Cutting Finisher: EPISTANE or WINSTROL

[Mr Physique]

Alright, here's my dilemma. I'm trying to get as shredded as I may, and I'm stuck between

1-6 Epistane 30-50mg

Or

1-5 Winstrol 50mg

I'm currently running Test E @ 500mg/week and just started Epiandro @ 300mg/day, which I'll increase to probably 900mg/day.

Now from my previous research it seems about 60/40(ish) in favor of Winstrol. And Winstrol seems to obtain that hard/dry/grainy look you really want when cutting. But the sides are a big turn off for me.

On the other hand, as I mentioned about 40% or so reported Epistane merits nearly the same results, without the horrendous liver/lipid/heart effects.

So here's the thing. Last year I ran Epiandro 300-500mg/day for 6 weeks and this **** tightened/hardened me up pretty fuarkin well (I also am naturally a leaner person).

So can Epiandro + Epistane compete with Winny? Or do I bite the bullet and run Winstrol? Also what is rec for gyno rebound post Epi? Exem @ 12.5mg EOD/E3D suffice?

THX

 

[andybean96]

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[andybean96]

What brand epistane

 

[Mr Physique]

What brand epistane

Integrity Labs

 

[The Express 42]

Reasoning for running the epiandro along with the test?

 

[Mr Physique]

Reasoning for running the epiandro along with the test?

Hardens and cuts me Tf up. Also have a **** ton

 

[Mr Physique]

Bump

 

[Bunshichi]

I would still opt for winny. Just with a good support regimen.
I would go for epi for recomp and for bulking its better than winny for sure. But if on cycle look counts I think winny got the bigger dick. You still need to know how to use it, but if you know how to **** with a little dick you are a good ****er. If you know how to with a big dick you are a ****ing pornstar

 

[brofessorx]

Epistane flares up my gyno. I hate it. Just saying :smoker:

 

[uprightrows]

Are you doing this for a show or just to look good in general?

I ask because if it is for a show you could probably run the winny for a shorter duration, since you really only need that look in the extreme short term (like 2 two days) and that stuff is pretty fast acting, like almost immediate. Also winny doesn't do much for actually burning fat, it just dries you out and gives you density, as well as short term power output increase and strength.

If its for vanity reasons and you want that look for a longer time frame I might go with the epi, but it's basically a trade off if you want to risk it with gyno or destroy your HDL (which will come back in a couple months if you eat right and your estro is in range), also for what it's worth even like 2 weeks of winny can really mess up your lipids.

 

[warbird01]

Both will cut you up. I have cut on both and lost the same amount of fat. I would say winny is a little stronger in the drying out aspect, but that comes with sides.

I would personally rather run epi.

 

[Mr Physique]

Are you doing this for a show or just to look good in general?

I ask because if it is for a show you could probably run the winny for a shorter duration, since you really only need that look in the extreme short term (like 2 two days) and that stuff is pretty fast acting, like almost immediate. Also winny doesn't do much for actually burning fat, it just dries you out and gives you density, as well as short term power output increase and strength.

If its for vanity reasons and you want that look for a longer time frame I might go with the epi, but it's basically a trade off if you want to risk it with gyno or destroy your HDL (which will come back in a couple months if you eat right and your estro is in range), also for what it's worth even like 2 weeks of winny can really mess up your lipids.

I might do a show, but right now it's for one of those 12 week challenges

 

[uprightrows]

Another thing to consider, epi takes weeks to kick in, winny takes a day. I've only ever used winny for 5 days, completely unrelated to aesthetic reasons (well partially) and that s*** works fast. I've only ever used epi as a kickstart to a test cycle back when I was a noob so my knowledge on that compound isn't great, but it was not the best choice for a kickstart because it took a while to feel it.

 

[Mr Physique]

Both will cut you up. I have cut on both and lost the same amount of fat. I would say winny is a little stronger in the drying out aspect, but that comes with sides.

I would personally rather run epi.

Yeah I think I'll just do Epi. From what I've read & continue to read the cost/benefits for Epi just outweigh winny. Epiandro dries me well, I also have some 11kt I could throw in

What'd u do to combat estrogen

 

[uprightrows]

Ok so I'm not the best person to ask about that, I am not at all prone to gyno (have run some of the worst stuff for it, trest, dbol) and need minimal if any AI dose even on relatively high test cycles, I cruise on 250 with no AI and have mid range estrogen. Also I have very high prolactin naturally, my natty blood work shows low e2 and high prolactin, any AAS I take, 19nor or not bumps up my prolactin, it doesn't seem to cause any sides unless it gets really high, my libido is fine and I don't lactate so Idk know whats up with that. Sorry for the life story bro
Anyway it's not something I'd worry about on cycle just stick with what ever AI you're on now, it's after ptc (if you do that) low dose exemestane for a few weeks should be fine

 

[fdigioia99]

Alright, here's my dilemma. I'm trying to get as shredded as I may, and I'm stuck between

1-6 Epistane 30-50mg

Or

1-5 Winstrol 50mg

I'm currently running Test E @ 500mg/week and just started Epiandro @ 300mg/day, which I'll increase to probably 900mg/day.

Now from my previous research it seems about 60/40(ish) in favor of Winstrol. And Winstrol seems to obtain that hard/dry/grainy look you really want when cutting. But the sides are a big turn off for me.

On the other hand, as I mentioned about 40% or so reported Epistane merits nearly the same results, without the horrendous liver/lipid/heart effects.

So here's the thing. Last year I ran Epiandro 300-500mg/day for 6 weeks and this **** tightened/hardened me up pretty fuarkin well (I also am naturally a leaner person).

So can Epiandro + Epistane compete with Winny? Or do I bite the bullet and run Winstrol? Also what is rec for gyno rebound post Epi? Exem @ 12.5mg EOD/E3D suffice?

THX

WINNY hands down get injectable pin 50mgs a day.

 

[uprightrows]

Umm you probably don't want be pinning winny which is probably a suspension for 5 weeks

 

[fdigioia99]

Umm you probably don't want be pinning winny which is probably a suspension for 5 weeks

Lol yeah you do. Pinning WINNY daily with slin pins is nothing.lol!!

 

[Mr Physique]

Lol yeah you do. Pinning WINNY daily with slin pins is nothing.lol!!

Bro I'm still batting Test PIP lol I heard winny is God awful

 

[warbird01]

Yeah I think I'll just do Epi. From what I've read & continue to read the cost/benefits for Epi just outweigh winny. Epiandro dries me well, I also have some 11kt I could throw in

What'd u do to combat estrogen

Combat estrogen from what? No estrogen sides form epi. Or are you talking about epi andro or test? Just run aromasin.

 

[warbird01]

WINNY hands down get injectable pin 50mgs a day.

winstrol has a very high oral bioavailability, why inject it?

 

[fdigioia99]

winstrol has a very high oral bioavailability, why inject it?

Injectable is higher and it's just my preference.

 

[vujade]

Combat estrogen from what? No estrogen sides form epi.
Or are you talking about epi andro or test? Just run aromasin.

Hes referring to Epistane causing estrogen sides.

He mentions both epi and epi andro in the same sentence,

 

[Mr Physique]

Combat estrogen from what? No estrogen sides form epi. Or are you talking about epi andro or test? Just run aromasin.

Rebound from Epistane

 

[Mr Physique]

Bump

 

[heavylifter33]

Rebound from Epistane

Rebound? You've been reading too many bro articles man.

Anyways. For me, Winstrol > Epistane. I guess i'm one of the few that hasn't seen sides and i've used winny @ 100mg/day for 2 weeks just to see lol. I do love EPI tho at about 60mg/day. Sometimes higher. Winstrol is used in show prep for a reason, the dry look you achieve is hard to find elsewhere, EPI won't provide that. In reality tho, you have to decide what works best for you, my using winny at 100mg a day doesn't help you any ya know?

 

[brofessorx]

Rebound? You've been reading too many bro articles man.

You don't think epistane disrupts hormonal balance?

 

[Mr Physique]

You don't think epistane disrupts hormonal balance?

Right? Lol

 

[Mr Physique]

Rebound? You've been reading too many bro articles man.

Anyways. For me, Winstrol > Epistane. I guess i'm one of the few that hasn't seen sides and i've used winny @ 100mg/day for 2 weeks just to see lol. I do love EPI tho at about 60mg/day. Sometimes higher. Winstrol is used in show prep for a reason, the dry look you achieve is hard to find elsewhere, EPI won't provide that. In reality tho, you have to decide what works best for you, my using winny at 100mg a day doesn't help you any ya know?

Did u get bloods? Lipid sides aren't something you "see", or notice typically.

And Epi rebound is real man lol. I know people who've developed it from Epi. Estrogen effects everyone differently

 

[heavylifter33]

Well you two obviously know more than i do. Carry on!

 

[Mr Physique]

Well you two obviously know more than i do. Carry on!

lol

 

[brofessorx]

Well you two obviously know more than i do. Carry on!

How's mike an Steve doing?

 

[DUbz86]

Rebound? You've been reading too many bro articles man.

Anyways. For me, Winstrol > Epistane. I guess i'm one of the few that hasn't seen sides and i've used winny @ 100mg/day for 2 weeks just to see lol. I do love EPI tho at about 60mg/day. Sometimes higher. Winstrol is used in show prep for a reason, the dry look you achieve is hard to find elsewhere, EPI won't provide that. In reality tho, you have to decide what works best for you, my using winny at 100mg a day doesn't help you any ya know?

Did Winny mess up your joints?

 

[Mr Physique]

Bump

 

[Bunshichi]

Did not run Winny yet but Epistane did mess up my joints big time. Can't imagine Winny being any harsher on them.