuff that only delivers half-a$$ed results anyways, etc.

    Please take this in stride, I only try to help guys out on here through experience & what not, once again, if you're going to do it, do it right or not at all.

    Hope this helps my man, take care.
    "Ah Drippin' tha' Sauwwrce!"

  7. Quote Originally Posted by batemantx View Post
    Eh bud,

    Just my two cents from years & years of experience: I would never touch PH's again, ever.

    I was told by many, many older, more experienced lads then myself that PH's were: A. way overpriced, total waste of money, B. Convoluted, misinformation-labeled ingredients, never truly knowing what you're taking, C. In pill form VERY taxing & hard on the liver, etc.

    I stuck by the "I don't want to use steroids, so I'll just take these "legal" hormones (even though they're NOT anything but AAS themselves repackaged/purposed), ergo avoiding labeling myself, a gear head, much to my own dismay and disservice. I don't want to "encourage" AAS use, but it simply & LITERALLY comes down to this: if you want to do it, do it right, or don't do it at all. Before I took the plunge so to speak, my buddy and I tried two products back in the day (probably nine to ten years ago now), called: "Sostonol 250" and "Trenadrol" (I believe is what they were called), any who, we ran them for the given/specified time and sure as s%$! My friend and I got REALLY bad gyno, along with a few other less than pleasant sides, even WITH proper ancillaries, etc. It was so bad in fact, that I had to go to my PCP and be put on A-dex, then tried some Nolva & Femara... f%&^#[email protected]! crazy dude, and TOTALLY not worth it.

    In retrospect, even besides the unfortunate gyno issue, I would go back and only run AAS through a trusted friend/source; it was completely not worth it: overpriced, toxic stuff that only delivers half-a$$ed results anyways, etc.

    Please take this in stride, I only try to help guys out on here through experience & what not, once again, if you're going to do it, do it right or not at all.

    Hope this helps my man, take care.
    Yea, a simple test cycle would be a lot simpler and would be easier on the body, but some people are afraid of needles, cant access it, or dont even have the proper understanding of how these things affect us (in which case, they shouldn't even be touching hormonal.) There are some good "prohormones" but a lot of them are misleading and toxic.

  8. None of these Andros are going to give you an acute increase in strength. Some of the sarms out will though (RAD140 or LGD4033)

  9. Havent taken a sarm or researched them enough yet, iv heard about yk11 and mk677. Are they very toxic?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by netflixNchill View Post
    None of these Andros are going to give you an acute increase in strength. Some of the sarms out will though (RAD140 or LGD4033)
    My 1 4 epiandro cycle increased my strength and size ten fold and 8 weeks gave me 15 lean pounds. Strength increased by about 50% in an 8 week time frame and deadlift increased 90 LBS! Strength continued to rise through PCT as well and no gains lost.

    If done right, any cycle will help you break through a plateau. Obviously if you have years of heavy AAS use then lighter cycles such as andros wouldn't produce much results. BUT that doesnt mean they dont work or aren't strong. I was stuck in a plateau after 8 years of steady training and my andro cycle gave me incredible gains at a rapid pace.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by netflixNchill View Post
    None of these Andros are going to give you an acute increase in strength. Some of the sarms out will though (RAD140 or LGD4033)
    I got way stronger on 1 andro than I did lgd.

  12. From personal experience, I've gotten nothing from Andros but some tightness of the skin and "okay-ish" pumps.

    On the sarms Rad and LGD strength exploded about 30lbs on all major lifts within a week

  13. Quote Originally Posted by netflixNchill View Post
    From personal experience, I've gotten nothing from Andros but some tightness of the skin and "okay-ish" pumps.

    On the sarms Rad and LGD strength exploded about 30lbs on all major lifts within a week
    Interesting
    Crazy how we all respond different.
    All I got from lgd was 5lbs.
    No on feeling. No strength.
    I just got a little bigger.
    Very interesting compound.
    I'm on S4 right now.
    Day 10 75mg
    Feel killer. Muscles are popping out.
    But wen I come inside from the sun I'm straight blind for 45 seconds
    Just a big yellow spot.
    Sunglasses really help

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Cgkone View Post
    Interesting
    Crazy how we all respond different.
    All I got from lgd was 5lbs.
    No on feeling. No strength.
    I just got a little bigger.
    Very interesting compound.
    I'm on S4 right now.
    Day 10 75mg
    Feel killer. Muscles are popping out.
    But wen I come inside from the sun I'm straight blind for 45 seconds
    Just a big yellow spot.
    Sunglasses really help
    Who's s4?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by netflixNchill View Post
    Who's s4?
    BPU

  16. What would be a good dosage for the msten? I was just reading on it and one place said 4-8mg a day the first week then 8-12 for 2 weeks and 12-16 on 4th week.
    Is it something you wouldnt want to go more than 4 weeks on?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Jglove View Post
    What would be a good dosage for the msten? I was just reading on it and one place said 4-8mg a day the first week then 8-12 for 2 weeks and 12-16 on 4th week.
    Is it something you wouldnt want to go more than 4 weeks on?
    You can run 5 weeks
    I went right to 12.5 mg
    I was surprised how much I liked Msten.
    Loved it actually.
    But I was also on test so a lot of sides aren't present.
    Actually I had zero sides at 12.5.
    I bumped to 25 mg and had back cramps so I stayed at 12.5

  18. So im thinking i would take around 12mg M-sten for the 4 weeks (adjust it according to how i react) apx 500mg tudca a day and Fish oil supp. Pct would be clomid along with a good test booster. Questions are what test booster should I use and is there anything else you guys think I would need or anything I should change.

    ****Not doing this anyy time soon. Just spit balling for the future***

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Jglove View Post
    So im thinking i would take around 12mg M-sten for the 4 weeks (adjust it according to how i react) apx 500mg tudca a day and Fish oil supp. Pct would be clomid along with a good test booster. Questions are what test booster should I use and is there anything else you guys think I would need or anything I should change.

    ****Not doing this anyy time soon. Just spit balling for the future***
    Get nanodrol and run it 15mg a day. Its not worth risking getting some bunk ****. Run an all in one cycle support with the tudca. Make sure your clomid is real; either go pharma or ugl.

  20. Where could I find legit nano?
    I got my clomid for my current cycle at enhanced chemicals, everyone said they are g2g

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jglove View Post
    Where could I find legit nano?
    I got my clomid for my current cycle at enhanced chemicals, everyone said they are g2g
    Predatornutrition, they are a board sponsor here and I've never seen someone let down by them. I've had bad experience with "research grade" so I refuse to touch them; I'd play it safe in the future and do some looking around for reputable pharma grade or even ugl.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jglove View Post
    Where could I find legit nano?
    I got my clomid for my current cycle at enhanced chemicals, everyone said they are g2g
    I'm not sure about enhanced chemicals.
    I am sure we got PRE reps on this site.
    I've got stuff from PRE and its legit.
    Gots its own section in the anabolic forums.
    Their Clomid would be g2g.
    I would run 4andro with that Msten at least.
    That way you'll have real test in your body.
    A test booster can't boost test production if your body isn't producing.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Cgkone View Post
    I'm not sure about enhanced chemicals.
    I am sure we got PRE reps on this site.
    I've got stuff from PRE and its legit.
    Gots its own section in the anabolic forums.
    Their Clomid would be g2g.
    I would run 4andro with that Msten at least.
    That way you'll have real test in your body.
    A test booster can't boost test production if your body isn't producing.
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  24. That dosage is very high bro! May be reason for bad vision sides.
  25. Best PH cycle for strength


    Quote Originally Posted by Cgkone View Post
    BPU
    Took me a minute and seeing your comment to realize he didnít ask for WHO s4 was (as in a person). Time to go to sleep? Lol

    To OP Iíd say the best oral Iíve used for strength and size was 6 (actually just under 7 weeks) weeks of halodrol. Next best was epistane. To be clear the strength in halodrol really didnít hit till end of week 3 but size was consistent throughout.

    This is my opinion in comparison to my using: LGD, RAD, ostarine, superdrol, pmag, dbol, stanozol, azinol, built PENTA (blend of PHs). Iíve used more but I canít remember the few Iíve forgotten lol
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