But that's the thing! Would be nice to know what the mechanism of injury to the kidneys is from oral steroids so we can better understand what we are doing to ourselves and how to prevent it
Well at least we're starting with something. I have heard numerous times about guys who used to be serious bodybuilders and now are on dialysis and supposedly steroids are to blame. I really would like some insight on this it is very interesting
The researchers proposed that extreme increases in muscle mass require the kidneys to increase their filtration rate, placing harmful levels of stress on the kidneys. “As in obese patients, the increased strain on the kidney from the elevated body mass leads to hyperfiltration injury,” Dr. Herlitz explained.
Well crap. That'll save me on my gym membership at least =)
One more reason to get lean. I bet the high prot diet is doing most of the damage.
Possible tho I wouldn't jump to conclusions.
Sounds about right from what I remember from phisiology class. I'll ask my exercise phys teacher next class why.
Remember that creatine and creatinine are different, but related. It's not the only marker to look for as I indicated in my previous post. Another marker that may be indicative of problems, in addition to the BUN/creatinine level, is a low glomerular filtration rate (GFR)
The one thing I've noticed is that my BUN is always elevated! The range is 6-20 and mine is always 26 or 30. Once it was high as 36! But the docs have ran tests and checked other markers of my kidney function and said my kidneys are fine so I dunno.
Interesting again, I took blood recently and had high ast/alt and had someone tell me that a real number you need to have not trained hard for like a day or so to get an accurate number.
Yeah for the past 3 years on all my blood tests my BUN has always been anywhere from 24 to 36. I don't think it's ever been within normal range. I dunno man. I'm still here though. Lol
Just be aware of your higher levels and take care of yourself according. If you are being proactive about your health then you will be ok, keep doing your routine blood work and cycle accordingly. Out of range a few points is not a death sentence but definitely continue to respect your numbers as you have been doing. You are cycling right bro, much respect to you for that.
It might take a little longer than that to get an accurate test result. Ask your doc for a CPK test. I guarantee it's off the charts. High CPK doesn't conclusively rule out liver disease, but it's an indication that muscle trauma is at least a contributing factor, and you're training hard, likely the main factor.
I have had high BUN values for 5 years, around 30 every blood test. So finally I wanted peace of mind. I bought a supplement called Kidney Stuff, stopped protein (and creatine) 24 hours before latest blood test and drank ton of water. BUN came back at 17. Mind at ease
A few points? Try triple the reference range. All other numbers normal. Didn't get that other test done but hitting 300 made me decide to cut the orals short. I'm ending my current cycle on the 3rd. I don't want to derail with details on all of that, but I will see what the cpk panel costs as I'll be pulling a normal metabolic panel just as I end. I'm trying to get a really good feel for my before during after and just how exactly the oral stuff was effecting me. Perhaps though I've not pulled enough of the right numbers.
None taken, I'm not keen on this side effect. I've already decided to run injectables down the road. My numbers were fine before cycle. I've got a close eye on it. I'll be checking for them to clear.
No other symptoms I'm also certain they'll go down in PCT. Poop is normal lol. I'll check for that panel next test I get.
Yes
The kidneys do not heal like the liver. When they go they go! Be careful with your kidneys.
Oh no I understand nothing does. Liver regenerates, everything else but bone scars. What I'm wondering is if even without supplements or gear involved if the kidneys are under stress just from hard training and high protein, maybe it should become a thing where every so often you just go vegan for a week and play video games. I know that sounds strange but think about it. Take the stress off of the system. The human body owes most of its traits to like millennia of a cave man named Ugnh hunting for food, protecting the tribe, and running away from saber tooth tigers. The way metabolising changes based on how and what you eat, it's all inbred survival traits. Even Ungh had times when he had to just sit tight, wait, eat only what he gathered and try to find a new hunting ground. This is all like a personal theory I have, not prescribing to the Paleo diet but in that same logic I think maybe there's a good lesson? Trying to take a break from a mega protein diet with 4-5 hours of lifting per week just occasionally? Anyone feel me? Lol I'm like rambling on. Poor Ungh had no video games to play.
Absolutely, try to find Dave Palumbos detox program for your kidneys, he goes in to detail about how to do this. He recommends the supplememt Kidney Stuff and then following a 2 week cleanse etc..
Thank you I'll check that out!
Not being jacked that is tough on kidneys...its the cholesterol that carries you do require to keep insane AA chem signals going to your receptors and cells.
You take potassium citrate?
I've used all different types but I think...citrate is most absorbed but honestly whatever is cheapest cuz it takes a lot. most Potassium is 3-15% DV per cap. When I came up with this trick I set my diet at 100% Potassium then added about 50%DV 3 times a day so whatever that works out in mg depends on what you buy, but for anti-inflammatory it seems like 8 pills 3 times a day and you have to drink the real 100% cranberry juice not oceanspray cocktail.
