Legal way to get steroids?

[fkngchucknorris]

Okay I've tried looking on this board for this but haven't seen it. I am wondering if you could legally get test prescribed by your doctor by running a cycle of SD or other "legal" steroid. Then at the end of your cycle by going to your dr. and getting a test showing that you had low test levels. Would he prescribe it to you? This may be a stupid question hah but I've been wondering about it.

 

[bigpetefox]

Umm, no.. Your T/EpiT levels would be off, your doc would either say **** all and report you to your insurance company because you're using an illegal substance.. Or, you can have a cool doc who would send you to an HRT specialist, who will in turn start your therapy with HCG instead..

So in closing, probably not gonna work..

 

[fkngchucknorris]

Alright thanks man for clearin things up.

 

[Dr. Death]

Alright thanks man for clearin things up.

Hey thats frank the tank

 

[Nullifidian]

Umm, no.. Your T/EpiT levels would be off, your doc would either say **** all and report you to your insurance company because you're using an illegal substance.. Or, you can have a cool doc who would send you to an HRT specialist, who will in turn start your therapy with HCG instead..

So in closing, probably not gonna work..

And why would your T/EpiT levels be off? Both would be suppressed would they not? T/EpiT levels should only be off when exogenous Testosterone is present because EpiT doesn't go up with exogenous T but instead goes down.

 

[bigman420]

you could always try to find a chill doctor

 

[Cardinal]

First things first. I'd get a doctor you could trust regardless. Good to have his or her resources available to you when you cycle anyhow. If it turns out you need HRT and a script for some steroids, so be it.

 

[James]

You find the right doc and anything is possible. Hehe

 

[bigpetefox]

And why would your T/EpiT levels be off? Both would be suppressed would they not? T/EpiT levels should only be off when exogenous Testosterone is present because EpiT doesn't go up with exogenous T but instead goes down.

Using test makes T go up, EpiTest go down.. The ratio would be off, which is why I said that, either one of them would be a red flag to the doc..

Remember, all other AAS are indeed modified forms of the king, Test..

 

[jmh80]

Pete - my last bloodtest showed low test. Perhaps due to taking some M1T pre-WO a few weeks before (not really sure). My family doc gave me a script for Androgel w/o any epitestosterone analysis.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Using test makes T go up, EpiTest go down.. The ratio would be off, which is why I said that, either one of them would be a red flag to the doc..

Remember, all other AAS are indeed modified forms of the king, Test..

But,when you come off, wouldn't both T and EpiT be down???? I mean, assuming you decided to commit testicular suicide and stop cycling without PCT.

 

[Brennon]

I've been on HRT due to legitimately low T and I've NEVER been tested for epiT nor have I ever heard of it being tested. I've stopped treatment before getting more bloodwork done to get prescribed more. Works like a charm.

But,when you come off, wouldn't both T and EpiT be down???? I mean, assuming you decided to commit testicular suicide and stop cycling without PCT.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

I've been on HRT due to legitimately low T and I've NEVER been tested for epiT nor have I ever heard of it being tested. I've stopped treatment before getting more bloodwork done to get prescribed more. Works like a charm.

Heheehe.....damn, I'll have to do that one day

 

[uridium245]

Remember, all other AAS are indeed modified forms of the king, Test..

Except for AAS based upon progesterone ie Deca which is prescribed for human use and Tren which is not. One dose of 100mg/ml of Deca will put your test levels in the crapper by day 3-5.

It really depends on the HRT specialist you find. Look for one that also provides presriptions for GH, HCG, Deca, Armidex, Nolva etc... They are out there and can be a valuable resource in helping those unknowledgable in AAS usage from doing something stupid. It takes time to find a good Doc so keep searching and don't give up. Be prepared to spend some money on extra blood work and what not. Nobody ever said legal was cheap.

 

[Brennon]

SWALE over at the meso rx boards has his own little forum devoted to HRT. He even monitors the health of those on cycle and writes prescriptions for arimidex/nolva/HCG etc.

 

[lifted]

I can't understand why anybody who has normal T levels would wanna start using HRT for the rest of their life and not come off. Obviously you guys that want to do this do not know much about the endocrine system in general. Ask any older guy that has to rely on synthetic testosterone vs, having his own and I'd bet you get a much different response than what you think. just because you'll have an easier time gaining muscle (hypothetically anyway) doesn't mean that it's worth the other sides, such as testicular malfunction, loss of libido, shrinkage, thyroid abnormalities...the list goes on...and that's not even touching base of other serious long-term health consequences...

Now if you just wanna get enough test cyp in order to do a cycle then that' another thing...but you'll still have to try other means of delivery first, other means of apllication, etc. before he just starts writing you scripts for upjohn. (any good doc would)

Then you run the risk of screwing yourself over if the doc finds out and then your insurance company will blacklist the **** outya. Too much trouble if you don't really need it. Just find a damn source....not hard. Because you guys that use the "well I don't wanna break the law"...well what do you think you're doing by misguiding your doc?? Think here guys...also, this topic has been discussed NUMEROUS times before....do a search in the AS section.

 

[fkngchucknorris]

I can't understand why anybody who has normal T levels would wanna start using HRT for the rest of their life and not come off. Obviously you guys that want to do this do not know much about the endocrine system in general. Ask any older guy that has to rely on synthetic testosterone vs, having his own and I'd bet you get a much different response than what you think. just because you'll have an easier time gaining muscle (hypothetically anyway) doesn't mean that it's worth the other sides, such as testicular malfunction, loss of libido, shrinkage, thyroid abnormalities...the list goes on...and that's not even touching base of other serious long-term health consequences...

Now if you just wanna get enough test cyp in order to do a cycle then that' another thing...but you'll still have to try other means of delivery first, other means of apllication, etc. before he just starts writing you scripts for upjohn. (any good doc would)

Then you run the risk of screwing yourself over if the doc finds out and then your insurance company will blacklist the **** outya. Too much trouble if you don't really need it. Just find a damn source....not hard. Because you guys that use the "well I don't wanna break the law"...well what do you think you're doing by misguiding your doc?? Think here guys...also, this topic has been discussed NUMEROUS times before....do a search in the AS section.

Hmm I did a search and didnt find anything, sorry if I missed it. I'm not really considering this as an option I was just wondering if it would work.

 

[lifted]

You don't have to aplogize bud...lol. I was just trying to tell it like it is. I've even thought about trying it to before, but in the real world it just isn't applicable.

Those old threads might be in another thread that got off-topic, maybe that's why ya couldn't find it.

 

[bigpetefox]

Except for AAS based upon progesterone ie Deca which is prescribed for human use and Tren which is not. One dose of 100mg/ml of Deca will put your test levels in the crapper by day 3-5.

Nandrolone is NorTestosterone, there are bonds in the steran nucleus which alter the chemical structure to change its effects.. Just like Boldenone with a methyl group at the 17th position (dianabol), or DHT with a 3,2 Pyrazol bond in the first 3 positions (winstrol)..

Whatever bond you put on the nucleus, it changes the effect drastically. My comments on test/epitest is in the slight chance you get a jackass doc, had it happen while in the military..

 

[uridium245]

Now if you just wanna get enough test cyp in order to do a cycle then that' another thing...but you'll still have to try other means of delivery first, other means of apllication, etc. before he just starts writing you scripts for upjohn. (any good doc would)

Then you run the risk of screwing yourself over if the doc finds out and then your insurance company will blacklist the **** outya.

Because you guys that use the "well I don't wanna break the law"...well what do you think you're doing by misguiding your doc??

I think that was his intended point, but it is possible to find a good doc to prescribe an IM injectible to start with. There are those who know that we are going to do it anyway, but believe their oaths require them to keep US from doing any harm to ourselves. Thats one of the reasons Swale works with our community. By the way he is no longer accepting internet patients nor will most of the goods docs out there.

Never ever EVER have insurance pay for this for exactly that reason.

And while it is certainly true that using more than the prescribed amount is a violation. Possesion of the anabolic is not, which is why most seek an HRT specialist.

 

[uridium245]

Nandrolone is NorTestosterone, there are bonds in the steran nucleus which alter the chemical structure to change its effects.. Just like Boldenone with a methyl group at the 17th position (dianabol), or DHT with a 3,2 Pyrazol bond in the first 3 positions (winstrol)..

Whatever bond you put on the nucleus, it changes the effect drastically. My comments on test/epitest is in the slight chance you get a jackass doc, had it happen while in the military..

You are quite right Nandrolone is similiar in appearance to test except for the carbon atom missing at the 19th position hence 19NorTestosterone. But what I was refering to and said very poorly was receptor activation verses chemical structure.

Lol...seemed like the number of jackass docs in the Corp vastly out numbered the good ones, so I know what you mean.

 

[lifted]

Uridium, your avatar cracks me up..lol.

 

[Jeff]

SWALE over at the meso rx boards has his own little forum devoted to HRT. He even monitors the health of those on cycle and writes prescriptions for arimidex/nolva/HCG etc.

Swale is a good guy, and is very very knowledgable. Unfortunately he no longer takes on remote clients, you have to live in his area

 

[Parteeman]

Actually, Swale will take you as a new patient if you fly into Lansing, Michigan to see him. I'm scheduled to do so next week. A little more expensive, but worth it to get the best.

 

[Jeff]

How ofter do you have to go and see him, or is it just a one time thing?

 

[Blown]

I read somewhere that there are "goal-oriented" doctors that will prescribe you steroids, t3, etc, to help you reach your fitness goals. Anyone have any more info on this? Pretty much cycling hardcore under a docs supervision would be cool with me.

 

[dg806]

I read somewhere that there are "goal-oriented" doctors that will prescribe you steroids, t3, etc, to help you reach your fitness goals. Anyone have any more info on this? Pretty much cycling hardcore under a docs supervision would be cool with me.

Good luck in finding one of these. What doctor would want to jeapordize his career over this?

 

[Parteeman]

How ofter do you have to go and see him, or is it just a one time thing?

Don't know for sure, but my guess is that it is a one-time thing, unless he needs to do follow up tests.

 

[lifted]

most HRT docs will have you go in, take tests, start you out on something smal lke androgel, HCg, etc.. After exhausting all options w/o any luck (this rarely happens) then he'll start you on cyp injections. Some make you go back every 2 weeks, some give you the bottle and have you do it yourself. I know if I was a doc, I'd just make ya come back since that's more money in my pocket for another office visit. (esp if insurance is paying for it.

After you're on cyp, you'll still have to go back every so often to get bloodowrk done to monitor your useage and results....too much crap.

 

[UnicronSpawn]

Should have read the board rules, you can't source post.

 

[Zero Tolerance]

Sigh... Why do I always get here after the source has been removed.