Nolvadex vs Aromasin

[InItForGainz]

I'm doing self administered TRT with Testosterone 400(200mg Cypionate+200mg Enathate) at 60mg every three days and want to know which would be the best option at keeping the estrogen sides at bay,
Nolvadex at 10mg EOD
Or
Aromasin at 5mg EOD

Thanks in advance

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Neither, its only 400 test

 

[rascal14]

Neither, its only 400 test

What? He's using roughly 120mg a week, most people would need some sort of AI on 400mg a week anyways.

Aromasin to keep estrogen down. 5mg every other day sounds useless for anything, though. The only way to know is to get blood work.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

What? He's using roughly 120mg a week, most people would need some sort of AI on 400mg a week anyways.

Aromasin to keep estrogen down. 5mg every other day sounds useless for anything, though. The only way to know is to get blood work.

I just ran 600 test-e a week for 16 weeks without anything...400 is nothing.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Thats normal hrt therapy levels

 

[DTA]

I just ran 600 test-e a week for 16 weeks without anything...400 is nothing.

Everyone has a different estrogen conversion. To say it worked for you so it'll work for everyone is ridiculous

 

[Nac]

I just ran 600 test-e a week for 16 weeks without anything...400 is nothing.

Lol bloods > bro logic

 

[InItForGainz]

What? He's using roughly 120mg a week, most people would need some sort of AI on 400mg a week anyways.

Aromasin to keep estrogen down. 5mg every other day sounds useless for anything, though. The only way to know is to get blood work.

I'll be getting bloods the first week of every month. I just wanted to know which is best for that first month.

 

[uprightrows]

Wait and see what your e2 levels actually are if you are getting bloods then go from there. It's actually better if you take the test400 without an AI until your first draw, especially if you are getting them every month, that way you can see how much you aromatize without adding extra drugs in the picture and dose your AI based on that.

 

[InItForGainz]

Wait and see what your e2 levels actually are if you are getting bloods then go from there. It's actually better if you take the test400 without an AI until your first draw, especially if you are getting them every month, that way you can see how much you aromatize without adding extra drugs in the picture and dose your AI based on that.

I think I'm just worried. I'd rather prevent and prevent any estrogen sides than have to cure them.
Any other, less pharmacuitical, estrogen sides prevention that you'd recommend? Maybe some DIM or something?

 

[uprightrows]

Honestly at ~120mg/wk of test for only a month (before your first blood draw) you are extremely unlikely to develop any irreversible estrogen related problems unless you already have gyno, I would just wait for the results (assuming you get them in a reasonable time frame after the draw) before I messed with an AI, there's a possibility you may not even need one. I've never used DIM, probably doesn't do much but take it if it makes you feel better mentally

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Honestly at ~120mg/wk of test for only a month (before your first blood draw) you are extremely unlikely to develop any irreversible estrogen related problems unless you already have gyno, I would just wait for the results (assuming you get them in a reasonable time frame after the draw) before I messed with an AI, there's a possibility you may not even need one. I've never used DIM, probably doesn't do much but take it if it makes you feel better mentally

Which is what I recommended because 120 a week is a normal hrt level. Where as most people looking for an anobolic effect will run between 5-600 a week

 

[InItForGainz]

Honestly at ~120mg/wk of test for only a month (before your first blood draw) you are extremely unlikely to develop any irreversible estrogen related problems unless you already have gyno, I would just wait for the results (assuming you get them in a reasonable time frame after the draw) before I messed with an AI, there's a possibility you may not even need one. I've never used DIM, probably doesn't do much but take it if it makes you feel better mentally

7-14 Days after the draw.
But I've got to think about delivery times for the Nolva if that's the better option, (I already have Aromasin) and my source takes like two weeks. So overall I'm looking at 8 weeks blind and open to estro sides :/

 

[uprightrows]

Have you ever had gyno before, or ran cycles with higher dosages of test?

 

[DTA]

I really doubt you'll have an issue in a month at 120mg but if you're extremely estrogen sensitive or really worried 6.25 Aromasin 2x/week would work. I'm pretty sure blood work will prove you need less or none though

 

[DemntedCowboy]

I really doubt you'll have an issue in a month at 120mg but if you're extremely estrogen sensitive or really worried 6.25 Aromasin 2x/week would work. I'm pretty sure blood work will prove you need less or none though

Which is what I was saying in the first place. I wasnt just saying that to say well I take 600. I was just saying that at that low of a dose. Most likely nothing will need to be used

 

[InItForGainz]

Have you ever had gyno before, or ran cycles with higher dosages of test?

No, I've been on TRT for about 8 months. I was on injections at first and felt great but my new Endo has reduced my prescription to just 20mg of TestoGel and I'm starting to get weaker again. I explained that to her but she took no notice so I'm running my own TRT with the dose my old endo used to give me, just with the 400 instead of the plain cypionate he used to give me... Because of availability issues.

I really doubt you'll have an issue in a month at 120mg but if you're extremely estrogen sensitive or really worried 6.25 Aromasin 2x/week would work. I'm pretty sure blood work will prove you need less or none though

When would you recommend I dose the Aromasin in relation to the injection, same day, day after?

 

[uprightrows]

When you were on prescribed TRT were you taking an AI?

 

[InItForGainz]

When you were on prescribed TRT were you taking an AI?

I had a host of other tablets to take alongside my TRT when I was on the injections and there was a low dose AI in it.

 

[uprightrows]

Well just look at back at your medical records and take whatever AI dose you were taking then duh.

 

[kisaj]

Run labs to see if it is necessary. At 120mg a week, it may not be and if you add one in, it will just be another thing you have to keep track of. That is right around my normal TRT dose and I only take zinc and DIM (not for any AI effect, just conversion of estrogens) and mine average in the high 20s-mid 30s where I feel good. I do keep exemestane (Aromasin) around for anytime I know I will be having drinks as that will quickly raise my e2 levels and I am a ****ing bear to be around the next couple days. That quickly takes care of it.

As mentioned, everyone deals with aromatization differently, so you need to understand what is happening before just adding in stuff.

 

[InItForGainz]

What about something like Olympus Labs' Ar1macare Pro, with it's Dual Support Anti Aromatase Complex?
So it's not as strong as the pharma grade stuff and won't crash my estrogen but should just help control them. It's also got loads of other health supports in it.

 

[Johan71]

Start with the blood. Check out estrogen levels.
From the cardiac aspects its still better to be a little on the high side.
Everyone seems to worry about the boobs, when the real dangers lays in regulation of the flexibility and stiffness of the blood vessels.
One of the most important properties of estrogen is regulation of vessels, to low estrogen will make your vessel stiff up really bad.
And in the conjunction with the test that elevates your lipids it can be real ugly.
Test itself at that dose is no danger for your bodie, but everything else you take to manage any possible sides will definitely put you on the not-so-safe side.

And I'm curious about why you're mixing Enanthate and Cypionate?
The difference is an extra carbon molecule on the the Ester, 7 for E and 8 for C.
The differences in the release of the active substance (test) is neglecteble.

So please start with the blood and don't rush in to something that might be possible danger.

Cheers

 

[InItForGainz]

Start with the blood. Check out estrogen levels.
From the cardiac aspects its still better to be a little on the high side.
Everyone seems to worry about the boobs, when the real dangers lays in regulation of the flexibility and stiffness of the blood vessels.
One of the most important properties of estrogen is regulation of vessels, to low estrogen will make your vessel stiff up really bad.
And in the conjunction with the test that elevates your lipids it can be real ugly.
Test itself at that dose is no danger for your bodie, but everything else you take to manage any possible sides will definitely put you on the not-so-safe side.

And I'm curious about why you're mixing Enanthate and Cypionate?
The difference is an extra carbon molecule on the the Ester, 7 for E and 8 for C.
The differences in the release of the active substance (test) is neglecteble.

So please start with the blood and don't rush in to something that might be possible danger.

Cheers

What's good to keep lipids in check?

Regards the mixing of the Cypionate and Enanthate blend, it's a sourcing/availability issue. Personally I'd rather just go with straight Cypionate but my source doesn't have any, the 400 was the next best option and looks legit

 

[Johan71]

If you have high elevated lipids you might need statins.
I wouldn't recommend it as your first choice cause of the sides.
Try to eat healthy avoid saturated fats and eat a lot of omega3.
I try to eat salmon a couple of times a week.
But om your dose on TRT, my belive is that your lipids will stay in the safe area.
Check it out at the same time you as you get your estrogen levels.
Ask for a complete hormone panel.
T
Free T
Shbg
Lh
Estrogen
And you might want to check your HB.
It's maybe not the same names in the US on everything.
I'm from Sweden so the names of test might be different.

Cheers. Johan

 

[user567]

Aromasin is an AI used to prevent estrogen. Nolvadex is a serm which is used to block the estrogen in receptors like breast tissue for instance. The 2 shouldn't be compared. Use an AI proactively when on any androgen that converts to estrogen. Guys who wait around for symptoms of high estrogen before taking an AI are playing with fire. Again aromasin to lower the estrogen, nolvadex used to combat the sides of high estrogen. Hopefully you never have to ever use Nolva on cycle.

 

[InItForGainz]

If you have high elevated lipids you might need statins.
I wouldn't recommend it as your first choice cause of the sides.
Try to eat healthy avoid saturated fats and eat a lot of omega3.
I try to eat salmon a couple of times a week.
But om your dose on TRT, my belive is that your lipids will stay in the safe area.
Check it out at the same time you as you get your estrogen levels.
Ask for a complete hormone panel.
T
Free T
Shbg
Lh
Estrogen
And you might want to check your HB.
It's maybe not the same names in the US on everything.
I'm from Sweden so the names of test might be different.

Cheers. Johan

I know my diet is spot on, I drink around 7 Litres per day, I take a Greens and Berries blend formula every day, I get around 5g of Omega 3 per day (foods+softgels).
The blood panel I'm getting includes,
DHEA-S
FSH
LH
Testosterone
SHBG
FAI
Oestradiol
Test/SHGB Ratio

I'm in the U.K btw.

 

[InItForGainz]

Aromasin is an AI used to prevent estrogen. Nolvadex is a serm which is used to block the estrogen in receptors like breast tissue for instance. The 2 shouldn't be compared. Use an AI proactively when on any androgen that converts to estrogen. Guys who wait around for symptoms of high estrogen before taking an AI are playing with fire. Again aromasin to lower the estrogen, nolvadex used to combat the sides of high estrogen. Hopefully you never have to ever use Nolva on cycle.

That's why I was asking. As I've always said "Better to be safe than sorry" and "Prevention is better than cure"
What's your recommendation regarding Aromasin dosage?

 

[shane1978]

You need bloods taken to answer this question. I need 0.5mg of arimidex twice a week and I inject 65mg test e twice a week. I know a guy on 200mg test e a week and he needs 3mg of arimidex per week. Estrogen is the hardest thing to dial in and bloods are the only way to do it.

 

[InItForGainz]

You need bloods taken to answer this question. I need 0.5mg of arimidex twice a week and I inject 65mg test e twice a week. I know a guy on 200mg test e a week and he needs 3mg of arimidex per week. Estrogen is the hardest thing to dial in and bloods are the only way to do it.

This is probably a stupid question that I already know the answer too but the Oestradiol test will serve as my estrogen/E2 level right?

 

[uprightrows]

Ok, this thread is getting needlessly complicated. You were on prescribed trt injections for like 8 months, if you are so concerned about estrogen go look at your medical records and just take what ever AI dose you were prescribed then, it's not f***ing rocket science

 

[shane1978]

Yes

 

[user567]

This is probably a stupid question that I already know the answer too but the Oestradiol test will serve as my estrogen/E2 level right?

Correct. Oestradiol and Estradiol are same thing. Both = E2