1/4 andro stack

[Chodamon]

Hey everyone,

This is my first post and since this is regarding my overall health I decided to ask the members on what they think of this cycle.

So in about a month I will be turning 36 and I've decided to try out PHs.

I went with 1/4 andro from OL. Also purchased Ar1macare for on cycle support, Sup3r PCT to run alongside clomid, my PCT. I will also be taking my multi v's, glucosamine w/chondroitin and milk thistle. I've decided to reset my workout and get back to the basics with starting strength then into the texas method.

Stats: 35 yrs old, 5'9", 164lbs, BF: 15-18%, Currently on a keto diet (aiming at 3200kcal starting Oct 1), 15 years on and off training (later years more on power lifting), Squat: 335 1rm, Bench: 240 3rm, Deadlift: 335 2rm.

Found this 1+4 Andro stack log(csline) and will use it:

Week 1:
1-andro - 2/2/2/2/2/2/3
4-andro -
Cycle Supp -

Week 2:
1-andro - 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
4-andro - 1/1/1/1/1/1/1
Cycle Supp - 3/3/3/3/3/3/3

Week 3:
1-andro - 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
4-andro - 1/1/1/2/2/2/2
Cycle Supp - 4/4/4/4/4/4/4

Week 4:
1-andro - 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
4-andro - 2/2/2/2/2/2/2
Cycle Supp - 4/4/4/4/5/5/5

Week 5:
1-andro - 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
4-andro - 2/2/2/2/2/2/2
Cycle Supp - 5/5/5/5/5/5/5
PCT - 1/1/1/1/1/1/1

Week 6:
1-andro - 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
4-andro - 2/2/2/2/2/2/2
Cycle Supp - 5/5/5/5/5/5/5
PCT - 1/1/1/1/1/1/1

Week 7:
Clomid - 100/75/50/50/50/50/50
PCT - 2/2/2/2/2/2/2

Week 8:
Clomid - 50/50/50/50/50/50/50
PCT - 2/2/2/2/2/2/2

Week 9:
Clomid - 25/25/25/25/25/25/25
PCT - 1/1/1/1/1/1/1

Week 10:
Clomid - 25/25/25/25/25/25/25


I would appreciate any comments/advise on this cycle, training and if I left anything out.

Also, did anyone have any rage while on this stack?

Thanks.

 

[Chasingtails]

You have all the necessary ingredients, but I would strongly recommend running the andros for a full 8 weeks. I just finished a similar (but higher dosed) stack, and **** was really going at 6 weeks.

Roid rage isn't a thing focused aggression is good. I didn't have any issues and I was using 1200 mg of epiandro on top of 1&4

 

[Chodamon]

Thanks bro. I'll order some more. I was worried because I read that it increases aggression, with the 4-andro, and I deal with annoying people for work and half my day is spent driving in traffic ��

 

[Chasingtails]

Thanks bro. I'll order some more. I was worried because I read that it increases aggression, with the 4-andro, and I deal with annoying people for work and half my day is spent driving in traffic ��

You bet man. Also, your clomid dose is much higher than necessary. 50/50/25/25 is normal, but some even do 25/25/25/12.5/12.5. I chose the first route and my boys were plumping back up after about 8 days

 

[Chodamon]

Ok, I will adjust the PCT dosage to what you recommended. Glad to hear the boys were back in operation! Thanks again for the input bro!

 

[Chasingtails]

You bet. The only other thing I'd say is that you should be prepared to up your 4 andro dose as the cycle progresses to offset the 1 lethargy. The way you've set the cycle up accounts for that, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some extra 4 just in case

 

[Chodamon]

Is thit lethargy from the 1 that bad? I work six 12 hour days at the moment, that's why I was planning this cycle in October hoping there would be a change in my hours and also seeing the doc for annual physical and blood work.

Would you say the lethargy kicks in later in the day and I should take the 4 at around before it sets in?

 

[DennisC1986]

what dosage of 4 were you on?

 

[Chasingtails]

I never had any lethargy issues to speak of, but I was taking 550 mgs of 4 and 1200 mgs of epiandro a day (on top of 550 mgs of 1). I only mentioned that because it seems to be a common side effect for people. Apart from a BP spike and loss of libido in week 8, I had no side effects from this cycle

Re. dosing times: I believe the half life of these is between 6-8 hours. So your dosing should follow that timeline roughly. I was taking 1 pill preworkout at 4:15am, 1 pill with breakfast at 7:30, 1 with lunch at 12:30ish, and 1 with dinner around 7:00. When I went past 4 pills, I just added them preworkout

 

[Chodamon]

Alright so I'll play it by ear. If I notice lethargy, no more than usual from my daily grind I'll start adding 1 more 4 as I go.
Bro, thanks again!

 

[DennisC1986]

I never had any lethargy issues to speak of, but I was taking 550 mgs of 4 and 1200 mgs of epiandro a day (on top of 550 mgs of 1). I only mentioned that because it seems to be a common side effect for people. Apart from a BP spike and loss of libido in week 8, I had no side effects from this cycle

Re. dosing times: I believe the half life of these is between 6-8 hours. So your dosing should follow that timeline roughly. I was taking 1 pill preworkout at 4:15am, 1 pill with breakfast at 7:30, 1 with lunch at 12:30ish, and 1 with dinner around 7:00. When I went past 4 pills, I just added them preworkout

So what are your thoughts regarding the epi andro? Is it like the 1 and 4 in that it needs to be taken steadily and build up in your system, or could I just take one large dose every day pre workout? Or does it not work that way

 

[Chodamon]

I believe you shouldn't take it all at once. Like Chasingtails mentioned, the pills have a half life. So it'll stay in your system for a set amount of hours. In timing your doses, you'll be able to have a constant and steady amount in your system.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Chasingtails]

I actually broke that rule with the epiandro. I was taking 900 mgs preworkout and 300 mgs later in the afternoon. I justified it because I was also using an androsterone TD. Androsterone and epiandro both convert to DHT (via different receptors), so I wasn't worried about my blood levels slacking off based on the continuous absorption of the TD. I loved the epi preworkout though, and I honestly can't imagine running another cycle without it

 

[DennisC1986]

Thanks man. I get that, but maybe I didn't phrase my question the right way. Say if I take 1000 mgs a day split up, but if I take 500 of those pre workouts, is the uptake fast enough that I'll see a noticeable difference rather than just taking 250 an hour before I work out? To be brutally honest, I was also thinking about being with my girl and how an extra dose might affect me in that department.

 

[DennisC1986]

Oops looks like you replied while I was writing that

 

[Chodamon]

So after the 4 weeks of PCT, should I continue to take the OTC PCT? And if so how long?
Also what is the time frame to wait to start a second cycle and what cycle would you recommend?

 

[Chasingtails]

DennisC1986 Ha no worries! 900 was honestly the sweet spot for me PWO, but that's because I didn't personally get a lot out of 600. That said, plenty of people have success at 5-600, I'm just one for overindulgence.

As far as being with your girl, get some cialis. Your dick and your blood pressure will thank you for it

 

[Chasingtails]

So after the 4 weeks of PCT, should I continue to take the OTC PCT? And if so how long?
Also what is the time frame to wait to start a second cycle and what cycle would you recommend?

1. The otc ptc question is completely your call. Some people swear by them, others say they don't do anything other than provide a little libido boost. I'm currently taking clomid and kings blood for my four week pct. If you wanted to go another month, you could but I'm not sure how cost effective it is.

2. Time on cycle + PCT = time off cycle. Period. So, 8 week andro cycle with 4 week PCT takes you out of the game for three months after the conclusion of PCT.

 

[Chodamon]

Great. I can't wait to start. Thanks again for the input and advice.

 

[Chodamon]

So I’m at the middle of my 4th week. I don’t know if it’s the 1 or my hours but I feel very tired. I will up the 4 to 3 a day. Overall I went from 165-168 lbs and currently at 178-179 lbs. I don’t know if it’s from getting off the keto and back on carbs. Strength hasn’t increased much yet, I did hit a new PR on DLs, 350x1x1x1. My muscles feel full and hard. My girl asked me if I was on steroids so I can’t wait to see what I’ll look and feel like at the end of week 8.
Also when I start my 2nd cycle after time off and get back into homeostasis I was thinking of running a epi and 1 stack.
Any thoughts?

 

[Whisky]

So I’m at the middle of my 4th week. I don’t know if it’s the 1 or my hours but I feel very tired. I will up the 4 to 3 a day. Overall I went from 165-168 lbs and currently at 178-179 lbs. I don’t know if it’s from getting off the keto and back on carbs. Strength hasn’t increased much yet, I did hit a new PR on DLs, 350x1x1x1. My muscles feel full and hard. My girl asked me if I was on steroids so I can’t wait to see what I’ll look and feel like at the end of week 8.
Also when I start my 2nd cycle after time off and get back into homeostasis I was thinking of running a epi and 1 stack.
Any thoughts?

Epistane or epiandro bro?

Was reading the thread as I’m a week and a half into my first cycle 1/4/epiandro Chasingtails is right about the epiandro - loving that ****.

I started at 340/340/700 but upped the epi to 1000 after a week. Lethargy has been there but not crazy bad. I drink a lot of coffee which helps.

How’s your body fat? Is the weight gain all lean?

To be honest I’m starting to feel it a bit this week so if **** only really gets going after 4 weeks it’s going to be good times lol

 

[Nac]

When you get to PCT Id recommend not running clomid above 50mg. Its entirely unnecessary and will potentially only create issues.

 

[Chodamon]

Sorry, epiandro. Was thinking either OL or Hard Rock for the next cycle which I’ll start 4/2018.
Yea I can’t wait to try the epiandro. Do you use a pwo when on the epi?
Body fat is about the same maybe increase a little as I went from no carbs to full blown carb feast. But I’m going to straighten out my macros.

 

[Whisky]

Sorry, epiandro. Was thinking either OL or Hard Rock for the next cycle which I’ll start 4/2018.
Yea I can’t wait to try the epiandro. Do you use a pwo when on the epi?
Body fat is about the same maybe increase a little as I went from no carbs to full blown carb feast. But I’m going to straighten out my macros.

I’m still using a pwo but I’m only dosing 500mg of the 1000 pre work out (using Cerberus from spartan which is an all in one and topping up the epi is limits me a little on timing options) - that said I can imagine I’d have no problems without the pwo, feel it pretty much instantly and just want to throw weights around after dosing. 700 or something pre workout and that’s defo all I’d need.

Any reason your just thinking 1 & epiandro next? Think that’d be pretty dry and the lethargy pretty bad?

 

[Chodamon]

Ok. Thanks for the heads up bro. I’ll definitely change it.

 

[Whisky]

Ok. Thanks for the heads up bro. I’ll definitely change it.

I’m really enjoying 1 , 4 & epiandro with mk677 at the moment. Seems fairly mild if you don’t want to push it too much.....

Good luck with the rest of your current run anyway bro

 

[Whisky]

Re. dosing times: I believe the half life of these is between 6-8 hours. So your dosing should follow that timeline roughly. I was taking 1 pill preworkout at 4:15am, 1 pill with breakfast at 7:30, 1 with lunch at 12:30ish, and 1 with dinner around 7:00. When I went past 4 pills, I just added them preworkout

Sorry to hijack this thread but on dosing times.....I’m currently dosing with breakfast (after fasted cardio around 10), pre workout (around 2) and my evening meal (around 7pm) - if the half life is 6-8 hours am I leaving gains on the table overnight with what can be 12 hours plus between dosing? I am taking 12.5mg mk677 pre bed but should I be getting my last 1/4/epi dose in a few hours later?