1,4 Andro Log

[astronomical]

Hey fam, about to start my first cycle ever. Going to be running 1, 4 andro at 300/300/300/300/400/400 each for 6 weeks and might even venture into 7 or 8 weeks max seeing how it goes.I'll be dosing three times a day each of 100mg doses, 100mg in the morning, pre workout, and then last dose around 4 5pm. I'll be using Iron Mag Labs 1,4 andro for the first half of the cycle and then primeval labs for the second half just for cost efficiency. I wont be starting cycle support (Mega cycle support by Primeval Labs) untill two weeks in which I know is bad, but not much I can do cause I'm a little tight on budget right now so hopefully the non methylated aspect of 1 4 andro will be kind to my liver. I'll be using Nolva as PCT for four weeks at 20/20/10/10 and I have Alpha forma v as my AI just in case for any estro side effects.

I'm currently 5'10 height and I weigh 163 lbs in the morning. I'll be aiming for at least 3000-3500 calories everyday with at least 1g of protein per lb and 1-2 gallons of water a day.
My current starting stats:
Age: 22
Weight: 163 in the morning
BF: 16? Got a gut but no fat anywhere else
Squat:225 3x5
Bench:185 3x5
Deadlift: 315 3x5

I'm very excited to start my cycle and see what kind of gains I make because i'm an ectomorph and I gain muscle really fast but lose it really quick which is a blessing and a curse. Same goes with the strength as well. Just got to make sure I do my PCT properly and eat and lift properly to keep as much as I can. Also took 50mg DHEA for about 3 weeks and I broke all of my PR's on just that and had plenty of benefits alongside with some estro side effects so I have high hopes that this cycle will treat me well if regular DHEA helped me that much alone.

Will do my best to post everyday and if you guys have any questions or anything let me know!

 

[astronomical]

First day was interesting to say nonetheless. I wasn't expecting to feel much since i've heard how it takes two weeks for 1,4 andro to fully kick in. Popped 100mg with breakfast before going to class and weirdly had these random horny thoughts in class which rarely happen recently except when I was on regular DHEA. Took another 100 with a meal an hour before the gym and had a great workout. Had good pumps going that felt like they lasted a little longer than usual. I also had good constant energy throughout but took 1 scoop of c4 so don't know how much of the energy to attribute to 1,4 andro. Had another meal with another 100mg before heading to work and I had good energy throughout my entire shift and even was FULL OF ENERGY after I got off which never ever happens. I had enough energy to feel like I could head back to the gym a second time so that made me really excited when I was expecting to be tired or lethargic. My mood was also improved and Idk if it's placebo or what but I felt some feeling of alpha male euphoria and just felt great and also filled in the void that I felt when I stopped taking DHEA.
On a side note some weird things I felt.... I was sighing a lot today, maybe it's stressing my body? or it's not used to it yet? Also I had this random pain in my neck area.. Like the middle left side of the front of my neck. It was very random but appeared when I was at the gym and again at night for bit in both episodes. I'm sort of worried what would be. Also some bone pain in one of my left finger but i'm sure that'll subside with some fish oil. And I also had some tingling around my nipples which subsided very really quickly and I felt my balls tingle a bit but besides that all is good! Excited for another day and see what kind of results I get!

 

[hairygrandpa]

First day was interesting to say nonetheless. I wasn't expecting to feel much since i've heard how it takes two weeks for 1,4 andro to fully kick in. Popped 100mg with breakfast before going to class and weirdly had these random horny thoughts in class which rarely happen recently except when I was on regular DHEA. Took another 100 with a meal an hour before the gym and had a great workout. Had good pumps going that felt like they lasted a little longer than usual. I also had good constant energy throughout but took 1 scoop of c4 so don't know how much of the energy to attribute to 1,4 andro. Had another meal with another 100mg before heading to work and I had good energy throughout my entire shift and even was FULL OF ENERGY after I got off which never ever happens. I had enough energy to feel like I could head back to the gym a second time so that made me really excited when I was expecting to be tired or lethargic. My mood was also improved and Idk if it's placebo or what but I felt some feeling of alpha male euphoria and just felt great and also filled in the void that I felt when I stopped taking DHEA.
On a side note some weird things I felt.... I was sighing a lot today, maybe it's stressing my body? or it's not used to it yet? Also I had this random pain in my neck area.. Like the middle left side of the front of my neck. It was very random but appeared when I was at the gym and again at night for bit in both episodes. I'm sort of worried what would be. And I also had some tingling around my nipples which subsided very really quickly and I felt my balls tingle a bit but besides that all is good! Excited for another day and see what kind of results I get!

I'm in, lets see how it treats you.
Nipple tingling on the first day.
Placebo, bro, placebo -but placebo can be powerful.

Good choice to take andros with a meal, especially fats.
Be prepared for some lethargy mid cycle, a good stim should push you through it.

How does your workout look like?
Even though andros generally don't cause much estro trouble, one never knows.
Read a little about estro rebound and nolva. If you keep the cycle short, it may not be necessary to get a "real" AI, if you go for longer, it would be advised.
OTC AI is usually crap -and if sides appear they don't do sh1t (my opinion).

 

[astronomical]

I'm in, lets see how it treats you.
Nipple tingling on the first day.
Placebo, bro, placebo -but placebo can be powerful.

Good choice to take andros with a meal, especially fats.
Be prepared for some lethargy mid cycle, a good stim should push you through it.

How does your workout look like?
Even though andros generally don't cause much estro trouble, one never knows.
Read a little about estro rebound and nolva. If you keep the cycle short, it may not be necessary to get a "real" AI, if you go for longer, it would be advised.
OTC AI is usually crap -and if sides appear they don't do sh1t (my opinion).

Haha Yeah that's what I figured about the nipple tingling just needed the extra assurance!
And thanks for the advice, just a few things when the lethargy hits is that during the time my libido might go down as well? And will napping help the lethargy Or would I better off to down stims for it?

My current workout is
Monday-Chest, shoulder, tri
Tuesday-back and bi
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-rest
Friday-Chest shoulder tri
Saturday-Back and bi
Sunday-rest
I do about 3 exercises per body part mixing it up usually anywhere from 3x8 for accessory/smaller exercises to low as 3x4 or 3x5 on the bigger lifts Also thinking of starting 6x a week moving shoulders to leg day and doing legs twice a week instead to hit legs more often and utilize chest and tri day more.
Yeah I got to be extra cautious I feel because I did get some weird estrogen sides from just 3 weeks of 50mg dhea. And ok i'll definitely look into that!
And what would you recommend to do then if I do get any estro sides?
Thanks for all your help!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Haha Yeah that's what I figured about the nipple tingling just needed the extra assurance!
And thanks for the advice, just a few things when the lethargy hits is that during the time my libido might go down as well? And will napping help the lethargy Or would I better off to down stims for it?

My current workout is
Monday-Chest, shoulder, tri
Tuesday-back and bi
Wednesday-Legs
Thursday-rest
Friday-Chest shoulder tri
Saturday-Back and bi
Sunday-rest
I do about 3 exercises per body part mixing it up usually anywhere from 3x8 for accessory/smaller exercises to low as 3x4 or 3x5 on the bigger lifts Also thinking of starting 6x a week moving shoulders to leg day and doing legs twice a week instead to hit legs more often and utilize chest and tri day more.
Yeah I got to be extra cautious I feel because I did get some weird estrogen sides from just 3 weeks of 50mg dhea. And ok i'll definitely look into that!
And what would you recommend to do then if I do get any estro sides?
Thanks for all your help!

-Lethargy, most people use stims to fight it, like ECA, some don't even get lethargic.
-for e-sides and rebound, it is always best to have a true AI at hand, because when it starts, you will control it as quick as possible. Fiddling with an OTC AI costs valuable time, meanwhile gyno may develop. Don't be too afraid, estrogen is your friend -but if it gets too low or too high, it becomes a friend asking you for a loan.
Try to get some exemestane. You may not need it -but better save than sorry.

DHEA is a double edged sword. Most younger people (almost all, I guess) don't need it at all. It converts to a variety of hormones, not only test.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Looks good. In on this log! i ran super mandro and andro the giant not to long ago and had great results so in to see how you like the IML and primeval labs andro products. PCT looks g2g with the nolva.

 

[astronomical]

Day 2 is now in the books. Woke up feeling great and had that alpha male euphoria upon the first couple hours of waking up and I was also in a great mood the whole day. Libido seems to have definitely decreased from yesterday, hopefully it doesn't spiral downward from here because libido has been a big problem for me recently too. What's weird is that I woke up feeling really refreshed but about 2 hours into my day I started to feel real lethargic (maybe from my morning dose?) which I never do. I ended up coming home and eating a meal with my second dose getting ready to go to the gym and I ended up taking a nap for two hours and still felt tired but got myself up finally and took my third dose with another meal and headed out to the gym.

Did back and bi's today. Strength was about the same for most lifts, maybe a little stronger for some but idk how much of it I can attribute to the 1 4 andro. One thing I did notice though was my recovery periods were insane! I could do a set and then feel like I was ready to go for another one right after. My recovery time between sets was way shorter and I felt like I could workout forever. Didn't feel one bit of fatigue in the gym at all till the very end (2 and a half hours later) when I was in the sauna but even still the fatigue was barely there! Also had a pretty damn good pump as well. I was walking on the treadmill and had to stop because my legs started to get too pumped and hurt to walk lol. Also when I ate my post workout meal it felt like my jaws were getting pumped from all the chewing. Probably going to get some taurine soon in case I get the infamous back pumps.

On a side note I think I might be getting some anxiety from the 1 4 andro. It's like my body just itches to go to the gym and has some anxiety before but when i'm there and done for the rest of the day it goes away. Hopefully it doesn't get progressively worse as that was the case when I took a natural test booster i had bad anxiety. Also getting really sweaty palms/feet as well randomly so maybe i'll try spreading out the doses more evenly throughout the day instead of 9/12:30/4. Excited for day 3!

 

[astronomical]

-Lethargy, most people use stims to fight it, like ECA, some don't even get lethargic.
-for e-sides and rebound, it is always best to have a true AI at hand, because when it starts, you will control it as quick as possible. Fiddling with an OTC AI costs valuable time, meanwhile gyno may develop. Don't be too afraid, estrogen is your friend -but if it gets too low or too high, it becomes a friend asking you for a loan.
Try to get some exemestane. You may not need it -but better save than sorry.

DHEA is a double edged sword. Most younger people (almost all, I guess) don't need it at all. It converts to a variety of hormones, not only test.

Hmm yeah the lethargy I had today wasn't so hot so i'll definitely be drinking some coffee whenever it starts to hit. Yeah i'll definitely try to get my hands on some exemestane when I can. I think I might have benefited well from the DHEA because I am naturally low on test, I scored around 450 which was definitely on the lower end because normal range for my age is around mid 600's and the max being around 1100. So maybe it helps people with low T? But I can definitely see how for most younger people it wouldn't do too much.

 

[astronomical]

Looks good. In on this log! i ran super mandro and andro the giant not to long ago and had great results so in to see how you like the IML and primeval labs andro products. PCT looks g2g with the nolva.

Glad to hear you had great results with it! Having high expectations since it is my first cycle but so far the Iron Mag Labs 1,4 andro have been treating me nicely!

 

[LeanEngineer]

Glad to hear you had great results with it! Having high expectations since it is my first cycle but so far the Iron Mag Labs 1,4 andro have been treating me nicely!

Awesome! Good luck man! i'll follow along

 

[astronomical]

Done with day 3!
Not much change that happened. Had some lethargy again today and ended up taking another two hour nap even on coffee. Seems like i'm gonna need more sleep from here on now because 7 hours aint cutting it. My appetite seems to be getting bigger and seems like I can eat a little more and more often than previously which is good for the calorie surplus I need.
Idk if you guys feel the same way too? but I feel like the 1 4 andro is making me just a little more dumber, like when i'm in class I find it harder for me to focus and just space out easily along with being real slow to stuff I could solve easily. Hopefully this will go away soon and won't get any worse.
But Had a killer workout today. Did legs and my strength seemed stronger along with my stamina and recovery being top notch as wel! It's like my regular workouts don't even phase me anymore. Nothing too insane though. Can't wait to hit around the two week mark as i've heard that's where all the magic happens!

 

[LeanEngineer]

^^^ Yep the more you get into the cycle the better the results will be! Sounds like you had a good leg workout. Keep it up.

 

[elo76]

Done with day 3!
Not much change that happened. Had some lethargy again today and ended up taking another two hour nap even on coffee. Seems like i'm gonna need more sleep from here on now because 7 hours aint cutting it. My appetite seems to be getting bigger and seems like I can eat a little more and more often than previously which is good for the calorie surplus I need.
Idk if you guys feel the same way too? but I feel like the 1 4 andro is making me just a little more dumber, like when i'm in class I find it harder for me to focus and just space out easily along with being real slow to stuff I could solve easily. Hopefully this will go away soon and won't get any worse.
But Had a killer workout today. Did legs and my strength seemed stronger along with my stamina and recovery being top notch as wel! It's like my regular workouts don't even phase me anymore. Nothing too insane though. Can't wait to hit around the two week mark as i've heard that's where all the magic happens!

Give it a few weeks and some things will clear up. I had bad brain fog and headaches for the first 2 weeks.

My libido went in the crapper also. Picked up cialis to get me through.

 

[astronomical]

Day 4.
Seems like my body is finally getting acclimated to the 1 4 andro and now I just feel like i'm on constantly on it, it's like my body has finally accepted it . A lot less anxiety, less sweaty hands/feet, can think a little more straight but still sorta dumbed down.
Had some pretty bad lethargy today too though. Had to take another two hour nap,could barely keep my eyes open just a couple hours into the day. Today was my rest day so no workout today, but going to be hitting chest shoulder tri's again tommorow!

 

[astronomical]

Thanks Lean! Might want to extend this out to a 7 or even 8 week cycle. Any drawbacks from extending to a 7 or 8 week compared to just a 6? Maybe worse estrogen crash or longer for Testosterone to heal itself back up fully?

 

[astronomical]

Elo that's great news. I can definitely feel the brain fog but it's slowly starting to go away slowly. I'm definitely going to need it to improve or else it's definitely going to take a toll on my school work.
And I Got some viagra on deck! Just in case. Might want to switch over to cialis though.

 

[elo76]

Elo that's great news. I can definitely feel the brain fog but it's slowly starting to go away slowly. I'm definitely going to need it to improve or else it's definitely going to take a toll on my school work.
And I Got some viagra on deck! Just in case. Might want to switch over to cialis though.

Yeah...the first two weeks for me were crappy, then I woke up one morning and the fog was gone..

 

[elo76]

Thanks Lean! Might want to extend this out to a 7 or even 8 week cycle. Any drawbacks from extending to a 7 or 8 week compared to just a 6? Maybe worse estrogen crash or longer for Testosterone to heal itself back up fully?

No! Definitely do 8 weeks. For me, it didn't feel it kick in until around week 5.

No extra drawbacks. Stick with 8 weeks. You'll be glad you did.

 

[astronomical]

5 weeks? That must have been a pain in the ass to wait for! I'm hoping mine kicks in fully around 2 weeks or earlier. This caloric surplus is starting to get me fat already lol.

Hmm good recommendation! I'd love to do 8 weeks. The only problem is I only have 18000 mg of each 1 and 4 andro. So if I wanted to do 8 weeks then i'd be doing the first 6 and a half weeks on 300mg each and then the last week and a half on 400mg. Where as if I were to do seven weeks I could do the first 3 weeks of 300mg, the next 3 at 400mg, then the last week at 500mg. Anybody have recommendations on which would work better? I'm a fan for the 8 weeks. Just not sure if 300mg everyday would be sufficient for the first 6 and a half weeks.

 

[MG223]

5 weeks? That must have been a pain in the ass to wait for! I'm hoping mine kicks in fully around 2 weeks or earlier. This caloric surplus is starting to get me fat already lol.

Hmm good recommendation! I'd love to do 8 weeks. The only problem is I only have 18000 mg of each 1 and 4 andro. So if I wanted to do 8 weeks then i'd be doing the first 6 and a half weeks on 300mg each and then the last week and a half on 400mg. Where as if I were to do seven weeks I could do the first 3 weeks of 300mg, the next 3 at 400mg, then the last week at 500mg. Anybody have recommendations on which would work better? I'm a fan for the 8 weeks. Just not sure if 300mg everyday would be sufficient for the first 6 and a half weeks.

I'm starting my andro run tomorrow. Going with 330/330 for the entire 8 weeks. Plus Il have epi andro

 

[astronomical]

Good luck man. Hope it treats ya well!

 

[astronomical]

Day 5
Nothing new really today. Feeling a little dissapointed. My muscles felt all good to go and with the caloric surplus I was eating at I was expecting to gain a decent amount of strength from my last chest/shoulder/tri session but ended up staying pretty stagnant on most my lifts.
Also started to feel some shoulder pain starting to return a bit but hopefully I'll be able to push through it or let it heal or else I might need to change up my routine a bit and stay away from any type of benching for a bit.
Energy was good though throughout and I think I figured out what my main source of lethargy was in the morning. I've been taking ZMA constantly for over a month every night so stopping had a rebound effect which made my sleep poorly making me lethargic so glady I don't think the 1 4 andro is to blame for the lethargy currently!

 

[astronomical]

Day 6
So an interesting thing happened. So I ended up going out last night having a few more drinks than I planned and woke up feeling pretty hungover. Usually when i'm hungover though I feel like a bitch because of the testosterone decrease and estrogen increase from the alcohol, but today when I woke up I felt extra alpha and didn't have that beta feeling I usually get. This shows me that the 1 4 is definitely in my system and doing its job increasing my testosterone substantially.
Couldn't make it to the gym today but did some pull ups and my left shoulder was hurting so chilled out on those. Lethargy is nonexistent again so hopefully it stays like this!

 

[MG223]

Day 6
So an interesting thing happened. So I ended up going out last night having a few more drinks than I planned and woke up feeling pretty hungover. Usually when i'm hungover though I feel like a bitch because of the testosterone decrease and estrogen increase from the alcohol, but today when I woke up I felt extra alpha and didn't have that beta feeling I usually get. This shows me that the 1 4 is definitely in my system and doing its job increasing my testosterone substantially.
Couldn't make it to the gym today but did some pull ups and my left shoulder was hurting so chilled out on those. Lethargy is nonexistent again so hopefully it stays like this!

I'm just playing it safe and taking a break from alcohol for the next 8 weeks.

 

[astronomical]

I'm just playing it safe and taking a break from alcohol for the next 8 weeks.

Yeah that's I plan on doing as well. Don't want to mess with my gains.

 

[astronomical]

Day 7
End of the first week.
Think I might have experienced a little bit of the "back pump" today after sitting for a couple hours but could be placebo because there was no discomfort.
Good news my libido has definitely shot up a good amount and I can definitely feel my testosterone has risen a good amount.
Had some weird pain though in my stomach area sometimes when I would bend my back a little backwards, it would feel really tight in my upper abdominal area randomly. Anyone have any idea what that could be?? Hoping not anything too serious.
Lethargy is somewhat there but could be attributed to the fact that i've only been getting around 6-7 hours sleep and I might be requiring more on cycle. Nothing too bad though.
Excited to get back into the gym tomorrow. Depending how I feel I might switch this week over to chest/tri and do shoulders on leg days because I have been getting some shoulder tension/pain whenever benching. Regardless i'll be stretching and hoping it goes away.
I might not see the strength gains yet by the end of week 1 but I can definitely feel the testosterone increase! Hoping to see some strength gains on the second week.

 

[elo76]

For your shoulder issues.

Start doing some rotator cuff exercises. Do one set before you do any pushes to activate the muscle, do 2 more sets following your workout. I do sets of 20.

Do more rear delt exercises...One arm rows, face pulls, rear delt flys.

Look up shoulder stretches. I uses alot from smashwerx on youtube. You'll need bands. Alot of them are painful, but they do work.

My shoulder has never been better. It has hurt since I was 16 and now I'm 40 with no pain.

 

[astronomical]

For your shoulder issues.

Start doing some rotator cuff exercises. Do one set before you do any pushes to activate the muscle, do 2 more sets following your workout. I do sets of 20.

Do more rear delt exercises...One arm rows, face pulls, rear delt flys.

Look up shoulder stretches. I uses alot from smashwerx on youtube. You'll need bands. Alot of them are painful, but they do work.

My shoulder has never been better. It has hurt since I was 16 and now I'm 40 with no pain.

Thanks for the advice Elo!
I'll definitely incorporate those into my workout today.
I've definitely been neglecting my rear delts compared to my front and mids so that probably is a big reason along with stretching!

 

[astronomical]

Day 8
Starting to switch to a 6 day from a 5 day split moving shoulders to leg days so now doing
Chest/tris
Back/bi
Leg/shoulder
rest
repeat
Had a pretty good workout in the gym today. Lifts didn't really go up but I felt pretty good and I had a killer pump since I can focus mainly on my chest and tris instead of hitting shoulders too. Chest looked like C cups lol and arms were pretty beefy and lean. Definitely got some looks!

Lethargy hit me like a truck about two hours after my workout out of nowhere and just wanted to sleep but powered through with some caffeine.
Had some stomach pains for the first time when eating some spicy food but that subsided pretty quickly after 5-10 minutes.

 

[astronomical]

Day 9
Now this is what i'm talking about! My strengths definitely went up a bit on all my lifts and I felt like I could push myself harder than normal every rep and set.
I also noticed that my confidence had raised up as well, as well as maybe a little more aggression as I threw my weights down on my last dead lift rep feeling like a boss.
My pumps were off the charts as my arms were pretty god damn big like no other pump i've had and my lats were so pumped I felt like I could jump off a building and fly lol!
Had something interesting happen to me last night though. Idk if it was mood swings or what but I was with my girlfriend and out of nowhere depression just hit me like a train for no reason and I got stuck in that mindset for a bit I looked like a little bitch for a bit but that went away later.
But this morning when I woke up I also felt very depressed as well and super down but that lasted only for a little bit.
I've heard prohormones can amplify how you feel so maybe since I drank coffee that day i just felt crappy on the comedown and it amplified it?
Or I was thinking maybe that's when my body learned to accept the 1 4 andro and the depressive stage is when my body went through to accept it aka the changes?
Anyone have anything like this?
Regardless i'm not complaining because I had a killer workout today and i'm ready to slay legs tommorow!

 

[astronomical]

Day 14
Haven't noticed nothing major over the last 6 days but there's still some change!
Energy has definitely gone up while in the gym. I never really feel fatigued by the end of a workout and I definitely do have more drive/focus on my reps and sets.
Pumps are great and get em relatively early on in the workout. Nothing like skin tearing pumps yet though.
As far as strength goes it has gotten a little up but nothing out of the ordinary.
Libido has definitely dropped and i'm starting to just feel tired in general throughout the day.

My lower back has started to hurt like when I injured it way back then. It's definitely not pain so just an uncomfortable feeling which I guess is the back pumps. Definitely need to start taking taurine if that is the case!

Heading into week three so hoping to get the strength gains that i've been hearing about!

 

[astronomical]

Does anyone know if it's safe to add anything to my 1 4 andro stack to further enhance my gains? Mainly trying to bulk and gain weight/size.
Been eating at a calorie surplus but so far nothing too major result wise. Maybe i'm just being impatient since i'm just getting into week 3 but I also don't feel any boost of confidence or that feeling of being invincible. Is that something that doesn't really come from 1 4 andro?

 

[elo76]

This is why I we keep telling everyone to run them for 8 weeks. Nothing less than that is worth it IMO. I think now you're realizing that. Hopefully you'll help out in the threads when we are trying to get that point across to someone now.

You could bring in EPI Andro at 1000 ED. That should give you more of that feeling you are talking about having. It will also give you a boost in strength. Keep eating at a surplus and killing it in the gym. These only enhance results.

 

[astronomical]

This is why I we keep telling everyone to run them for 8 weeks. Nothing less than that is worth it IMO. I think now you're realizing that. Hopefully you'll help out in the threads when we are trying to get that point across to someone now.

You could bring in EPI Andro at 1000 ED. That should give you more of that feeling you are talking about having. It will also give you a boost in strength. Keep eating at a surplus and killing it in the gym. These only enhance results.

Oh I can definitely see where you're coming from and will be doing an 8 week cycle now!
I was thinking of actually adding oral tren or h-drol but now that I've done more research on them it seems like they would be way too harsh for my first cycle. So if I can get the cash flow for it I'll be adding the EPI andro 1000mg for the last 30 days of my 1 4 andro cycle!

 

[ZachH]

Oh I can definitely see where you're coming from and will be doing an 8 week cycle now!
I was thinking of actually adding oral tren or h-drol but now that I've done more research on them it seems like they would be way too harsh for my first cycle. So if I can get the cash flow for it I'll be adding the EPI andro 1000mg for the last 30 days of my 1 4 andro cycle!

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Thank me later

 

[astronomical]

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My man! Thanks Zach just ordered with USPS Priority shipping
Excited to add epi andro to the stack!!

 

[astronomical]

Day 17
Definitely starting to feel the strength gains now. Lifts are all going up! Hit deadlifts 325 3x5 today so pretty happy about that.
I feel like I can go on and on in the gym and never really feel any fatigue at all.
Brain fog has definitely decreased for the most part and I can think a lot more clear now.
Weigh about 169 now so gained about 5 lbs since starting.
Got a few complements on my body which was nice. Even got asked for advice on working out by someone.
Had a sore throat a bit every morning the last two weeks but gladly that's gone now.
My epi andro should be arriving tomorrow so I should be starting that then! Will be starting at 500mg and going to work my way up to 1000mg, mainly so my bottle lasts longer than 30 days. Hopefully this won't make my joint pain worse because I have been experiencing some joint pain from the 1 4 andro but nothing I can't handle. Fish oil definitely helps!

 

[astronomical]

Day 18
Lifts continue to get stronger and recovery times are a lot quicker.
Definitely starting to sweat a lot more when working out. Have to keep wiping my face of sweat during core lifts which is unusual.
Might also be getting some night sweats as well.
Added epi-andro to the mix today! Going to be running it at 500/500/750/1000/1000/1000. If I had enough I would do 1000/ for all five weeks but money is real tight right now.
Can definitely tell the 1 4 reducing my cortisol levels as I never really feel stressed as I used to from things that would stress me out.

 

[astronomical]

I can feel some brain fog settling in from the epi andro and might be getting some signs of high estro, just maybe... just a little unstable maybe in the head?
Also weirdly I feel like after taking the epi I can actually get stressed now. Does anyone know if that's the epi raising my cortisol levels? Or maybe could be the aggression from the epi andro settling in? Opinions anyone?

 

[elo76]

I can feel some brain fog settling in from the epi andro and might be getting some signs of high estro, just maybe... just a little unstable maybe in the head?
Also weirdly I feel like after taking the epi I can actually get stressed now. Does anyone know if that's the epi raising my cortisol levels? Or maybe could be the aggression from the epi andro settling in? Opinions anyone?

What estro sides do you think you are getting? Some overlap between high and low. Are you taking cycle support?

 

[astronomical]

What estro sides do you think you are getting? Some overlap between high and low. Are you taking cycle support?

Yesterday I felt like I had a verge of being pretty damn emotional a couple times yesterday but I kept it at bay and it was controllable and all in the head.
But right now I feel like my head is better and a lot more stable. I have cycle support but I only have enough for the last 30 days of my cycle.

 

[elo76]

What AI do you have on hand? How's your libido? Still get morning wood? Is the coin purse hanging low or up tight?

 

[astronomical]

For my AI I have Alpha Forma V. It's an OTC AI. I would get a pharm grade one but money is tight right now.
Libido has dropped a good amount but is surprisingly still there. Weird considering I had low libido before starting my cycle.
Now don't be surprised but for the last half a year I haven't got any morning wood. But I did notice the last couple nights i guess you can say I got a semi morning wood?
Coin purse is up tight for the most part.

 

[astronomical]

Also I noticed when I started to first take the 1 4 andro I had shortness of breath for like a day and now that I'm taking the epi i'm starting to notice the same thing and have to keep taking big breaths. Also I notice when I lay down in bed sometimes I can feel my lungs or heart sort of feel tight and give this weird feeling randomly once in a while but goes away if I take a deep breath.
Any of this normal?

 

[MG223]

Also I noticed when I started to first take the 1 4 andro I had shortness of breath for like a day and now that I'm taking the epi i'm starting to notice the same thing and have to keep taking big breaths. Also I notice when I lay down in bed sometimes I can feel my lungs or heart sort of feel tight and give this weird feeling randomly once in a while but goes away if I take a deep breath.
Any of this normal?

Do you have a blood pressure monitor?

 

[astronomical]

I don't

 

[astronomical]

End of week 3
Definitely feeling the 1 4 andro good
Strength continues to go up and starting to get more complements on my body.
Recovery time has definitely improved and I feel like I recover in around a day or two.
After taking the epi-andro my lethargy has disappeared and my libido has increased as well which is great.
Aggression is up a little bit as well as irritability.
Feel like confidence is up a little bit as well.
Haven't been able to eat as much as I'd like the last week but still making good progress overall.
Happy with the results i'm seeing so far and excited for the epi andro to fully hit me.

 

[JahCure]

What kind of wait gain are you hitting so far?

 

[PeaceMAC]

Dude I'm having bad lethargy. 3 days in a row now. What's a good stim to take?

 

[elo76]

Dude I'm having bad lethargy. 3 days in a row now. What's a good stim to take?

I suggest you start a new thread with your run so we can better assist you. This is his log.

We need to know everything you are taking to be able to help.