AM cycle pro's guide my cycle

[JahCure]

Gentlemen, I'm looking to run a simple yet productive mass gain cycle, any input would be greatly appreciated.

STATS:
6'00"
176lbs
~12%
30 y/o

POSSIBLE OPTIONS:
1-ad + 4-ad + clomid
4-ad + epi + clomid
Epi solo + clomid
Hdrol solo + clomid

I'm leaning toward 4ad + epi because I have had minor gyno issues in the past and would like to avoid if possible.

Thanks in advance for the input.

Edit: updated with nudez on pg 2.

 

[elo76]

When you say EPI, what are you talking about Andro or Stane?

 

[DennisC1986]

Wouldn't 4 cause more of a risk for gyno than 1 or epi? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[elo76]

Wouldn't 4 cause more of a risk for gyno than 1 or epi? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct.

I recommend, for the OP, to run 1 Andro and EPI Andro.

Neither will aromatize so no gyno.

With Epistane you need to worry about gyno post PCT.

 

[JahCure]

You are correct.

I recommend, for the OP, to run 1 Andro and EPI Andro.

Neither will aromatize so no gyno.

With Epistane you need to worry about gyno post PCT.

Yeah epistane was my original thought, thanks for clarifying. Was thinking it would help keep oestrogen down with the 4-ad.

But I guess your right, 1 Andro would even make less of a worry and less chance of estrogen rebound at PCT. I wouldn't be able to expect as much weight gain with this combo though would I?

Thanks for the input.

 

[elo76]

That's all diet dependent. I lost bf and put in lean mass.

 

[JahCure]

Alright so I've gone ahead and picked up 2 bottles of OL 1-andro.

Any other opinions on what to stack with the 1-andro to maximize gains but keep sides to a minimum?

Thanks again for your input elo76

 

[elo76]

Alright so I've gone ahead and picked up 2 bottles of OL 1-andro.

Any other opinions on what to stack with the 1-andro to maximize gains but keep sides to a minimum?

Thanks again for your input elo76

No problem man. You now need a base to counter the sides.

Like I said earlier. EPI Andro will not convert to estrogen so you should have absolutely no chance of gyno with that combo.

Be sure to have enough of each compound to run 1 Andro at 330 and EPI Andro at 1000 for 8 weeks.

To maximize the gains like you asked...I would run 1/4/EPI combo at 330/330/1000 for 8 weeks. You will be fine on estro sides as the EPI Andro competes for the same receptor. Then you have everything covered. Still have an AI on hand just in case. No OTC stuff.

 

[JahCure]

No problem man. You now need a base to counter the sides.

Like I said earlier. EPI Andro will not convert to estrogen so you should have absolutely no chance of gyno with that combo.

Be sure to have enough of each compound to run 1 Andro at 330 and EPI Andro at 1000 for 8 weeks.

To maximize the gains like you asked...I would run 1/4/EPI combo at 330/330/1000 for 8 weeks. You will be fine on estro sides as the EPI Andro competes for the same receptor. Then you have everything covered. Still have an AI on hand just in case. No OTC stuff.

Gotcha! Your suggesting adding the 4 AND the epiandro. Damn this cycle is getting expensive! I don't know how you guys afford multiple cycles per year haha.

I will be using clomid at 50/50/25/25

Thanks again brother

 

[elo76]

Gotcha! Your suggesting adding the 4 AND the epiandro. Damn this cycle is getting expensive! I don't know how you guys afford multiple cycles per year haha.

I will be using clomid at 50/50/25/25

Thanks again brother

Yeppers. That's your best bet and to maximize gains. And yes...andros are expensive. Clomid looks good. Get a natural test booster like mtest or alphamax to run along side it.

Also, Pick up some Ar1macare Pro for on cycle support. You can run half dose.

 

[JahCure]

Thanks bro.

So in an attempt to keep cost down I purchased a product that contains all 3 compounds in the following dosages:
1-ad 75mg
4-ad 75mg
Epiandro 150mg / pill

I realize these dosages are not quite optimal.
My question is which layout looks better?

1-ad / 4-ad
225/225/300/300/300/300
Epiandro
450/450/600/600/600/600

Or

1-ad / 4-ad
300/300/300/375/375
Epiandro
600/600/600/750/750

With the Pct as clomid and supplement earlier suggested.

 

[elo76]

Neither.

You need more product.

Run 300/600 for 4 weeks
Run 375/750 for 4 weeks.

Personally I would run 375/750 the whole time.
You need 8 weeks man.

Only problem with what you bought is now we can't find tune your dosages if needed.

For example. You may be ok with going to 375 on the 1 but you need 300 on the 4 because it gave some estro sides at 375.

 

[JahCure]

Neither.

You need more product.

Run 300/600 for 4 weeks
Run 375/750 for 4 weeks.

Personally I would run 375/750 the whole time.
You need 8 weeks man.

Only problem with what you bought is now we can't find tune your dosages if needed.

For example. You may be ok with going to 375 on the 1 but you need 300 on the 4 because it gave some estro sides at 375.

Yeah I get you there not being able to fine tune the dosages. That's what I get for being cheap I guess hah.

Ok 3rd bottle is being ordered now so I can run the full 8 weeks.

 

[JahCure]

Neither.

You need more product.

Run 300/600 for 4 weeks
Run 375/750 for 4 weeks.

Personally I would run 375/750 the whole time.
You need 8 weeks man.

Only problem with what you bought is now we can't find tune your dosages if needed.

For example. You may be ok with going to 375 on the 1 but you need 300 on the 4 because it gave some estro sides at 375.

Elo, I'm going to be doing the cycle as you proposed. While taking 4 caps are you breaking it up 2am 1midday 1 nighttime?

 

[yates84]

You are correct.

I recommend, for the OP, to run 1 Andro and EPI Andro.

Neither will aromatize so no gyno.

With Epistane you need to worry about gyno post PCT.

Wrong. This does not hold true for everyone. Epistane and other dht derivatives can lower shbg to the point where it causes on cycle gyno. Anything that interacts with the androgen receptor has the potential to cause gyno. If you're gonna give advice at least make it right.

 

[DennisC1986]

Wrong. This does not hold true for everyone. Epistane and other dht derivatives can lower shbg to the point where it causes on cycle gyno. Anything that interacts with the androgen receptor has the potential to cause gyno. If you're gonna give advice at least make it right.

What can be done on cycle to keep shbg from getting that low? Anything? Curious because it seems like epi andro would fall under the dht category you mentioned, no?

 

[yates84]

What can be done on cycle to keep shbg from getting that low? Anything? Curious because it seems like epi andro would fall under the dht category you mentioned, no?

You want shbg low, less shbg means more sex hormones like testosterone but it also means more estrogen. Have exemestane and nolva on hand and you will be fine. Epiandro is a dht derivative as well, never heard of it causing high estrogen sides but it is definitely a possibility.

 

[elo76]

Wrong. This does not hold true for everyone. Epistane and other dht derivatives can lower shbg to the point where it causes on cycle gyno. Anything that interacts with the androgen receptor has the potential to cause gyno. If you're gonna give advice at least make it right.

Sorry. Learned something new. I was only aware of the risks of gyno post pct due to rebound with epistane.

So this goes for all...msten, dmz, alpha 1..etc?

 

[JahCure]

Gentlemen, my friend is 3 weeks in on this same cycle and running into some issues I believe to be related to us not being able to alter the dosages of compounds individually (as all 3 compounds are in one pill).

My question is, if he is seeing extreme lethargy to the point he wants to stop cycle, can getting more epi and increasing the dose from 600 to 1000 have any effect there?

Current doses: 300mg 1 / 300mg 4 / 600mg epi

 

[elo76]

It may or may not help. You can try though. I went up to 1250.

 

[DennisC1986]

All I can say is in my experience, I've been on 440mg of 1 and 4 for a few weeks and 1000 epi and lethargy is very minimal

 

[JahCure]

All I can say is in my experience, I've been on 440mg of 1 and 4 for a few weeks and 1000 epi and lethargy is very minimal

Good to know, maybe I'll just tell him to try upping the dose of all, if that doesn't change anything I'll tell him to get some more epi and up the epi alone.

 

[elo76]

Good to know, maybe I'll just tell him to try upping the dose of all, if that doesn't change anything I'll tell him to get some more epi and up the epi alone.

If he is experiencing lethargy now and you up everything, that could possibly make things worse. You would also be upping the compound that is causing it.

I would just add in additional epi

 

[DennisC1986]

That's kind of what I was trying to suggest.

 

[JahCure]

Ok cool we will just grab a few bottles of epi to increase that dose. Thanks gentlemen

 

[JahCure]

Hey guys just wanted to throw down a quick update for my 1/4/epi 8 week cycle. Just finished the last day today, up about 11 lbs (186lbs), currently consuming 4K cals/day.

Here's how f****d up my body image is, over the last week and a half I've been thinking "damn I'm getting fat, can't wait to start a cut" and then I took a few photos and thought "damnit I'm skinny as sh*t!!"

I'm all screwed up, anyways, here's a nude for anyone interested.

 

[JahCure]

3 days in on PCT clomid at 25mg and zero issues so far, mood and energy are both good.

On another note if anyone can throw some input my way for a next cycle it would be appreciated. I will have a newborn baby at the time so TD is out, I also will not be injecting as it's not worth losing my career over.

So far I have collected 4-AD (androtest) and tbol. I'm hoping to get more out of my next cycle than this one. Any input on what to change/ and or add for more mass would be appreciated gentlemen!

 

[JahCure]

Any input on my next cycle fellas? Tbol/4-ad or msten/4-ad? Something different entirely? Any opinions are welcomed