Mild - safe Prohormone for cut

[KOSTASKARAS]

What is the best option?

11 - oxo
XI-KT
Epi 2a3a
something else?

 

[bobi593]

epi especially the legit one is not ph it steroid, hard to find good reviews on 11 oxo l would go with XI-KT

 

[heavylifter33]

What do you mean by safe? Prohormones are safe as long as you take the necessary precautions and do not have any underlying medical conditions.

 

[Niclas Bruun]

The XI-KT is that Something You can run without a pct and all the other Stuff?

 

[bobi593]

The XI-KT is that Something You can run without a pct and all the other Stuff?

all those products will hit your hormones to some degree blood work in the end of the cycle and base on this pct or not

 

[NoAddedHmones]

The XI-KT is that Something You can run without a pct and all the other Stuff?

Your list in terms of strength is something like

EPI>>>>>>>>11-kt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>11-oxo

Roughly.

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

epi especially the legit one is not ph it steroid, hard to find good reviews on 11 oxo l would go with XI-KT

XI-KT at what dosage and how long?
I think it is a spray....
How do you use that? Where do i have to sprey on body?
Support in cycle is needed? What?
PCT?

 

[Alex281]

The XI-KT is that Something You can run without a pct and all the other Stuff?

It's all depends on cycles length + dosages

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

6 weeks cycle is ok?
1,5 ml per day is ok?
nolva PCT for 4 weeks 20/20/10/10 is ok?

 

[Niclas Bruun]

It's all depends on cycles length + dosages

Well how long Should I run It and what Should The dose be if I want to do it without pct?

 

[Alex281]

Well how long Should I run It and what Should The dose be if I want to do it without pct?

Cycles length- 6-7 weeks max , dosages shouldn't be over 150mg daily

 

[Juicedeez utz]

I don't understand why people want to use PH and not PCT, what's wrong with you? You wanna mess up you HPTA? Even mild compounds can mess you up man, everyone is different in the way things effects them! Unless you're getting blood before and during, always SERM just in case........

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

6 weeks cycle is ok?
1,5 ml per day is ok?
nolva PCT for 4 weeks 20/20/10/10 is ok?

 

[Juicedeez utz]

6 weeks cycle is ok?
1,5 ml per day is ok?
nolva PCT for 4 weeks 20/20/10/10 is ok?

I'd go for 8 weeks, but the rest looks fine yeah

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I'd go for 8 weeks, but the rest looks fine yeah

Support in cycle is needed? What?

 

[Juicedeez utz]

If you can be bothered to research yourself, you shouldn't be taking drugs

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

If you can be bothered to research yourself, you shouldn't be taking drugs

I did search and read and i found someone said that no need for cycle support and someone said that Support in cycle is needed.
What should i do?

 

[Todd Garner]

Good Epistane does wonders for me.

 

[niklasericson]

I would say 400mg 11 Keto for 6-8weeks and with this dose you can get away with a OTC pct.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I would say 400mg 11 Keto for 6-8weeks and with this dose you can get away with a OTC pct.

Wow

 

[Ricky10]

Some "milder" prohormones that I like are:

Hexadrone (will get you ripped)
Cynostane
Androsterone

All are great for a cut...

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

Last year i did a 2 months cut with Alphamine + Nolvadren-XT with good results.
Is the XI-KT stronger than that?

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

Last year i did a 2 months cut with Alphamine + Nolvadren-XT with good results.
Is the XI-KT stronger than that?

 

[Ricky10]

Last year i did a 2 months cut with Alphamine + Nolvadren-XT with good results.
Is the XI-KT stronger than that?

Yes..11-KT is too strong for me as far as drying me out, even though it is a very mild prohormone. It is too tough on my joints so I lose a lot of strength. It makes it hard for me to lift a grocery bag that only contains a package of napkins.

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

If 11-kt is that strong for cut i will try it

 

[Ricky10]

If 11-kt is that strong for cut i will try it

Not a bad choice there. If you want to back up the drying out leaning affect with something natural, I have had exceptional luck with Myokem Alphadex which tends to be fairly easy on the joints. It has impressive reviews and it is still available..

 

[bobi593]

Not a bad choice there. If you want to back up the drying out leaning affect with something natural, I have had exceptional luck with Myokem Alphadex which tends to be fairly easy on the joints. It has impressive reviews and it is still available..

he will be suppress anyway i would take low dose of osta 5-10mg/day for joints protections

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

is the Olympus lab Sup3r 11 the same thing as 11kt?

 

[solidsnake]

If you can be bothered to research yourself, you shouldn't be taking drugs

This is what does my head in, people join the forum just to ask questions, don't bother doing any research, don't bother using the search function, don't care about pct and worse of all; aggressive asking! What about this????
What about that???
Fuk off somewhere else if your only here to take and run.. way too many noobs coming on like this lately.there are other ways of asking. How about introducing yourself 1st? It really grinds my gears !!

 

[Ricky10]

is the Olympus lab Sup3r 11 the same thing as 11kt?

Yes...and OL Super-11 is very potent. It was the best value...not sure what it goes for nowadays since being discontinued though..

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I found it at a UK site at 65 euro.
It is 120ml and i read it is good for cut.
with 1 bottle i can make 30 days cut at 4ml per day. With 11-kt i need 2 bottles and the cost will be almost 120 euro.

As i read at that low dosage (4ml) it is recommended at the very least an OTC product for PCT.
I have bought Nolva already. Is it safer to use it as PCT along with a testbooster or it is too much?
At what dosage do i have to use Nolva as a PCT?

 

[Ricky10]

I have never run it high enough or long enough to worry about any significant suppression. Someone that has may be able to make a more accurate recommendation for you...

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I have never run it high enough or long enough to worry about any significant suppression. Someone that has may be able to make a more accurate recommendation for you...

At what dosage do you use it and for how long?

 

[Woody]

I found it at a UK site at 65 euro.
It is 120ml and i read it is good for cut.
with 1 bottle i can make 30 days cut at 4ml per day. With 11-kt i need 2 bottles and the cost will be almost 120 euro.

As i read at that low dosage (4ml) it is recommended at the very least an OTC product for PCT.
I have bought Nolva already. Is it safer to use it as PCT along with a testbooster or it is too much?
At what dosage do i have to use Nolva as a PCT?

Yeah, I'd run Nolva but you can run a lower dose. If funds allow, adding Epi-Andro will further the drying/leaning effect. Will overall be a mild, yet still suppressive, cutting stack.

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

Yes i read about adding Epi-Andro at....
"Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know! "
at the forum.

By adding Epi-Andro is much more drying/leaning effect than run SUP3R-11 solo?

lower dose? At 2ml?

If i run SUP3R-11 solo for 30 days what dosage of Nolva for 1 month?
If i run SUP3R-11 and Epi-Andro for 30 days what dosage of Nolva for 1 month?

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

it is safer to use Nolvadex (20/10/10/10) for 4 weeks and a testbooster (DAA)?

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

By adding Epi-Andro is much more drying/leaning effect than run SUP3R-11 solo?

it is safer to use Nolvadex (20/10/10/10) for 4 weeks and a testbooster (DAA) or erase pro?

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

it is safer to use Nolvadex (20/10/10/10) for 4 weeks and a testbooster (DAA)?

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I am thinking a 5 weeks cycle

Olympus UK SUP3R-11 ------> 2ml/3ml/4ml/4ml/4ml (1 bottle)
Olympus UK SUP3R-EPI ELITE ------>500/750/1000/1000/1000 (1 bottle)
Pure Cycle Protect

PCT
Nolvadex (20/20/10/10) for 4 weeks
AlphaMax XT for 4 weeks or Daa

It is oK?

 

[Woody]

Alphamax over DAA but try to extend to 6-8 weeks if possible.

 

[dvw]

8 weeks 11 ketotestosterone transdermal at 150-300 mgs per day. Epiandrosterone won't make a lot of difference it my opinion. 8 weeks 11 kt is able to illicit several pounds of fat loss with few pounds LBM gainz. RUN NOLVA as pct!

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

8 weeks 11 ketotestosterone transdermal at 150-300 mgs per day. Epiandrosterone won't make a lot of difference it my opinion. 8 weeks 11 kt is able to illicit several pounds of fat loss with few pounds LBM gainz. RUN NOLVA as pct!

I will go Olympus UK SUP3R-11 solo then for 8 weeks
do i have to buy 2 bottles and run in as 4ml for 8 weeks or
1 bottle and run it 2ml for 8 weeks?

 

[dvw]

I think 4ml daily will definitely give you more LBM gainz. But 2ml is enough for just fat loss, not much gainz.

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I think 4ml daily will definitely give you more LBM gainz. But 2ml is enough for just fat loss, not much gainz.

ok
I will go for 4ml per day

Pure Cycle Protect it is ok for the cycle?

Thanks a lot

 

[Juicedeez utz]

That cycle support will be fine

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

on cycle can i still take C4 Pre-Workout
and Pes Alphamine(with yohimbine hcl) before cardio

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

What about my diet?
Do i have to drop calories or what?

on cycle can i still take C4 Pre-Workout
and Pes Alphamine(with yohimbine hcl) before cardio?

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I do know that On cycle blood pressure is a concern and pre workouts do the same.

I dont know about SUP3R-11.

 

[KOSTASKARAS]

I did 11 oxo solo run a few years back with core nutritional core alpha test booster for pct. Good results, mild compound with nice hardening and recomp effects. If you go OTC on the PCT then Olympus Labs Super PCT has certified ingredients and probably the best I've come across. And I've used a lot of them.

However I will say this though, after running my first proper cycle of Test E and TBol, I realised that this is by far the safest and best option with the type of results a gym enthusiast wants to achieve. Providing you're a healthy male with no pre existing health issues, no reason why this shouldn't be safe, simple and straight forward providing you've done your research and know what your doing. I'm an advocate of using a test base with everything.

Sorry but my english are not too good...
Are you saying that....
cycle of Test E and TBol, is the safest and best option ?

 

[dvw]

11KT over the counter transdermal supplement to injecting test and taking methylated oral is a BIG JUMP! Take it slow.