Aspirating

[Ninja23]

Do you aspirate? Why or why not? I personally haven't been but I've seen some horror stories on the interwebs

 

[Nac]

Yes.

Takes 2secs to do.

Does the needle move a little when I do it sometimes, increasing the risk of tissue damage? Possibly. But Ill take the risk.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

I haven't gotten to pinning yet, but yes, aspirating is a must from my understanding. Why? So you know you aren't inside a vein; if you aspirate and blood comes into the oil, take the syringe out, replace the needle with a clean one and find a new spot

 

[jakz]

I aspirate. Injecting into a vain.. Not fun. Panic, coughing and sweats.. Yeah, I'd rather have a stiff glute than do that again.

I know it basically just "leaks" a little into a vain, but ehg.

 

[uprightrows]

Not saying it's the best idea for everyone, but I do not. I pretty much only pin delts and lats, and I know my spots and where the major veins are there, plus I generally use slin pins which aren't really designed to be aspirated anyway.
Also when you think about it, when was the last time that you received an injection from a nurse or medical professional and they aspirated? If you live in the US the chances are you haven't, I don't believe it is part of their protocol, just food for thought.

 

[jakz]

Not saying it's the best idea for everyone, but I do not. I pretty much only pin delts and lats, and I know my spots and where the major veins are there, plus I generally use slin pins which aren't really designed to be aspirated anyway.
Also when you think about it, when was the last time that you received an injection from a nurse or medical professional and they aspirated? If you live in the US the chances are you haven't, I don't believe it is part of their protocol, just food for thought.

They are medical professionals, I am not, therefor I aspirate.

 

[uprightrows]

They are medical professionals, I am not, therefor I aspirate.

Fair enough lol.

And if I pinned glutes/ventroglutes or quads or an area I wasn't familiar with, or if I used lower gauge pins I might too. But I don't, so I don't, and I've never injected into a vein (not that that means anything or is sound logic). Also advice for those who don't aspirate, either do it, or make sure you go in perpendicular (90 degrees) to the skin. In order to "successfully" (which you don't want) inject into a vein, you pretty much need to be at an acute or off angle, this will solve 95% of your problems.

 

[brofessorx]

No I don't.

2nd edit: found the site I read from before: Because there are no large blood vessels in the recommended sites, aspiration before injection of vaccines (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary. Also, some safety-engineered syringes do not allow for aspiration.
https://www.amsn.org/practice-resources/care-term-reference/medications/question-what-current-practice-for-giving-im

From my experience, when you hit a vein, you feel it. It hurts. and bleeds.

 

[BamBam0319]

Yeah I don't aspirate.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Nah, if you hit a vein you'll know it. I always have. When I was running BPC if I hit a vein or got close to one it was painful as hell.

 

[justhere4comm]

Nope. Not here either.

 

[Nac]

Yeah, Ill admit that a big part of my aspirating is psychological. Makes me feel better.

 

[jakz]

Nah, if you hit a vein you'll know it. I always have. When I was running BPC if I hit a vein or got close to one it was painful as hell.

Nerve? Because I've hit those before, DAMN!

 

[jakz]

Yeah, Ill admit that a big part of my aspirating is psychological. Makes me feel better.

Exactly, I inject 90 degree angle etc, I just feel better about it.

 

[jakz]

Nope. Not here either.

New avatar? You are beastly

 

[BamBam0319]

I'm more afraid of hitting a nerve than a vessel. Sliding that pin in and seeing the whole muscle twitch when you hit it is not something I enjoying watching.

 

[Caldwood]

I aspirate.. just told and taught that's the habit to start so that's what I do.

 

[dillface02241]

I don't aspirate anymore. If you feel a little pinch when it goes in, you hit a vein, take it out and reinsert somewhere else.

 

[Dma378]

Haven't in a long time. Delts, glutes and lats have been free of any issue not aspirating.

The 2 times I got some into bloodstream, I aspirated. So what's the point?

 

[ChocolateClen]

Nerve? Because I've hit those before, DAMN!

Nerves you'll feel as well. Can't really distinguish between the two till afterwords. If it bruises later it's a vein if it gives me worse pip it was a nerve

 

[2kvette]

Not saying it's the best idea for everyone, but I do not. I pretty much only pin delts and lats, and I know my spots and where the major veins are there, plus I generally use slin pins which aren't really designed to be aspirated anyway.
Also when you think about it, when was the last time that you received an injection from a nurse or medical professional and they aspirated? If you live in the US the chances are you haven't, I don't believe it is part of their protocol, just food for thought.

how you using slin pins???? An injection must take all afternoon.

 

[BamBam0319]

how you using slin pins???? An injection must take all afternoon.

Pretty easy really. Anytime I have 1cc or less for an injection I use a slin pin. Although that hasn't happened since 2016

 

[2kvette]

Pretty easy really. Anytime I have 1cc or less for an injection I use a slin pin. Although that hasn't happened since 2016

What size? I got 29 and 30

 

[BamBam0319]

What size? I got 29 and 30

29 I believe. I don't pay attention anymore. The slower the less of a lump/soreness I get.

 

[jakz]

Nerves you'll feel as well. Can't really distinguish between the two till afterwords. If it bruises later it's a vein if it gives me worse pip it was a nerve

Hitting a nerve causes a "twitch" and a sharp pain for me. a Vein has this dull long pain.

 

[uprightrows]

how you using slin pins???? An injection must take all afternoon.

Drawing would take forever, but I back load them and I inject bilaterally so it's usually .5cc or 1cc in each shoulder or lat. It takes a little while to inject, but because the cylinder diameter is so small the plunger generates a ton of pressure so it pushes the oil faster than you would think even though the needle is high gauge. And I do whatever I can to lower the viscosity (pretty much just heat it)

 

[NurseGray]

As a nurse who gives injections all the time. I would always suggest aspirating during injections. It literally takes like 0.5 seconds and is just better safe practice.

 

[unreal89]

Nope i dont aspirate.. just a good way to cause extra pip

 

[yates84]

Aspirating= needle movement= more pip. You will never stay in the same spot anyway so it's kinda pointless.

 

[yates84]

Drawing would take forever, but I back load them and I inject bilaterally so it's usually .5cc or 1cc in each shoulder or lat. It takes a little while to inject, but because the cylinder diameter is so small the plunger generates a ton of pressure so it pushes the oil faster than you would think even though the needle is high gauge. And I do whatever I can to lower the viscosity (pretty much just heat it)

Use 23 gauge needle to draw then pull plunger out of the slin pin and just inject oil into back of slin pin then just put the plunger back in, just be careful to let the air go to the needle end of the syringe and push it out. Quick way to load them and also keeps needle sharp for easy injection. You're welcome

 

[uprightrows]

Use 23 gauge needle to draw then pull plunger out of the slin pin and just inject oil into back of slin pin then just put the plunger back in, just be careful to let the air go to the needle end of the syringe and push it out. Quick way to load them and also keeps needle sharp for easy injection. You're welcome

I know bro, that's what I was saying, that's what back loading is.

 

[uprightrows]

I actually use a large bore syringe with a low gauge to back fill enough slin pins for multiple injects, like a week's worth if I'm running short esters. That way I can just grab a slin pin and I'm good to go

 

[yates84]

I know bro, that's what I was saying, that's what back loading is.

Never heard that terminology before, was wondering how I hadn't heard about anyone doing this before. Seemed too simple to miss.

 

[BodyOfWotan]

I don`t aspirate.
I do glutes only at a 90° angle with 23-27 gauge needles. I know my spots and feel like aspirating moves the needle around more, actually increasing your chance of hitting a vein.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Hitting a nerve causes a "twitch" and a sharp pain for me. a Vein has this dull long pain.

Same, nerve tends to be worse for me afterwords tho, the pip gets pretty nasty a day later. Veins just bruise

 

[rascal14]

I aspirated for a week when I first started and haven't done it since.

 

[sandpig]

I don't

 

[2kvette]

I aspirated always, no question. But still hit a vein for the first time last year.

 

[Caldwood]

Have never had this happen before and through consistency I never thought anything of it, but when I aspirate I've heard you are supposed to pull a yellow liquid / cloudy clear liquid from the muscle but all I have ever gotten was air bubbles anyone else get this same effect ?

 

[uprightrows]

Yes it's probably cavitation, it also mean you are hitting the spot correctly and going into solid muscle, don't worry about it you are good to go

 

[Caldwood]

Yes it's probably cavitation, it also mean you are hitting the spot correctly and going into solid muscle, don't worry about it you are good to go

Right on thanks, like I said I never thought anything of it. No blood = run it IMO. Bury it deep and squeeze.

 

[Nac]

Have never had this happen before and through consistency I never thought anything of it, but when I aspirate I've heard you are supposed to pull a yellow liquid / cloudy clear liquid from the muscle but all I have ever gotten was air bubbles anyone else get this same effect ?

Weird.

Have you considered the possibility you are an android?

 

[Dma378]

When I did aspirate, I never saw anything but air pull back. I would actually trip out if I saw some yellow liquid.

 

[Caldwood]

Weird.

Have you considered the possibility you are an android?

That would definitely not be the worst news I've ever had lol.

 

[kanakafarian]

You guys are overcomplicating it. Just 29 slin it to the delts (front, side, rear) with no aspiration needed. I pin every day to both delts and never had a problem and I've done at least 800-1000+ injections minimum.

BTW this is my first post in probably 4 years as I've been at OLM, M&S and HCU during that time.

 

[Nac]

Aspirating takes 2secs, literally. I dont think thats overcomplicated.

But, I do get the objections, or the desire for lots of guys not to bother with it. Im certainly not going to go around claiming its a necessity if you value "safety". For me, its like a compulsive behaviour similiar to unconsciously checking that your flye is up. You can be confident as fuk that its up, but still the act of double checking helps you sleep at night in the knowledge you arent walking round with your cok hanging out.

 

[kanakafarian]

Aspirating takes 2secs, literally. I dont think thats overcomplicated.

But, I do get the objections, or the desire for lots of guys not to bother with it. Im certainly not going to go around claiming its a necessity if you value "safety". For me, its like a compulsive behaviour similiar to unconsciously checking that your flye is up. You can be confident as fuk that its up, but still the act of double checking helps you sleep at night in the knowledge you arent walking round with your cok hanging out.

http://littletonnhhospital.org/images/NursesPages/files/Crawford,%20CL;%20Johnson,%20JA,%20Nursing%202012,%20March%2820-25%29.pdf

Based on reviewed evidence from the numerous studies on this matter, expert opinion and scientific judgement, the answer is NO, we do not need to aspirate. Now I'd listen to a professional advice versus the bro science here all day every day. Just saying...

 

[DemntedCowboy]

I use a 23g 1.5" needle to the glute. I never aspirate. My wife has been doing IM for years for her MS, and has shown me how to inject without any problems

 

[BamBam0319]

I currently pin delts and glutes both with 1" 25G, and don't aspirate. Soon will probably have to add quads and lats though

 

[Nac]

http://littletonnhhospital.org/images/NursesPages/files/Crawford,%20CL;%20Johnson,%20JA,%20Nursing%202012,%20March%2820-25%29.pdf

Based on reviewed evidence from the numerous studies on this matter, expert opinion and scientific judgement, the answer is NO, we do not need to aspirate. Now I'd listen to a professional advice versus the bro science here all day every day. Just saying...

Bro, youre missing the point.

Ive tried making it painstakingly clear: Im not asserting there is any safety benefit to aspirating.

I do it ENTIRELY for psychological benefit. Its irrational! You cant out-rationalise an irrational behaviour. Unless there was irrefutable proof the practice was harmful (not possibly or potentially harmful, but actually detrimental).