Chronically sick with very low testosterone.

[Red20]

I hope this is the right place to post this, but I know there a lot of very intelligent people in this forum so I'm hoping someone can give me some advice on how others would handle this situation. I have been chronically sick for over 15 years now and have not gotten proper help from M.D.s. In 2002 I was in the best shape of my life, very muscular, running 5-10 miles every other day, lifting weights 3-4 times a week and was training for my first Triathlon and then I got hit by a flu-like illness and have never been the same.

I have been diagnosed with chronic epstein barr virus and HHV-6 virus. I recently had my testosterone tested and it is only at 272 ng/dL, Free is 5.17 ng/dL and Estradiol is 11.5 pg/ml. The M.D. wants to put me on HRT for the rest of my life, but I am trying to figure out a way to restore my natural testosterone production.

I have been researching stem cell treatments for a couple of months now and have decided to go for it. I have heard and talked to others who have had amazing healing with stem cells. Everything from Lyme to MS to Parkinsons to Chronic Fatigue have been healed with stem cells.

My question is would it be a good idea to try taking HCG or Nolvadex when I get my stem cells in an effort to regenerate my natural testosterone production?

I am open to any ideas to restore my natural testosterone production that anyone might have. Thanks.

 

[hambone2493]

Hcg may be a good idea to try and get some function back good luck!

 

[heavylifter33]

I hope this is the right place to post this, but I know there a lot of very intelligent people in this forum so I'm hoping someone can give me some advie. I have been chronically sick for over 15 years now and have not gotten proper help from M.D.s. In 2002 I was in the best shape of my life, very muscular, running 5-10 miles every other day, lifting weights 3-4 times a week and was training for my first Triathlon and then I got hit by a flu-like illness and have never been the same.

I have been diagnosed with chronic epstein barr virus and HHV-6 virus. I recently had my testosterone tested and it is only at 272 ng/dL, Free is 5.17 ng/dL and Estradiol is 11.5 pg/ml. The M.D. wants to put me on HRT for the rest of my life, but I am trying to figure out a way to restore my natural testosterone production.

I have been researching stem cell treatments for a couple of months now and have decided to go for it. I have heard and talked to others who have had amazing healing with stem cells. Everything from Lyme to MS to Parkinsons to Chronic Fatigue have been healed with stem cells.

My question is would it be a good idea to try taking HCG or Nolvadex when I get my stem cells in an effort to regenerate my natural testosterone production?

I am open to any ideas to restore my natural testosterone production that anyone might have. Thanks.

No one here should be giving you advice on this matter as we are not close to being qualified to.

 

[Brandinooooo]

No one here should be giving you advice on this matter as we are not close to being qualified to.

Exactly.

 

[Red20]

No one here should be giving you advice on this matter as we are not close to being qualified to.

I apologize. I should have worded it differently. I should have said if anyone else was hypothetically in this position how would you handle this situation?

Just looking for ideas on how others would handle this if they were in my position.

 

[Joedoubledose]

If I were in that situation I would take the hrt, pharm grade testosterone , overseen by an endo . I'd want to live the happiest life I could and I know that if I were to have something like that happen to me after say 35 I'd have no question about going the testosterone replacement route .

 

[Red20]

Hcg may be a good idea to try and get some function back good luck!

Thanks hambone! I don't have a life now, zero energy and not able to work, so I am trying to come up with a plan to try to restore my health.

After I get the stem cells I am going to have my Doctor prescribe HCG, Clomid and Nolvedex and give it a shot.

This is my plan:
HCG 2,000 I.U. every other day for 20 days
Clomid 50mg twice daily for 30 days
Nolvadex 20mg once daily for 45 days

 

[Red20]

I came across an interesting article from Medical News Today. com that states stem cell researchers were able to develop Leydig cells with stem cells and restore testosterone production in rodents. Hopefully they are able to this in humans soon!

If you do a search for "restoring testosterone with stem cells" you can read about it.

 

[hambone2493]

I'm assuming your in your 30's so you may want to ponder on how long you will be producing natural test due to your age. Because unless your planning on having more children HRT maybe the way to go. Because even if the stem cell treatment brings back your test it may for a few years and it may just decline due to your age. So it may be cheaper to just go on HRT. That being said IDK what stem cell will do for your virus.

 

[hambone2493]

No one here should be giving you advice on this matter as we are not close to being qualified to.

That sums up this entire forum lol

 

[heavylifter33]

Thanks hambone! I don't have a life now, zero energy and not able to work, so I am trying to come up with a plan to try to restore my health.

After I get the stem cells I am going to have my Doctor prescribe HCG, Clomid and Nolvedex and give it a shot.

This is my plan:
HCG 2,000 I.U. every other day for 20 days
Clomid 50mg twice daily for 30 days
Nolvadex 20mg once daily for 45 days

Don't know why you even bother consulting a physician when you seem to know everything.

 

[Nac]

Don't know why you even bother consulting a physician when you seem to know everything.

Lmao

Guess some see their docs as authorised drug dealers.

 

[hambone2493]

Don't know why you even bother consulting a physician when you seem to know everything.

Well that was uncalled for

 

[bosskardo]

Ashwagandha
Around 50mg whitaniloides
It doesn't give noticeable effect right away but beneficial around the board. Shown to increase test, reduce cortisol, strengthen immune system.

Not a solution on it's own but a good place to start.

 

[heavylifter33]

Well that was uncalled for

It is called for. The OP has no medical background yet thinks he can self diagnose and self prescribe to fix one of the most complicated systems in the body.

 

[hambone2493]

It is called for. The OP has no medical background yet thinks he can self diagnose and self prescribe to fix one of the most complicated systems in the body.

He said he was going to go to his Dr... So this is just an idea of what the plan may be.

 

[hambone2493]

He said he was going to go to his Dr... So this is just an idea of what the plan may be.

I think he's just excited and really wants to get feeling better, and I know when I get into something I like to plan stuff out and what not. I think he's safe though, because Dr's aren't really supposed to prescribe drugs because you ask for it.

 

[Joedoubledose]

Well that was uncalled for

Don't mind the a$$ hat, all he does is troll post have yet to see something constructive posted by him on this forum. Pay him no mind.

 

[heavylifter33]

Don't mind the a$$ hat, all he does is troll post have yet to see something constructive posted by him on this forum. Pay him no mind.

If you don't see how my post is constructive you are incredibly ignorant. It's not my fault you have no scientific background.

Cry more.

 

[hambone2493]

I'm not offended I see exactly where Rhadam is coming from. I think we are beating a dead horse here guys... We all know we aren't doctors we are just guys throwing out ideas.

 

[Joedoubledose]

If you don't see how my post is constructive you are incredibly ignorant. It's not my fault you have no scientific background.

Cry more.

Lol cry more , no ones crying over someone who just trolls . And what is your scientific background exactly ? Just stop being a **** talker on this forum and trying to neg everything you see .

 

[heavylifter33]

Lol cry more , no ones crying over someone who just trolls . And what is your scientific background exactly ? Just stop being a **** talker on this forum and trying to neg everything you see .

In no way shape or form is that what i do, and i've been helping people on this board and others for a decade. You seem really obsessed with me, i'm flattered.

Anyways.

 

[heavylifter33]

I'm not offended I see exactly where Rhadam is coming from. I think we are beating a dead horse here guys... We all know we aren't doctors we are just guys throwing out ideas.

The key is to realize that ideas can be harmful. We don't know the full extent of the OP pathology. Fact is, his endocrine system isn't going to be restored by simple SERM use, and his stem cell theory is far-fetched at best. He states he's going to have his physician prescribe him "x Y Z" like doctors just do whatever the ill-informed patients ask them to lol. The OP needs to stop reading random articles on the internet on subjects he can't fathom and listen to his trained specialists.

 

[hambone2493]

First off, even you calling stem cell treatments far-fetched is hypocritical, because I doubt you could fathom the complexities of the subject lol. Secondly these are ideas are not harming anyone because he is going to have to consult his physician to get the drugs he was curious about. All I did was say it may be a good idea. Either way we have high jacked this guy's thread with this pointless conversation, because we really do agree that he should talk to his physician, and see if these drugs would help him.

 

[brofessorx]

If you're looking for natural options, this should be in the supplement section.

But I'll tell you this. Nothing will boost your immune system like supplementing with exogenous testosterone.

 

[fdigioia99]

I hope this is the right place to post this, but I know there a lot of very intelligent people in this forum so I'm hoping someone can give me some advice on how others would handle this situation. I have been chronically sick for over 15 years now and have not gotten proper help from M.D.s. In 2002 I was in the best shape of my life, very muscular, running 5-10 miles every other day, lifting weights 3-4 times a week and was training for my first Triathlon and then I got hit by a flu-like illness and have never been the same.

I have been diagnosed with chronic epstein barr virus and HHV-6 virus. I recently had my testosterone tested and it is only at 272 ng/dL, Free is 5.17 ng/dL and Estradiol is 11.5 pg/ml. The M.D. wants to put me on HRT for the rest of my life, but I am trying to figure out a way to restore my natural testosterone production.

I have been researching stem cell treatments for a couple of months now and have decided to go for it. I have heard and talked to others who have had amazing healing with stem cells. Everything from Lyme to MS to Parkinsons to Chronic Fatigue have been healed with stem cells.

My question is would it be a good idea to try taking HCG or Nolvadex when I get my stem cells in an effort to regenerate my natural testosterone production?

I am open to any ideas to restore my natural testosterone production that anyone might have. Thanks.

Seek out advice from DavidDunne. He's a member on this site.

 

[Joedoubledose]

In no way shape or form is that what i do, and i've been helping people on this board and others for a decade. You seem really obsessed with me, i'm flattered.

Anyways.

Don't flatter yourself

 

[Red20]

It is called for. The OP has no medical background yet thinks he can self diagnose and self prescribe to fix one of the most complicated systems in the body.

I am consulting with a HRT M.D. He is more motivated to put me on HRT for the rest of my life, but is open to ideas. Of course anything I do will be approved by my Doctor. You have done nothing but made assumptions and acted like a pompous jerk.

In my very first post I stated I was working with an M.D. you idiot.

 

[Red20]

Don't know why you even bother consulting a physician when you seem to know everything.

You have offered me nothing constructive and just been a jack ass. Is everyone on this forum offering advice a qualified M.D.? Hell no. Are people offering other people advice on this forum on how to use steroids? Hell yes. **** off and stay out of my thread.

 

[Red20]

First off, even you calling stem cell treatments far-fetched is hypocritical, because I doubt you could fathom the complexities of the subject lol. Secondly these are ideas are not harming anyone because he is going to have to consult his physician to get the drugs he was curious about. All I did was say it may be a good idea. Either way we have high jacked this guy's thread with this pointless conversation, because we really do agree that he should talk to his physician, and see if these drugs would help him.

This guy had a stem cell transplant 10 years ago to treat his cancer. It boosted his immune system and his testosterone levels. I might just get the stem cell transplant and monitor my testosterone levels and see if they recover naturally. If not I can go down the HRT road later with my M.D. then.

You can't post links until you have 100 posts so I posted a broken link if you want to watch his stem cell story. His You Tube name is "carpyeditor".

youtube. com /watch?v=Cy1P8UjCdPo&t=298s

 

[rascal14]

Why not just immediately go on TRT and begin to feel better like your doctor is suggesting instead of suffering any longer, for what? Why don't you want to be on TRT?

 

[heavylifter33]

Don't flatter yourself

lol whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night.

 

[Joedoubledose]

lol whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night.

Pretty sure those were your own words .. so

 

[fueledpassion]

If you don't see how my post is constructive you are incredibly ignorant. It's not my fault you have no scientific background.

Cry more.

By scientific, does that mean possessing some sort of University Degree or Medical degree related to the scientific method?

Science, in and of itself, is just knowledge. There isn't a particular way one has to obtain knowledge. Personally, I feel like there is truth to both what you are saying and what opposing members are saying regarding the situation at hand in this thread. This problem is a very rare, specific problem that requires advise from someone who specializes in it or has studied it for years or has experienced it first hand for some time. On the flip side, I think it is a joke to think that individuals can't learn or understand something "scientific" or "medical" as well as a doctor can or does understand these things. They read. And talk. That's about the extent of their experience other than prescribing something to a patient and seeing what happens and then ruling out certain possibilities. I believe specialists have something worth valuing higher than what informal education can offer but having said that, endocrinologists in particular are (in many cases but not all) a total joke these days. They don't stay up on things. They are the ones that will say something stupid like "well, your T levels are low but still in the reference range @ 370, so since it's in reference, you are fine and shouldn't worry about it." We've all either personally heard something so stupid or know someone who experienced their endo telling them something of this magnitude of ignorance.

It's totally fine to think this gentleman ought to seek out advise and guidance from a specialist but it's also totally fine to accept that people can learn and research on their own and should do so because their body is their own responsibility, not someone else's.

 

[Bunshichi]

Ok so before I hear massive nonconstructive critique to my comment I will declare that I'm not yet qualified to put out medical advice.

Give me three more month and I will have at least a bachelors degree in biology with the profile genetics, cellbiology and cellphysiology. Still, as I am working in a department specialised on stem cells and differentiation I believe I'm one of the few people here that are near to be qualified to actually talk specifically about this topic.

The general problem with stem-cell therapy is that you can not be sure all cells are terminally determined to differentiate into the right cell type by the point you inject them. So there always is a risk of teratome formation.

The processes of determination and differentiation are dependend on a multitude of factors. The process of programming stem cells is not reliable yet and not nearly all influences are understood or even documented yet.

The endrocrine system determines the amount of most factors involved. Tamox is reducing IGF-1 levels for example and I don't know if it has any influence on FGF for example. So treatment with such drugs and or others like HRT will change the factors that determine the cells you are putting into your body.

So if there are cells not terminally determined between those you are injecting you will raise the risk of them forming something unwanted.

So in my opinion doing both therapies together raises the risks without positives I see in combining. So first do one, then do the other.

However of couse speak to a trained physician towards this matter as obviously being a member here automatically makes one totally unqualified.

 

[brofessorx]

I was a brain surgeon before quitting to become a brofessor. Back then, I would run 26miles before operating on brains. I was and benching 305x10 and squatting 425x10, (ass to grass of course). But lifting heavy caused my to get shorter. I used to be 6' 230, 8%bf.
I love the internet.
:smoker:

I'm not saying anyone who isn't who they claim to be. I'm saying it doesn't matter because anyone can claim anything.

 

[Bunshichi]

I was a brain surgeon before quitting to become a brofessor. Back then, I would run 26miles before operating on brains. I was and benching 305x10 and squatting 425x10, (ass to grass of course). But lifting heavy caused my to get shorter. I used to be 6' 230, 8%bf.
I love the internet.
:smoker:

I'm not saying anyone who isn't who they claim to be. I'm saying it doesn't matter because anyone can claim anything.

And back in thd day you opened the skulls with your teeth and closed them with bubblegum....


As long as people don't really check for their physician to be what he claims, what most people don't do, his advice should not be worth much more.

Also as goes with every advice, one should always check things at other places and evaluate the information, even if it is something a real Professor in the medical field said.

Just assuming nobody is qualified because I didn't check their qualifications is just as hillarious as taking everything on the internet for the truth imo.

 

[brofessorx]

It's what I tell all my clients.
" don't just take people's advice as gold, not even mine, take it, then go home research, and decide for yourself."

 

[rascal14]

It's what I tell all my clients.
" don't just take people's advice as gold, not even mine, take it, then go home research, and decide for yourself."

I try to tell my girlfriend the same thing about stuff I'm teaching her about.. it doesn't work.

 

[Joedoubledose]

It's what I tell all my clients.
" don't just take people's advice as gold, not even mine, take it, then go home research, and decide for yourself."

Hence why people get second opinions from diff doctors

 

[Red20]

So I went forward with the stem cell transplant in August. I decided to do it without utilizing any HCG or Nolvadex, even though my M.D. offered to prescribe them to me. I wanted to see what would happen with only stem cells.

My M.D. said that it can take up to 12 months to realize the full benefits of a stem cell transplant, but after only 3 months I could already tell a difference in my health.

At 3 months post stem cell transplant I had blood work done and my testosterone has gone up from 272 ng/dL to over 600 ng/dL! My free testosterone has gone up from 5.17 ng/dL to over 9 ng/dL! The only thing I did different is have a stem cell transplant.

For the first time in a long time I have hope for my future. I am not anywhere close to 100% yet, but I can tell the stem cells are making profound changes in my body and I still have 8 more months to realize the full benefits.