Bloodwork after 4month cycle

[livestrong82]

Ran tren a and test P for about 4months

Been off cycle 10ish weeks now

Pct was 50,50,50,25,25,25 Clomid
Nolva 20,20,10
A.i as needed

Test is low and LH is High..

I feel good and good sex drive, not much of strength loss since off cycle kept my gains for the most part and I haven't even been working out as frequent..
Anyone have a related experience to this before??
How can LH be lowered to regular levels or is this normal after cycle?

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

when were bloods taken? pre-pct, post pct and how long?

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Ran tren a and test P for about 4months

Been off cycle 10ish weeks now

Pct was 50,50,50,25,25,25 Clomid
Nolva 20,20,10
A.i as needed

Test is low and LH is High..

I feel good and good sex drive, not much of strength loss since off cycle kept my gains for the most part and I haven't even been working out as frequent..
Anyone have a related experience to this before??
How can LH be lowered to regular levels or is this normal after cycle?
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These are figures 10 weeks post the end of pct?

 

[bobi593]

why do you want to cut LH if you feel good ? you signal from your brain is pretty strong just yours balls need more time to start to work for 100%

 

[livestrong82]

These are figures 10 weeks post the end of pct?

No,I did 6 weeks of pct.. this is 4 weeks after pct.
10 weeks off gear total

 

[livestrong82]

why do you want to cut LH if you feel good ? you signal from your brain is pretty strong just yours balls need more time to start to work for 100%

I'm asking if this is normal after pct.. LH is high to raise low test level correct? But is this common I'm asking in other ppls post bloodwork

 

[bobi593]

I'm asking if this is normal after pct.. LH is high to raise low test level correct? But is this common I'm asking in other ppls post bloodwork

without pre cycle blood work it's impossible to answer

 

[NoAddedHmones]

without pre cycle blood work it's impossible to answer

Not really, It is not normal to have lh and fsh that far outside of normal range 4 weeks post pct. honestly, I would get them checked again in 4-6 weeks (given you arent experiencing negative sides) to see if everything has normalised and if not see an endo.

 

[livestrong82]

Not really, It is not normal to have lh and fsh that far outside of normal range 4 weeks post pct. honestly, I would get them checked again in 4-6 weeks (given you arent experiencing negative sides) to see if everything has normalised and if not see an endo.

Ok I see what u mean, yea no negative sides yet and I'm glad my AST levels are good too.. waiting for kidney bloodwork next week...

 

[bobi593]

Not really, It is not normal to have lh and fsh that far outside of normal range 4 weeks post pct. honestly, I would get them checked again in 4-6 weeks (given you arent experiencing negative sides) to see if everything has normalised and if not see an endo.

everyone is different the ranges are only starting point he did not post his age I suspect he is pretty young there is plenty freaks with numbers way beyond max ranges I'm almost 40 on keto also cutting my LH FSH close to max with this bf I should be much lower , haw much LH/FSH I I had when I wax 20yo ? in the maximum range I do not think so check my bloodwork
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[livestrong82]

when were bloods taken? pre-pct, post pct and how long?

I got these bloods done 3 days ago, 4 weeks after pct... So off 6 weeks and now 4 weeks after. Total of 10 weeks or so off gear

 

[bobi593]

I got these bloods done 3 days ago, 4 weeks after pct... So off 6 weeks and now 4 weeks after. Total of 10 weeks or so off gear

how old are you

 

[livestrong82]

everyone is different the ranges are only starting point he did not post his age I suspect he is pretty young there is plenty freaks with numbers way beyond max ranges I'm almost 40 on keto also cutting my LH FSH close to max with this bf I should be much lower , haw much LH/FSH I I had when I wax 20yo ? in the maximum range I do not think so check my bloodwork
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270011

I'm 28yrs old

 

[bobi593]

you good buddy don't chase the numbers especially if feel good

 

[NoAddedHmones]

everyone is different the ranges are only starting point he did not post his age I suspect he is pretty young there is plenty freaks with numbers way beyond max ranges I'm almost 40 on keto also cutting my LH FSH close to max with this bf I should be much lower , haw much LH/FSH I I had when I wax 20yo ? in the maximum range I do not think so check my bloodwork
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270011

That's why a normal range is quite wide. Clearly there is some kind of disconnect when T is sub normal and LH and FSH are outside of normal. Regardless of age.

 

[gigante35]

I would take in one month another blood work, when those lh and fsh levels drops off. Test level will be down for sure.

 

[2kvette]

Ran tren a and test P for about 4months

Been off cycle 10ish weeks now

Pct was 50,50,50,25,25,25 Clomid
Nolva 20,20,10
A.i as needed

Test is low and LH is High..

I feel good and good sex drive, not much of strength loss since off cycle kept my gains for the most part and I haven't even been working out as frequent..
Anyone have a related experience to this before??
How can LH be lowered to regular levels or is this normal after cycle?
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Pharmacy student here. This is terrific bloodwork. Means the pituitary senses that testosterone is low and is responding appropriately by surging LH to bring Test up. So we can rule out any problem on this end. After long periods of low LH/FSH the cells in the testes enter a state called senescence. It's a coma like state where the cells aren't dead, but like frozen in time, not doing anything. Right now, the LH surge is your body waking them from this state. Check bloods in 4 more weeks and I bet your into the 500's at least and LH is WNL.

DO NOT LISTEN TO BROS IN THE INTERNET TELLING YOU TO DO ANOTHER PCT. IT WILL JUST SCREW UP WHAT IS ALREADY FIXED.

 

[livestrong82]

Pharmacy student here. This is terrific bloodwork. Means the pituitary senses that testosterone is low and is responding appropriately by surging LH to bring Test up. So we can rule out any problem on this end. After long periods of low LH/FSH the cells in the testes enter a state called senescence. It's a coma like state where the cells aren't dead, but like frozen in time, not doing anything. Right now, the LH surge is your body waking them from this state. Check bloods in 4 more weeks and I bet your into the 500's at least and LH is WNL.

DO NOT LISTEN TO BROS IN THE INTERNET TELLING YOU TO DO ANOTHER PCT. IT WILL JUST SCREW UP WHAT IS ALREADY FIXED.

Thanks for your input,
I'm waiting for my other bloodwork. If everything comes back good I'm going to run my second cycle for the year soon

 

[2kvette]

Thanks for your input,
I'm waiting for my other bloodwork. If everything comes back good I'm going to run my second cycle for the year soon

How long ago was the blood work? And when did you get the second one? Try to wait at least 2 months after things have normalized to run another cycle.

 

[livestrong82]

How long ago was the blood work? And when did you get the second one? Try to wait at least 2 months after things have normalized to run another cycle.

The first blood work was 10days ago strictly for lipids and kidney/liver function, but i dont get those results till this coming wednesday.
This one I just posted I did 4days ago..

 

[Todd Garner]

High LH and low Test is a sign of Primary Hypogonadism , Pretty much your body is trying like hell to produce Test but your nuts are not working the way they should. I wouldn't cycle at all until you get this lined out.

 

[2kvette]

High LH and low Test is a sign of Primary Hypogonadism , Pretty much your body is trying like hell to produce Test but your nuts are not working the way they should. I wouldn't cycle at all until you get this lined out.

This is true, buttttt..... Since he was just on a strong progestin for an extended period of time, he will have protracted recovery d/t the principle i explained above. But primary hypo can't be exlcuded unless you have precycle bloodwork that shows it was normal, i.e. 500 +.

If it was verifiably 500+ before the cycle, your definately not primary hypo.

 

[dvw]

You will probably have normal test level after 6 to 8 weeks from now. You ran a very serious cycle for 120 days you're body is still trying to get HPTA up and running. I think you may have wanted to run pct a littlelonger

 

[livestrong82]

I will get these same bloods done in 8 weeks and I'll see where I stand.
Like I said no negative sides yet
Gainz still present

 

[CatSnake]

a couple things...

what were your doses?

did you use HCG on cycle?

any idea of your pre-cycle testosterone levels?

FWIW, for a 4 month cycle, I would run a longer and lower dose PCT. prolly something like 12 weeks of clomid at 25 mg/day.... high doses lead to an initial spike in LH, but that doesn't actually speed up HPTA recovery. you were suppressed for 4 months... recovery is gonna take time. next time I'd suggest tweaking your PCT....

also, your prolactin is a smidge high... I'd deal with that and get it lower.

 

[Jinsun]

I will get these same bloods done in 8 weeks and I'll see where I stand.
Like I said no negative sides yet
Gainz still present

Just out of interest, have you gotten your bloods done again?