Test Booster vs Clomid

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I'm considering a Natty Test Booster cycle stack, but have also been reading on the effects of Clomid on both total testosterone and free testosterone.
My current levels are
TT=206ng/dl
FT=2.75ng/dl
Which is well below normal levels and even after 8 months the doctors over here in the UK refuse to treat it.

SO, for the best chances at raising my Testosterone levels and improving my quality of life
Do I go with the Sup3r-PCT+AlphaMax XT Natty Test Booster run OR do I go with 25mg of Clomid ED?

Thank you and Reps for responses and replies :)
 
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Clomid seems like the pretty obvious answer if you're main goal is for increasing test levels.
 
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Clinic would be the cheaper route. I ran a cycle of 1andro,4andro and epiandro I was stronger and felt better on the clomid than the whole time I was on the pro's
 

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Neither. Enclomiphene, if you can source it.
I looked at Enclomiphene vs Clomid but Enclomiphene has more suppressive effects on IGF-1 than standard Clomid. Still a consideration though. Have you tried Clomid or Enclomiphene?
 
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I looked at Enclomiphene vs Clomid but Enclomiphene has more suppressive effects on IGF-1 than standard Clomid. Still a consideration though. Have you tried Clomid or Enclomiphene?
Interesting, the studies Ive seen (men) seem to indicate pretty similiar reductions? From memory CC is also being investigated to treat acromegaly. Have you read something which more specifically assesses the two compounds in this regard?

I have used CC before, found it pretty good. I wouldve loved to have compared it to EC though, which certainly looks better in te studiez/on paper.
 
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Clomid is definitely something to consider as a hrt treatment. I'd try and find a reputable hrt clinic or endocrinologist to help you with this. If you cant find a physician to help you, then maybe do some research yourself to find out how to do it safely and effectively yourself.
 

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I have used CC before, found it pretty good. I wouldve loved to have compared it to EC though, which certainly looks better in te studiez/on paper.
Don't get me wrong, EC definitely looks good but from what I've been reading over the past few weeks Clomid just seems like the more Tried, Tested and True compound.
Have you ever used Clomid solo?

Yes, I've used Clomid and Nolva. Clomid gives me horrible headaches though.
At what dose were you getting headaches?
Have you noticed any other side effects from Clomid?

Clomid is definitely something to consider as a hrt treatment. I'd try and find a reputable hrt clinic or endocrinologist to help you with this. If you cant find a physician to help you, then maybe do some research yourself to find out how to do it safely and effectively yourself.
I've already tried to find a private Endo/HRT physician, but the prices are insane and well out of my reach. I was first diagnosed with low testosterone nearly three years ago and the doctors have just fobbed me off constantly, so I'm going to try and fix the problem myself.

I'm just looking for some real life experiences and advice from people who have actually used Clomid as a means to increase testosterone.
 
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The headaches were awful at 50mg and got a little better after dropping to 25mg. I didn't get them as often but it was still daily. No other noticeable side effects.
 

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The headaches were awful at 50mg and got a little better after dropping to 25mg. I didn't get them as often but it was still daily. No other noticeable side effects.
What were your most notable benefits from running Clomid?
 
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OTC testboosters are good for those within a normal range. As much as I enjoy AlphaMax XT, M-Test, etc. these products will not get you to normal levels. Yes, clomid can help and that would be a better option, although I do not know if it will get you to a normal range or not. Have you ever thought about a low dose of testosterone, essentially your own TRT?

I would also seek another doctor. It sounds like the one you are currently seeing does not know what (s)he is doing.
 
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I'm considering a Natty Test Booster cycle stack, but have also been reading on the effects of Clomid on both total testosterone and free testosterone.
My current levels are
TT=206ng/dl
FT=2.75ng/dl
Which is well below normal levels and even after 8 months the doctors over here in the UK refuse to treat it.

SO, for the best chances at raising my Testosterone levels and improving my quality of life
Do I go with the Sup3r-PCT+AlphaMax XT Natty Test Booster run OR do I go with 25mg of Clomid ED?

Thank you and Reps for responses and replies :)
Take it for what it's worth, as I hope I can only be insightful and help a fellow AM's brethren out, but I would & will not take Clomid EVER AGAIN, period.

I am a seasoned AAS Vet., and was "warned" by a plethora of peeps. that Clomids psychological effects can be quite extreme; I will liken it to Tren. Ace. if that makes sense. However, those two compounds will present their respective psych. "issues" differently. While Tren. Ace. provides some pretty heavy aggression and the like, Clomid is known to bring about HEAVY depression and anxiety, and to a lesser extent, but present, (SI) suicidal ideation.

I implore you to seriously consider that, if you haven't delved into the higher doses of Clomid, etc. as of yet. I threw caution to the wind as I normally did back then (ten years or so ago, when I was in my 20's), when you think you're ten foot tall & bulletproof. Yes, everyone/every-BODY is different, but I was one of those folks it hit f&%^$#! HARD, s&!@ was seriously crazy. I also have a Marine Corps background, so it's not as if I have a weak mind state, s&!@ was weird for sure.

There are many other compounds out there to do what you're looking for. I realize one of the favorite PCT's of most, is the heavily-touted: Nolva/Clomid line-up, but I can assure you, there are other avenues that will yield fantastic results all the same.

As I said in the aforementioned, to each his own, but I hope I was at least able to provide some experience and knowledge to allow you to make a more informed decision, etc.

Take care & good luck in your endeavors!
 

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OTC testboosters are good for those within a normal range. As much as I enjoy AlphaMax XT, M-Test, etc. these products will not get you to normal levels. Yes, clomid can help and that would be a better option, although I do not know if it will get you to a normal range or not. Have you ever thought about a low dose of testosterone, essentially your own TRT?

I would also seek another doctor. It sounds like the one you are currently seeing does not know what (s)he is doing.
I get NHS bloods drawn every 12 weeks and my own privately paid for blood work done every 8 weeks, so I will have to judge the effectiveness via the results and adjust accordingly.
I have considered a self prescribed 2x80mg per week of Test Cypionate, but that will be a very last resort option.
 

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While some of the things mentioned here might work, the safest and probably cheapest thing to do is get a new Dr. You are well under the normal range, leaving you at increased risk of depression and ischaemic heart disease. To leave this untreated for a prolonged period is incompetence. If your Dr didn't know how to treat this, then they could have referred you to an endocrinologist.
 
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I have been on Clomid (first time) for PCT...one week left! I have definitely been more depressed since starting, and have been completely negative. Couple that with the lethargy from the MK-677 I have been taking, and I am virtually worthless. My plan was to continue low dose Clomid for test boosting purposes, but now I am not so sure.

Does anyone know why one could not take low dose Torem or Nolvadex for test boosting purposes? I tolerate those (especially Torem) infinity better. All I could find is that Torem and a Nolvadex are harsher on the liver than Clomid. Therefore they are not the recommended "go to" for long term low dosing as a test boosting TRT alternative...

Anyone have any further info?
 

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Clomid does work and there is a decent boost in test from very low doses - 12.5mg every day or e2d.
Nolva decreases IGF-1 so is best avoided outside PCT
 

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While some of the things mentioned here might work, the safest and probably cheapest thing to do is get a new Dr. You are well under the normal range, leaving you at increased risk of depression and ischaemic heart disease. To leave this untreated for a prolonged period is incompetence. If your Dr didn't know how to treat this, then they could have referred you to an endocrinologist.
I've seen SO many different doctors and specialists over the years it's ridiculous. I've been through several endocrinologists and still, nothing. They just keep repeating the same lines of,
"Let's just wait"
and
"It's not low enough for concern or to be considered for replacement therapy"
Or
"You're too young to be considered for medical intervention treatment"

Private doctors over here are way out of my financial reach, so I'm just going to have to self medicate and just adjust things in relation to blood work results.
 

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I've seen SO many different doctors and specialists over the years it's ridiculous. I've been through several endocrinologists and still, nothing. They just keep repeating the same lines of,
"Let's just wait"
and
"It's not low enough for concern or to be considered for replacement therapy"
Or
"You're too young to be considered for medical intervention treatment"

Private doctors over here are way out of my financial reach, so I'm just going to have to self medicate and just adjust things in relation to blood work results.
I sympathize with you. Dr's in the UK aren't fully up to speed on this and don't appreciate that they are neglecting you and increasing your likely hood of illness.

In your position I would go to a new GP and complain of tiredness, lethargy and depression with low libido. If necessary get a referral to a psychiatrist and tell him your symptoms (as abovr) and that you have a low test level.

I'm in the UK too. I also went to medical school. Some of my colleagues are idiots.
 
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Clomid does work and there is a decent boost in test from very low doses - 12.5mg every day or e2d.
Nolva decreases IGF-1 so is best avoided outside PCT
Thanks for your reply...

It is also said that Clomid reduces IGF-1 production too though..
 
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I have been on Clomid (first time) for PCT...one week left! I have definitely been more depressed since starting, and have been completely negative. Couple that with the lethargy from the MK-677 I have been taking, and I am virtually worthless. My plan was to continue low dose Clomid for test boosting purposes, but now I am not so sure.

Does anyone know why one could not take low dose Torem or Nolvadex for test boosting purposes? I tolerate those (especially Torem) infinity better. All I could find is that Torem and a Nolvadex are harsher on the liver than Clomid. Therefore they are not the recommended "go to" for long term low dosing as a test boosting TRT alternative...

Anyone have any further info?
Yup, just as I said.

There are many other options available to people, not just Clomid. Looking back on it, I still can't believe it had such a pronounced effect on my overall attitude & mindset, s%$! was crazy.
 

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I sympathize with you. Dr's in the UK aren't fully up to speed on this and don't appreciate that they are neglecting you and increasing your likely hood of illness.

In your position I would go to a new GP and complain of tiredness, lethargy and depression with low libido. If necessary get a referral to a psychiatrist and tell him your symptoms (as abovr) and that you have a low test level.
I've transferred through three GP's and I've already been passed through the shrinks and CBT referrals. But unfortunately no matter which NHS GP you go to, the referral routes and specialist end points are always the same.
 

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I've transferred through three GP's and I've already been passed through the shrinks and CBT referrals. But unfortunately no matter which NHS GP you go to, the referral routes and specialist end points are always the same.
That is really **** mate, and while I am exceptionally proud of the NHS, this is one area in which it is am embarrassment.

There is guidance from the British society of sexual health on the treatment of hypogonadism. A level below 230ng/ml is extremely likely to benefit from TRT. You should probably read though their guide available from:-
http://www.bssm.org.uk/

or direct download from:-
http://paolobroccardo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/UK_Guidelines_Androgens_Male_2010.pdf

If in the UK this page might be a starting point for further investigation:-
https://www.stedavies.com/trt-uk/

In your position now I would download the BSSM guideline and take it in to your GP to discuss it. If your levels are consistently below 230 they are neglecting you.
 

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That is really **** mate, and while I am exceptionally proud of the NHS, this is one area in which it is am embarrassment.

There is guidance from the British society of sexual health on the treatment of hypogonadism. A level below 230ng/ml is extremely likely to benefit from TRT. You should probably read though their guide available from:-
http://www.bssm.org.uk/

or direct download from:-
http://paolobroccardo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/UK_Guidelines_Androgens_Male_2010.pdf

If in the UK this page might be a starting point for further investigation:-
https://www.stedavies.com/trt-uk/

In your position now I would download the BSSM guideline and take it in to your GP to discuss it. If your levels are consistently below 230 they are neglecting you.
The NHS is absolutely amazing and considering how underfunded they are provide an outstanding service. But yes, their guidelines and restrictions on things like this are embarrassing. 206ng/dl is the second highest level I've had in these three years but I am also taking Forskolin, extra Vitamin D, Zinc, Magnesium etc. But again, these extra vitamins and natty supps will only get me so far.
Thanks for the links, I've already been through the BSSM. They were very helpful but my endocrinologist put the blockers on their recommended TestoGel treatment.

I'm going to MediChecks next week to get my Bi-Monthly Blood panels and then start on the 25mg ED of Clomid + OL's Sup3r-PCT run. I might actually run a log, including bloods, if anybody might be interested?
 

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The NHS is absolutely amazing and considering how underfunded they are provide an outstanding service. But yes, their guidelines and restrictions on things like this are embarrassing. 206ng/dl is the second highest level I've had in these three years but I am also taking Forskolin, extra Vitamin D, Zinc, Magnesium etc. But again, these extra vitamins and natty supps will only get me so far.
Thanks for the links, I've already been through the BSSM. They were very helpful but my endocrinologist put the blockers on their recommended TestoGel treatment.

I'm going to MediChecks next week to get my Bi-Monthly Blood panels and then start on the 25mg ED of Clomid + OL's Sup3r-PCT run. I might actually run a log, including bloods, if anybody might be interested?
What was the reason for putting a block on?
 

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The NHS is absolutely amazing and considering how underfunded they are provide an outstanding service. But yes, their guidelines and restrictions on things like this are embarrassing. 206ng/dl is the second highest level I've had in these three years but I am also taking Forskolin, extra Vitamin D, Zinc, Magnesium etc. But again, these extra vitamins and natty supps will only get me so far.
Thanks for the links, I've already been through the BSSM. They were very helpful but my endocrinologist put the blockers on their recommended TestoGel treatment.

I'm going to MediChecks next week to get my Bi-Monthly Blood panels and then start on the 25mg ED of Clomid + OL's Sup3r-PCT run. I might actually run a log, including bloods, if anybody might be interested?
What was the reason for putting a block on?
 

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What was the reason for putting a block on?
Via her usual "reasoning" of that my level at the time (167ng/dl) wasn't low enough to cause overall health concerns. Baring in mind that at the time I was being treated for bone density and cholesterol metabolism issues, depression and fatigue. And when I asked for a second opinion it was denied.
 

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Via her usual "reasoning" of that my level at the time (167ng/dl) wasn't low enough to cause overall health concerns. Baring in mind that at the time I was being treated for bone density and cholesterol metabolism issues, depression and fatigue. And when I asked for a second opinion it was denied.
It seems obvious that this low a level is at least partially responsible for your symptoms. Does your GP know you have used suppressible drugs/supps? A few can be quiet opinionated and prejudiced.

It is possible to complain about your GP if you believe your treatment is inadequate, either via the GP practice complaints procedure, or via NHS england
 

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It seems obvious that this low a level is at least partially responsible for your symptoms. Does your GP know you have used suppressible drugs/supps? A few can be quiet opinionated and prejudiced.

It is possible to complain about your GP if you believe your treatment is inadequate, either via the GP practice complaints procedure, or via NHS england
I haven't used any suppressive drugs or supplements, I just have naturally low testosterone. I complained about my my last two GP's under the medical neglect form, that's how I got the transfer to my current GP.
 

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What on earth are they playing at?
It seems like systematic incompetence
 

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What on earth are they playing at?
It seems like systematic incompetence
This is why I'm just going to have to do this myself. I've had three years of being messed around and fobbed off, enough is enough... Just gotta find some legit Clomid now haha
 

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Most OTC Test boosters are waste of money
I have tried plenty and only one I like is DAA
To the OP , have you considered 6-OXO ?
 

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I don't think the evidence for 6-oxo is very good. Clomid should work even in very small quantities. 12.5mg eod would be a good starting point
 

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Most OTC Test boosters are waste of money
I have tried plenty and only one I like is DAA
To the OP , have you considered 6-OXO ?
I can see how it could help to boost testosterone levels but my estrogen levels are only just above normal range, so I don't think I'm really looking for an AI at the moment.
 
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Subbed. I'd be really interested in seeing your log of bloods etc if you decide to go with it. Good luck
 
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I use clomid twice a week 25mg 25mg with my trt, keep my balls big and working. Now, clomid everyday i do not have lots of experiences but i did some PCT with it, maybe depression and low libido was the sides i had(these sides taking clomid every day)
 
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I use clomid twice a week 25mg 25mg with my trt, keep my balls big and working. Now, clomid everyday i do not have lots of experiences but i did some PCT with it, maybe depression and low libido was the sides i had(these sides taking clomid every day)
Why not hcg?
 

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I just have this feeling, that if you tell them you want TRT, and be firm, you will get it Test Cyp prescribed. Since you're in the UK I would still just try to get some AAS and do self administration. Worst thing that will happen is if you are prone to MPB that will follow through, but FUE hair transplants are perfected now, so that's not an issue. If anything man stop being passive at the doctor and get f%^&( pissed. This is your life. Make it awkward for your doctor to NOT do something about it. Be Fed up. My doctor in the US wouldn't check my test levels and estrodiol etc, and I told her I Appreciate her opinion, but I would like you to order my blood work please.

Another time my doctor always told me to "wait off" injuries and sprains, but after a year of BS lifts in the gym, and a back sprain that wouldn't get better, I went in there and demanded something be done now, I had waited long enough. Gave me 3 steroids in my back and was better than NEW in 3 days. It's all about how you carry yourself.

Honestly, the decision is easier for you as you likely will need TRT eventually, as it seems you're scraping by now. Test levels only go down once you get older, and that drop off happens whether you think ti will or not. I would just enjoy your youth, hop on TRT and get that energy. You'll feel great. The difference between test levels at 300, and 500 were very noticeable for me.
 

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I just have this feeling, that if you tell them you want TRT, and be firm, you will get it Test Cyp prescribed. Since you're in the UK I would still just try to get some AAS and do self administration. Worst thing that will happen is if you are prone to MPB that will follow through, but FUE hair transplants are perfected now, so that's not an issue. If anything man stop being passive at the doctor and get f%^&( pissed. This is your life. Make it awkward for your doctor to NOT do something about it. Be Fed up. My doctor in the US wouldn't check my test levels and estrodiol etc, and I told her I Appreciate her opinion, but I would like you to order my blood work please.

Another time my doctor always told me to "wait off" injuries and sprains, but after a year of BS lifts in the gym, and a back sprain that wouldn't get better, I went in there and demanded something be done now, I had waited long enough. Gave me 3 steroids in my back and was better than NEW in 3 days. It's all about how you carry yourself.

Honestly, the decision is easier for you as you likely will need TRT eventually, as it seems you're scraping by now. Test levels only go down once you get older, and that drop off happens whether you think ti will or not. I would just enjoy your youth, hop on TRT and get that energy. You'll feel great. The difference between test levels at 300, and 500 were very noticeable for me.
I've been "Assertive" with doctors in the past, I've actually lost my sh*t a few times and blown off in the offices.
I've seriously considered self prescribed TRT at 80mg of Test C twice per week to a point where I actually ordered a vial and the needles, I just can't pin myself...And believe me I'VE f*cking tried! That's why I'm trying the oral TRT route of Natty Test Booster+Pharma SERM to see where that gets me
 

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Have you looked into toremifene? Worked great after a sarm cycle when suppression effects were Definitely noticeable. Didn't have any sides and after 6 weeks of gradual weaning down to 30mg,felt better than ever. Just have to find a reputable UGL for quality raws
 

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Clomid on monday and thursday is an easier protocol and it is working so far. Also, i have pharma grade clomid access.
How long have you been using Clomid for? Are you using it just for the Testosterone Boosting benefits or PCT?

Have you looked into toremifene? Worked great after a sarm cycle when suppression effects were Definitely noticeable. Didn't have any sides and after 6 weeks of gradual weaning down to 30mg,felt better than ever. Just have to find a reputable UGL for quality raws
I've looked for Torem but no one that I trust seems to have access to the pharma stuff and I wont go near RX. Clomid seems to be the more Tried, Tested and True compound for Test Boosting anyway.
 
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How long have you been using Clomid for? Are you using it just for the Testosterone Boosting benefits or PCT?



I've looked for Torem but no one that I trust seems to have access to the pharma stuff and I wont go near RX. Clomid seems to be the more Tried, Tested and True compound for Test Boosting anyway.
I intend to keep trt for life. The clomid is just keeping my balls big, lol.
 

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Why should they ?

Musculinity is offensive these days , femininity is the goal
 

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