Suggestion for pre-contest cut
06-16-2005 04:10 PM
Hey man, no hard feelings. I just dont have any respect for guys using AAS, but at the same time, i feel that I have an obligation as a member of the medical field to look out for people. Your lack of history of heart disease and hyperlipidemia means nothing. Clenbuterol is a Beta agonist, and as such, it speeds your heart rate and increases contractility, and will also dilate your airways for a perceived increase in cardio endurance. T3 is also a heart stimulant, as well as an overall metabolism booster. And since you've used both before you're going to be ok, right? Wrong...In medical school my rotation in the ER was only 6 weeks and in that short time I saw 2 'bodybuilders' die from the use of clen and god knows what else. Neither had history of heart disease. Just because you've used them before doesnt mean you can't have adverse rxns in the future. Not to mention that you're running the risk of shutting down your thyroid gland every time you use exogenous T3. An older guy i know (early 30's) was an avid user of T3 on and off for a while and guess what? His shredded physique is now a pile of fat because his thyroid went caput, and his physician can't place him on a dose of replacement therapy high enough to get him to lose the fat because he's already done so much damage to his heart.
Originally Posted by Nullifidian
Your lack of a family history does come into play when you talk about the long term effects of AAS (not clen/T3). Even then, however, there's no way your lipids wont be out of whack after a cycle. It's just impossible.
I did not mean to be a prick, I just feel very strongly about natural lifting and i despise what the sport has become. (like you guys using AAS give a crap, i know) I've been lifting for a long time, and i have many friends that use AAS for cosmetic reasons and have no desire to compete. As such they take much less dosage and variety of illicit drugs as compared to guys gunning for competitions. That being said, they still have had serious health problems. Every one of them.
I'm not here to be your mother or tell you what to do. But the advise I'm giving you can save your life. Cardiac stimulants arent like AAS. You dont get bloodwork and say "oh ****, its time to stop the cycle." You might only get one chance with this, and there's a good chance it could be your last. Trust me, there arent that many people that sustain supraventricular tachyarrythmias and live to tell about it.
If anything, why not try some cutting AAS and OTC ephedra for a month and then slowly introduce the clen/t3 if you must?
I know you're going to use it anyway beacuse of the contest coming up and your burning desire to break into the sport. Believe me when i tell you i know what it feels like to want something this badly. But i swear to you you can get 'contest' shredded without clen/t3.
All I can say is good luck with your pursuits and I hope you dont become another statistic.
P.S. That's all i'm going to contribute to the thread. i can go on for days talking about all the things that can go wrong with clen/t3, etc. But since you started this thread and I know you're going to pursue the aforementioned cutting cycle, i wont detract anymore from guys giving you advise on what cycle to use. Good luck.
06-16-2005 05:41 PM
See, once again you make assumptions about me that are baseless.
Besides that you didn't even look at my tenative cutting schedule. I wasn't planning on using clen anyway until week 6.
I'm asking for suggestions to get second, third, fourth, fifth, etc. opinions about various compounds and timing, etc. I have an idea in my head of what I want to do, but I respect the opinions of others on this board who have knowledge and more importantly experience in the use of said compounds. Thus I asked for additional ideas from them to factor into planning my proposed cutting cycle. Never assume you know everything about a subject, you never know when someone could have knowledge of a concept you were unaware of.
As for saying my previous experience with clen is irrelevant, that comment is an indication of one of two things: 1) you would rather use ridiculous lies and scare tactics to push your opinion rather than sound science 2) you really are a pisspoor med student and you are talking out of your ass.
Previous experience with a drug establishes tolerance. It shows how well a person tolerates a drug and what to expect from future use of the drug. Saying previous use of the drug has no bearing on future use is just ignorant. In fact, previous use of another drug that is even in the same CLASS has major weight in predicting the effects of a drug. For example, side effects you receive from Cialis are likely going to be very similar to ones on Viagra.
06-16-2005 05:55 PM
I dont expect you to be on the same level of understanding here. I guess i just wasted my time. Just like all the other meatheads with their WebMD degrees in pharmacology and doctorates from Gold's Gym University, you'll end up learning the hard way. You might want to invest in a defibrillator while you're at it. And please, dont lecture me about sound science. You're just embarassing yourself. Sure, tolerance builds up once you start a drug. But when was the last time you used clen? During the usage your beta receptors are down-regulated (hence, tolerance). However, when you stop, you get a rebound up-regulation, so the next time you take it, the same dose you used the previous time will have a greater effect.
Originally Posted by Nullifidian
Let's put all our cards on the table here...If you were as dedicated to the sport and dieting as you say you are, you would not need illegal drugs to reach your goal. Plain and simple. This is why i have no respect for juiceheads. You guys all rant and rave about how dedicated you all are, when your physiques are predicated on the use of illegal and harmful drugs. It all comes out in the wash though. Once you get your first medical scare and stop jucing you'll deflate like a popped balloon and then we'll see who the truly dedicated guys are.
And I hate to burst your bubble but unless you're willing to literally put your health on the line and get freakishly huge using HGH, insulin, deca out the ass, etc, you wont ever get a pro card. It's just the nature of the sport these days.
06-16-2005 07:40 PM
Get off your soapbox and stop antognoizing people whose system of values differ your own. The people on this board are interested in performance enhancement. If you have a problem with that then you need to either keep it to yourself or leave.
You've been reported.
06-16-2005 07:53 PM
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Originally Posted by BassMan097
Yeah, at 22 you are well beyond any of us here with your vast knowledge of the medical literature on the subject.
Oh that is right, you said you were an older guy (early 30's). Well we established you as a liar now.
06-16-2005 09:26 PM
Thanks, Bobo. I didn't want this thread to be about arguments, I wanted it to be about pre-contest drug plans.
So as it stands here is the tentative plan:
Week 1-4: Nothing, just the basics; clean diet and cardio, in order to make sure I am losing fat consistantly without "added help".
Week 5-6: ECA + Melting Point
Week 7-8: Clen + Melting point
Week 9-10: ECA + T3
Week 11-12: Clen + T3
Week 13-15: ECA + Melting Point + Lean eXtreme
Week 16: ECA + LXT
Week 8-15: 100mg Test Prop EOD
Week 9-16: 100mg Masteron, injectable EOD.
Clen dosage plans (depending of course on how weightloss is progressing):
Weeks 7-8 -
40 40 60 60 80 80 100 100 120 120 140 140 140 140
Weeks 11-12 -
20 20 40 40 40 60 60 60 80 80 80 80 80 80
Week 9: 20 40 40 60 60 60 80
Week 10: 80 80 80 100 100 100 100
Week 11: 100 100 100 100 100 80
Week 12: 80 60 60 60 40 40 20
01-02-2009 02:52 PM
Inject 50-100mg of masterone (drostanalone) EOD with the testP, you wont b dissapointed if your lean enough
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