PWO and Anabolics

[Jpwithey]

Ok. This is probably a recycled question but am curious - here it goes. Do you feel it is safe to take pwo while on Anabolics? Do you think it could increase or aggravate cardiovascular conditions such as cardiomyopathy etc. I am most interested in hearing from those with a long history of cycles / lifestyle users- As always, much thanks to the AM team here.

 

[Ricky10]

It is generally not "recommend" to take PWOs while on anabolics but I always have without any issue. However, I tend to take lower stim products like OL CONQU3R UNLEASHED. Also, the NO boosting ingredients in PWOs kind of balance out the stimulant properties which puts less stress on your cardiovascular system as opposed to walking in the gym and just taking 400mg of caffeine pills.

The only challenging aspect I have had is that the increased pump from anabolics themselves combined with the pump attributes of PWO formulas can be a bit over the top and it is harder to find an ideal balance of pump before it becomes a hindrance. Supplementing with additional Taurine seems helpful to reduce cramping caused by over the top pump..

 

[Jpwithey]

How much Taurine will you take. Thanks Ricky - appreciate you.

 

[B5150]

If in PWO you mean a stimulant based OTC PWO - I don't and never will. The doses of caffeine alone that some of these formulas have are insultingly too high and I have for years now ceased purchasing any as a result.

I always take a non stimulant based home brew PWO containing l-citrulline (5g), agmatine (1g), beta-alanine (2.5g), taurine (2.5g), KNO3 (1g), Vit. C (.5g), NAC (.5g) chased with 5-10mg of Cialis

I'll have a little coffee for a low dose of caffeine which is more psychological than an efficacious stimulant.

For me the desired benefits are enhanced intra-set recovery, endurance and stamina and a lot less about pump.

Combine that with the anabolic of choice and you can literally go for hours.

That formula actually helps with blood pressure as well.

 

[Jpwithey]

Just adopted your pwo. Is there a brand you take (pm me to not encourage advertisement if wanted) or do you just buy individual bulk powders. thank you!

 

[Ricky10]

How much Taurine will you take. Thanks Ricky - appreciate you.

3-4 grams should probably do it...you may have to experiment a bit. What kind of PWOs do you usually take?

 

[Jpwithey]

1.5 scoops of c4 50x (imgagine its one of the more super stim pwos). I think I'll save it for off cycle and once its done never go back. I'm on week 2 of cycle #2 - low dose test c, npp and dbol. It's not too much of a worry because I'm early in my cycle history but plan to be a lifetime user. Shifting this early at 30 y.o. isn't too much of a concern but want to play my cards right over the long-term. Thanks guys.

 

[B5150]

Just adopted your pwo. Is there a brand you take (pm me to not encourage advertisement if wanted) or do you just buy individual bulk powders. thank you!

Yes. Bulk powders.

1000g l-citrulline
200g agmatine (2-100g bags)
500g beta-alanine
500g taurine
200g KNO3
100g Vit C
100g NAC
2600g = 200 - 13g dose

 

[Jpwithey]

David. You're a true champion. Thank you sir!

 

[The Express 42]

David has a great pre going. For low stim effects I would add 100mg caffeine and 100mg teacrine. To add to the pump I thoroughly enjoy 3g of Hydromax. I can only find one company that sells it in bulk. I also like to add 30mg noopept, 300mg Alpha GPC 99%, and 1.5g Acetyl L Carnitine for a little brain boost. My homemade pre looks like so.

L citrulline - 6g
Agmatine - 1g
Taurine - 2g
Hydromax - 3g
Tadalafil (Cialis) - 5mg
Alpha GPC99% - 300mg
Noopept - 30mg
Acetyl L Carnitine - 1.5g
Beta Alanine (Carnosyn) - 2.5g
Caffeine - 100mg
Teacrine - 100mg

Never had any issues with blood pressure with this combo on cycle

 

[Caldwood]

If in PWO you mean a stimulant based OTC PWO - I don't and never will. The doses of caffeine alone that some of these formulas have are insultingly too high and I have for years now ceased purchasing any as a result.

I always take a non stimulant based home brew PWO containing l-citrulline (5g), agmatine (1g), beta-alanine (2.5g), taurine (2.5g), KNO3 (1g), Vit. C (.5g), NAC (.5g) chased with 5-10mg of Cialis

I'll have a little coffee for a low dose of caffeine which is more psychological than an efficacious stimulant.

For me the desired benefits are enhanced intra-set recovery, endurance and stamina and a lot less about pump.

Combine that with the anabolic of choice and you can literally go for hours.

That formula actually helps with blood pressure as well.

5mg of cialis and a cup o joe, love it man.