Depressed on Epi/1/4

[Industrial]

Is it the Epi/1andro/4andro that i'm taking that is making me depressed and moody? i am taking CEL cycle assist too. any ideas?

i'm taking 900mg epi
450mg 1 andro
450mg 4 andro

let me know what you guys think. im "sad" if you will, for no reason at all, all day long.

 

[bigsmall]

Pro-hormones do that. Effects some more than others.

 

[Industrial]

What should I do? Should I stop taking them? My clomid should be here on Saturday.

Will this sad feeling go away?

I mean, I am not pumped to go to the gym, I feel fat and like I'm never going to get anywhere, blah blah, pity party time seriously. Hopefully this feeling will go away, im just moping and pouting all day long

 

[Smont]

Sounds like high estrogen, lower the 4andro to 300 and/or get on a ai

 

[Industrial]

Sounds like high estrogen, lower the 4andro to 300 and/or get on a ai

ok i will lower it thanks man

 

[skinnybones]

What should I do? Should I stop taking them? My clomid should be here on Saturday.

Will this sad feeling go away?

I mean, I am not pumped to go to the gym, I feel fat and like I'm never going to get anywhere, blah blah, pity party time seriously. Hopefully this feeling will go away, im just moping and pouting all day long

I got that way during my 4th week of Halo X.
It went away after about a week .
Gains were so worth it.

 

[Smont]

ok i will lower it thanks man

It's not a guarantee But a good place to start

 

[Dma378]

My clomid should be here on Saturday.

Will this sad feeling go away?

If you're sad now, buckle up for the Clomid.

 

[Industrial]

If you're sad now, buckle up for the Clomid.

oh great :frustrate

 

[Dma378]

oh great :frustrate

Haha just sayin'!!

You'll be fine

 

[Smont]

Is this ur first cycle

 

[Smont]

Just saw the 900mg epi, drop the 4 completely if it doesn't work

 

[LAH813]

Are you using an AI?

 

[Industrial]

Is this ur first cycle

it's my first in over 10 years

 

[Industrial]

Are you using an AI?

no, i thought I would be ok without one. guess i thought wrong!!

 

[nubioso]

4-andro will convert to estrogen. Just like someone said earlier, depressed and moody, sounds like it got too high. Can't no for sure without bloods. You could do mid-cycle bloodwork so you can be more accurate, or just take a small dose of AI to see if that starts to help.

 

[Smont]

4-andro will convert to estrogen. Just like someone said earlier, depressed and moody, sounds like it got too high. Can't no for sure without bloods. You could do mid-cycle bloodwork so you can be more accurate, or just take a small dose of AI to see if that starts to help.

Dropping 4 completely should rule out estrogen almost completely. But there's too much room for error right now

 

[mike33511]

Are you experiencing excessive water retention? High blood pressure? Brain fog? Insomnia? ED? Those are all symptoms of high E2.

 

[Industrial]

Are you experiencing excessive water retention? High blood pressure? Brain fog? Insomnia? ED? Those are all symptoms of high E2.

Yes, absolutely all of those right now. Especially insomnia. And my weight isn't going down much even though I've been in a deficit.

 

[mike33511]

Yes, absolutely all of those right now. Especially insomnia. And my weight isn't going down much even though I've been in a deficit.

If you can get some Anastrozole/Arimidex or Exemestane/Aromasin in the next few days, I would just tough it out until then and keep dosages the same. Lowering the 4-andro dose would probably work eventually, but it would be better to just get the AI, in my opinion. Once you get it, dose either 0.5mg (Arimidex) or 12.5mg (Exemestane) a day until you feel better. You can still salvage your cycle. Next time, make sure you have an AI and a SERM before you start ANY cycle.