proviron only cycle

[maxdarsinos]

hi to you all!
i heard that running a 4 week cycle with proviron only can help maintain a dry look and may help my libido.
i dont want any "gains" . i am well aware that a solo run wont give anything apart from libido or drying up a bit.
my question is how much dosage for a 4 week run? 100mg a day? is it suppresive? will i need pct?
thanks!!

 

[Chados]

Always use a pct. I don't even think proviron I worth running to be honest, maybe in a stack but not alone

 

[Smont]

Sounds like Cialis is more suitable for your goals

 

[maxdarsinos]

Sounds like Cialis is more suitable for your goals

Cut the crap..

 

[Chados]

Cut the crap..

I'd rather go primo/winstrol and if I wanted to go for a perhaps safer oral anavar. But you kinda want a test base. I think he was being sarcastic due to proviron being kinda bad as a stand alone but I might be wrong

 

[Smont]

Cut the crap..

It's serious not a joke. Your not looking for gains but you want a boost In the bedroom and to tighten up. Cialis at low doses for bodybuilding purpose will give great pumps in the gym and bedroom.

 

[Smont]

Proviron only cycle is pointless

 

[maxdarsinos]

Proviron only cycle is pointless

I ve read that at 100mg doses it works slightly like a AI. It may help me dry yp a bit. Its very cheap here in greece so i dont care about the price factor. Anavar needs pct and on cycle support and i do t want to spend that much.

 

[Smont]

At 100mg how do you know it's not suppressive?

 

[Chados]

Winstrol isn't expensive and in my opinion way better as a hardener than var. to be honest they all should have pct.

 

[maxdarsinos]

At 100mg how do you know it's not suppressive?

I dont. According to other posts

 

[hamdysayed]

I ve read that at 100mg doses it works slightly like a AI. It may help me dry yp a bit. Its very cheap here in greece so i dont care about the price factor. Anavar needs pct and on cycle support and i do t want to spend that much.

what anabolics y'all have available in Greece ?
do you get that stuff over the counter ?

 

[maxdarsinos]

what anabolics y'all have available in Greece ?
do you get that stuff over the counter ?

I dont know about others but pharmaceutical grade proviron costs only 3 euros here

 

[Smont]

Edit

 

[Chados]

I dont know about others but pharmaceutical grade proviron costs only 3 euros here

I mean you can try it but I would always run test with anything and of course a pct. I get good results with everything while some say it's useless but how can something be useless compared to your normal test production?

 

[maxdarsinos]

i dont want to take test or anything like it. due to budget contsraint.
i ve seen posts that claim that 75 to 100mg helped them dry up a bit. thats more than enough for me. i m not looking for gains or anything else.

 

[hamdysayed]

i dont want to take test or anything like it. due to budget contsraint.
i ve seen posts that claim that 75 to 100mg helped them dry up a bit. thats more than enough for me. i m not looking for gains or anything else.

I say doit , but if u don't buy pct ( clomid or nolva should be cheap there ) it's on u if u get suppressed and u don't have them

 

[maxdarsinos]

no i ll do a pct of course but if it is suppressive then i dont think that nolva and clomid will help my HPTA.

 

[Smont]

no i ll do a pct of course but if it is suppressive then i dont think that nolva and clomid will help my HPTA.

What?

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[maxdarsinos]

why should i use nolva or clomid on pct? will i suffer from estrogen rebound?

 

[hamdysayed]

why should i use nolva or clomid on pct? will i suffer from estrogen rebound?

that won't be the reason, it will restart ur hpta. maybe u shouldn't run it

 

[maxdarsinos]

that won't be the reason, it will restart ur hpta. maybe u shouldn't run it

I will take nolva 20/20/10/10 then

 

[fueledpassion]

Ya know, I'm planning to run Priviron @ 50-75mg/day during my PCT/Cruise. Will also be taking Clomid and HCG. Should be fun.

Proviron @ 50mg/day
Clomid @ 25mg/day
HCG @ 1000iu/wk

And the other usual goodies - MK/GH/Ipamorelin & lots of vits and mins

The suppression from Proviron is negligible and the point of my PCT isn't to restore 100% of my T production but rather just allow it to start up again and give me a chance to build sensitivity to supraphysiological T again. And to allow my cholesterol to stabilize.

Anyways, I bet with Clomid and HCG you could run the Proviron and get elevated T levels while not shutting yourself down.

 

[maxdarsinos]

your talking about PCT. i am talking of runninng proviron solo just for the drying up

 

[fueledpassion]

your talking about PCT. i am talking of runninng proviron solo just for the drying up

And you missed my point. You are asking about doing a cycle then wondering if PCT is necessary. I'm saying that you can run Clomid with it and get the dryness but not the shutdown.

Better to not swing your hormones back and forth if its possible. That has been the selling point of SARMs, has it not? With this hormones, a similar outcome is possible.

 

[mike33511]

fueledpassion

Clear PM's please, bro.

 

[maxdarsinos]

so you recommend clomid or nolva at what dosages? together with proviron for about how long? woundnt it supress estrogen too much?

 

[fueledpassion]

This has piqued my interest now. Found a study that showed some significant shutdown of testes in rats, with motility and sperm count reduced alongside. However upon closer observation, the dose they gave these rats (.06mg/g) ended up converting to about 725mg/day for a 165lb man. No wonder it caused some shutdown! Even still, the Proviron was still not able to completely wipe out the T production, despite the absurd dosing. A single dose of Deca will t-totally wipe out production of test with big penalties on sperm production and motility. I've also personally seen my bloods confirm a complete shutdown of LH/FSH values only 4 days after a Test-P and H-Drol cycle.

Study for reference: Academic Journals - Journals

And this thread I'm hyperlinking below is quoting other studies that showed 250 sub-fertile men took Proviron for 12 months and about 45% of them showed ZERO suppression in T, FSH, LH, motility and sperm count. 35% experienced moderate suppression and the rest saw significant suppression. These were at doses between 100-150mg/day.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4859

I'd be all over trying 50mg/day with 25mg Clomid. Be prepared to see T values deep into the 1000's though. Proviron suppresses SHBG which will raise the effectiveness of the Clomid. Dang, this might be my permanent cruise protocol if it turns out like I think it could.

 

[fueledpassion]

so you recommend clomid or nolva at what dosages? together with proviron for about how long? woundnt it supress estrogen too much?

If it were me, I'd try 50mg Proviron w/ 25mg Clomid each day. Might add 25mg of DHEA in there too. I can't see this turning out bad. It's got to be a dang good combo. I could totally see it feeling like a twilight zone experience between natty and sauced.

Thing is, I always feel better when natty or with physiological T levels. If I could have the pumps and muscle-sparing effects of being on cycle but have the better energy, mood and sex drive associated with physiological T levels, that'd be great!

I might try this during my "cruise" in coming months and see what happens.

 

[maxdarsinos]

and i ask again. combining those two wont supress estrogen levels too much?
i like the idea of that combination though. possible "gains" from this combination is libido and drying up?

 

[fueledpassion]

and i ask again. combining those two wont supress estrogen levels too much?
i like the idea of that combination though. possible "gains" from this combination is libido and drying up?

Considering that Clomid doesn't suppress estrogen to begin with and 50mg of Proviron isn't a high dose, I'll bet estrogen just hangs out on the lower end of normal, which is ideal. It's not hard to adjust the dose. You'd just drop the Proviron to 37.5mg or 25mg/day if estro got too low. About half of men seem to function just fine with serum estradiol as low as 10-15, while others need serum levels around 20-40. Speaking for myself, that concern would not keep me from trying this. If you do give it a whirl, let us know how it turned out for you.

 

[Distilled Water]

It's pretty standard to run Proviron at 100mg the last 4 weeks of prep.

It's expensive to find good stuff. There's virtually no sides with it (internal like liver, cholesterol, etc) that's why it's typically added. It'll make a difference, no doubt. But it's not optimal to run solo but perhaps the safest route.

 

[fueledpassion]

It's pretty standard to run Proviron at 100mg the last 4 weeks of prep.

It's expensive to find good stuff. There's virtually no sides with it (internal like liver, cholesterol, etc) that's why it's typically added. It'll make a difference, no doubt. But it's not optimal to run solo but perhaps the safest route.

Yes, but for mood, energy, sex drive and keeping estrogen under control, one could argue it is among the best options for such a purpose.

 

[Distilled Water]

Yes, but for mood, energy, sex drive and keeping estrogen under control, one could argue it is among the best options for such a purpose.

Oh for sure!

But he's talking about being dry and hard so I was going that route lol. Trust me, it'll be in someone stack at 4 weeks out

 

[maxdarsinos]

Oh for sure!

But he's talking about being dry and hard so I was going that route lol. Trust me, it'll be in someone stack at 4 weeks out

100 mg of proviron and 25 clomid is too much? Also one should expect drying up with that route?

 

[fueledpassion]

Oh for sure!

But he's talking about being dry and hard so I was going that route lol. Trust me, it'll be in someone stack at 4 weeks out

Yeah, honestly, if I were wanting an actual cycle just to harden up, I'd do Tri-Blend of Test/Tren/Mast @ 1cc per week w/ HCG. Probably wouldn't experience much shutdown on that either.

So many ways one could just "harden up" with no real intent to gain muscle or strength.

But Proviron/Primo Acetate are the two with the least amount of shutdown that could deliver. Proviron being the top choice, since it is weaker.

 

[maxdarsinos]

Yeah, honestly, if I were wanting an actual cycle just to harden up, I'd do Tri-Blend of Test/Tren/Mast @ 1cc per week w/ HCG. Probably wouldn't experience much shutdown on that either.

So many ways one could just "harden up" with no real intent to gain muscle or strength.

But Proviron/Primo Acetate are the two with the least amount of shutdown that could deliver. Proviron being the top choice, since it is weaker.

100 mg of proviron then should do the trick. Can i add clomid 25 mg too?

 

[fueledpassion]

100 mg of proviron then should do the trick. Can i add clomid 25 mg too?

Well I dunno, can you?

I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ but this is unconventional cycling here and all we can do is research and experiment. At some point, the dose will get high enough that is does in fact suppress T levels. My thoughts, based on what I know today (and mainly from those two studies mentioned above) is that:

1) Within days/weeks of insanely high doses of Proviron reduced rat T leves by 75% or so (I think I'm recalling this correctly), but not totally shutting them down.

2) 100-150mg/day for an entire year didn't affect the T levels at all for nearly half the human patients and the rest had partial suppression, comparable to what we see with SARMs.

Given those two data points, I would expect 50-100mg of Proviron w/ 25mg Clomid daily to result in little no to suppression and even possibly an elevation of T, especially since Clomid has a longer half life than Proviron and is a potent SERM. My hope is that a low dose of Proviron (50mg/day) only enhances the T boosting effects of Clomid while also controlling estrogen levels.

 

[maxdarsinos]

Well I dunno, can you?

I'm not trying to be a smart @$$ but this is unconventional cycling here and all we can do is research and experiment. At some point, the dose will get high enough that is does in fact suppress T levels. My thoughts, based on what I know today (and mainly from those two studies mentioned above) is that:

1) Within days/weeks of insanely high doses of Proviron reduced rat T leves by 75% or so (I think I'm recalling this correctly), but not totally shutting them down.

2) 100-150mg/day for an entire year didn't affect the T levels at all for nearly half the human patients and the rest had partial suppression, comparable to what we see with SARMs.

Given those two data points, I would expect 50-100mg of Proviron w/ 25mg Clomid daily to result in little no to suppression and even possibly an elevation of T, especially since Clomid has a longer half life than Proviron.

I ll try 100 mg proviron and 25 mg of clomid. If i used 50 mg prov and 25 clomid as you suggested i would see less bf and i ll dry up? With minimal sides?

 

[fueledpassion]

I ll try 100 mg proviron and 25 mg of clomid. If i used 50 mg prov and 25 clomid as you suggested i would see less bf and i ll dry up? With minimal sides?

You know I can't reliably answer that question. It's not even fair to ask it, IMO. So many variables that I don't know about you. Your diet will have to be conducive for fat-burning and for all I know, your genetics might really suck.

Proviron is not one of those steroids where you can keep a currently unsuccessful diet and routine unchanged and expect to see results from the cycle. You need strong orals and Tren/Trest, etc for that.

Proviron will increase free T and reduce estrogen. With Clomid, maybe a really high Total T and free T level, so maybe something comparable to some of those DHEA prohormones but with some extra dryness. So I'd expect that you won't hold excessive water from it but you still have to eat a controlled diet, keeping BG down, drinking 1.5-2G water daily and keeping protein intake high. Then you should see hardening up and drying out better than any natty state.

 

[Distilled Water]

I ll try 100 mg proviron and 25 mg of clomid. If i used 50 mg prov and 25 clomid as you suggested i would see less bf and i ll dry up? With minimal sides?

Idk. You may grow a third eye

 

[maxdarsinos]

Idk. You may grow a third eye

Lo c mon man you zaid that clomid and proviron is a good stack. I m just asking dosages.