Does anyone have experience with 6-dehydronandrolone (17-ACETOXY-ESTRA-4,6-DIEN-3-ONE)?
If so, what dosage did you use and what were the results?
Thank you
If so, what dosage did you use and what were the results?
Thank you
This^. You wont find any research on it as it is a new compound. Looks very promising though.It's new. It's similar to nandrolone but a dryer. Not much on it yet
I haven't seen him in a while. Things are going well. How've you been?I misplaced my copy of the book (Vida), but my guess is a mild anabolic with AI properties. By inj. of course.
How are things jbry? Where is henryv?
I've been well thank you. This compound reminds me of Celtic Labs products or something similar to them. I miss that community (PHF).I haven't seen him in a while. Things are going well. How've you been?
Last I talked to him was on here, then I messaged him and let him know it was jbryand101b, haven't seen him on the boards since. That was last January 2016, I believe.I've been well thank you. This compound reminds me of Celtic Labs products or something akin to them. I miss that community (PHF).
I've been looking for henryv.
Thanks bro, I tried emailing him. I might try and message him on here.Last I talked to him was on here, then I messaged him and let him know it was jbryand101b, haven't seen him on the boards since. That was last January 2016, I believe.
Edit: looks like he's been focused on supps but his last post here was 3/16.
I bet he's undercover.
2 weeks of PCT still left from last cycle. Planning on running it in the winter as I tend to prefer a few months of homeostasis in between cycles. I'll report the results.Well it sounds interesting. OP when are you going to run it, will you log the stuff?
Who's that? and is he affiliated with the company selling it?Quoted from the man himself..
There is nothing on it. No one has ever released this compound before AFAIK. It's not even in Vida.
Structurally, it's very similar to nandrolone and likely metabolizes into nandrolone to some degree but it shouldn't really be considered a "Deca PH" IMO as IME, it is much dryer and doesn't seem to **** up my boner as much.
but the final product isn't TD 30 ml regular price $70 2-3 ml per day so 6 bottles( $410 ) for 8 weeks run hmmmThe raw powder is pretty cheap. I think I saw at one site, 1$/kg
nostrum420.I went and looked through every 6ene steroid listed in vida, none had any significant aa activity. ( Little to none)
This doesn't mean much, as there were only testosterone delta 6 compounds.
But takes away some of the excitement for me.
Gotcha. No worries, our ideas of worthwhile differ, but we both know how reliable vida is. I'll have to either wait for an injectable version to research with comes out, or make my own. Thanks.Not all of them. Most of the useless ones have some other wacky functional groups. The Delta6 analog of 6a-Chloro while not as strong as 6a-Chloro itself, isn't necessarily garbage. There's also a Delta6 version of Dimethabold that I think has some promise. You also have to look carefully. Sometimes the numbers are misleading. For instance, often the standard comes back at less than 100 so you'd have to adjust for that to get the true A:A numbers. There are other things like that you pick up on if you reeeeally comb through Vida and compare it with other literature. Another one you'll see alot is un-methylated compounds administered orally and vice versa 17a-alkylated hormones tested subq.
I just got this.#1 of fight club
This neologism is right up there with "shart".nandrolol
Lol. You did kinda look like Pitt in your results nudes.#1 of fight club
now that's fukin heeelarious!~Lol. You did kinda look like Pitt in your results nudes.
A polar functional group can only solubilize three carbons at most. But the ester here is basically inert, a longer ester would increase lipid solubility and mean more could be dissolved in oil. Like dissolves like. An OH group would decrease solubility. The ester serves to prolong half life, not increase solubility.How would an acetate ester increase lipid solubility? Its got two oxygens. I would think an OH group there would make it dissolve better, and give it a lower molecular weight as well.
I bought some so. . .No, but 50% off this weekend makes it extremely tempting
Oil or TD?I bought some so. . .
Awesome, good luck with your run
Interested as well, seems consensus is you need to run it at least 6 weeks. Perhaps 2ml a day for TD and 4ml a week for oil?Thanks, anyone have input on suggested dosing?
Yeah, I would suggest a minimum of 6 weeks for any compound with an acetate ester. Your dosing makes sense, since TD bioavailability is half that of IM bioavailability, at best.Interested as well, seems consensus is you need to run it at least 6 weeks. Perhaps 2ml a day for TD and 4ml a week for oil?
400mg/week of the oil is right where you want to be, nor-delta is very similar to NPP.300-400mg/week was my thought too.
It's a 4,6-diene. Do you have evidence to support that it will hydroxylate at C-4? The name "nandrolol" does not account for the 3-ketone. Just call it 4-hydroxynandrolone.Okay here is what we can assume from known structure-activity-relationships with the AR. Increased double bonds, flattens out skeleton, more planar, easier time binding to AR. Also, this WILL convert to nandrolol. The 4,6-ene of the 6-dehydronandrolone will convert to a 4-enol, yielding nandrolol(nandrolone-diol). Both the parent, and the metabolite are active.
Yes IUPAC Nazi, I know it's a 4,6-diene. I never said it was going to hydroxylate C-4, the name nandrolol doesnt account for the 3-ketone because it doesn't exist in that metabolite, it does however in the third. I never said anything about any 4-hydroxy, idk where your getting this, I suppose it's possible, but I've mostly seen 1,2,4,16-hydroxy metabolites as largely being metabolic products of estrogens. One piece of evidence I've seen is the ATD metabolism study you referenced above(at least I think its the one I saw); also some where I saw that there were some 4,6 metabolites detected from nandrolone before. I have no idea where the equilibrium of the enzyme lies for this reaction, so anyone's guess is as good as mine.It's a 4,6-diene. Do you have evidence to support that it will hydroxylate at C-4? The name "nandrolol" does not account for the 3-ketone. Just call it 4-hydroxynandrolone.
Reduction of the 6,7-double bond has been reported in ATD's metabolism. (in vivo human; DOI: 10.1002/rcm.3861) Which means it might take place with 6-dehydronandrolone thus converting it to nandrolone.
Edit: my apologiesYes IUPAC Nazi, I know it's a 4,6-diene. I never said it was going to hydroxylate C-4, the name nandrolol doesnt account for the 3-ketone because it doesn't exist in that metabolite, it does however in the third. I never said anything about any 4-hydroxy, idk where your getting this, I suppose it's possible, but I've mostly seen 1,2,4,16-hydroxy metabolites as largely being metabolic products of estrogens. One piece of evidence I've seen is the ATD metabolism study you referenced above(at least I think its the one I saw); also some where I saw that there were some 4,6 metabolites detected from nandrolone before. I have no idea where the equilibrium of the enzyme lies for this reaction, so anyone's guess is as good as mine.
Oh man, the guys at the IUPAC convention must love you. Yea, your right, the way I wrote it makes it look like a 4-hydroxy. I should have just said enol.You called it a 4-enol which indicates 4-hydroxy-4-en. If you're talking about reduction to a 3~-hydroxyl how do you know that metabolite is active. Just be more specific.
What? What is a 4,6 metabolite? Do you mean 4,6~-dihydroxy or 4,6-dien(e)? You've made about as much sense as a can of stool.
Message me with this info please! Will send you some finished product after I get my hands on it.The raw powder is pretty cheap. I think I saw at one site, 1$/kg
Edit: was mistaken, it was $1 for 6 grams.
That's 6 100mg/ml 10ml vials.
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