Ostarine Surpression - Need Help ASAP

[zlyzz]

Hey guys,

yea i guess i kinda ****ed it up too now. Im into the 6th week of Ostar1ne (only compound), been running 10mg's for 1 week and 20mg's for 5 weeks. Libido was through the roof the whole time, even a couple of days ago.
Now it smashed me right in the face: my libido just died from one day to another. My sex drive was totally down compared to how it usually is, i mean i can get my dick hard, but it's just live my drive is completely gone. It's my third Osta run at this dose, i haven't had real "severe" problems like this, was just maybe some libido swings but nothing dramatic.
I'm assisting my run with Sup3r PCT, at 6 capsules a day (3x2capsules) and was planning to run another pct product after the 8 weeks of cycle.
1)Should i get a SERM? Would nolva do the thing? How do i dose this stuff? (Never took real steroids before)
2)Any chance i can save my libido for the next 2 weeks before PCT? Adding another Test compound would prob get me more problems afterwards?

Short stats:
Height: 1,90m Weight: 93kg's BF: 12-13% , been training for 5 years, clean dieting 100% and Strength stats pretty obviously above the average

 

[justhere4comm]

Pretty heavy first post. Good luck with that libido.

 

[zlyzz]

lol i know, i've just been reading all the stuff and never posted anything myself. I'd still appreciate some help guys... thx in advance

 

[hazard12]

Have you considered your cortisol levels? Libido drop from one day to the next seems pretty odd. Usually test suppression works at a pace as far as Im aware. Cortisol on the other hand, can JACK UP in a day, supress your libido and make you freak out enough to race to the nearest forum asking for help. Not calling you out or anything, I just think it fits relatively well. Id give INVICTUS or 7-keto a shot. If that doesnt work then you should probably get a SERM asap to start it with your PCT.

Now if you wanna do the responsible thing, id get bloodwork done. Thatll tell you if its estrogen/test related and if its neither of the above, its probably cortisol.

 

[zlyzz]

ill go to the doc anyways and check my blood... yea it got me freaked out hard tho. Im from europe, cant get my hands on that "hcgenerat" all u guys have been talking about, but i think i can get some INVICTUS.
And im pretty sure ill get a SERM for pct just to be sure.

 

[hazard12]

ill go to the doc anyways and check my blood... yea it got me freaked out hard tho. Im from europe, cant get my hands on that "hcgenerat" all u guys have been talking about, but i think i can get some INVICTUS.
And im pretty sure ill get a SERM for pct just to be sure.

Good idea. Cover all your bases. Its better to overkill and end up with unused invictus or serm (I still think you should use a serm anyways) than to cheapen out and pay for it later. Idk how your insurance works but here in america getting bloods through your insurance while on cycle is a bad idea. Theyll get the results as well and thyell affect your premium and benefits. If you can find a private lab like we do thatd be great. Otherwise just do what u gotta do, HEALTH 1RST!

 

[sespress]

Good idea. Cover all your bases. Its better to overkill and end up with unused invictus or serm (I still think you should use a serm anyways) than to cheapen out and pay for it later. Idk how your insurance works but here in america getting bloods through your insurance while on cycle is a bad idea. Theyll get the results as well and thyell affect your premium and benefits. If you can find a private lab like we do thatd be great. Otherwise just do what u gotta do, HEALTH 1RST!

Yeah you can check if private md labs works in Europe. I dunno but it's worth a look.

 

[zlyzz]

hmmm fk ur right about the insurance thing, didnt even think about that point. ill see what i can do.
what about running nolva whilst on the rest of osta cycle? or is it exclusively for POST-cycle

 

[hazard12]

hmmm fk ur right about the insurance thing, didnt even think about that point. ill see what i can do.
what about running nolva whilst on the rest of osta cycle? or is it exclusively for POST-cycle

Well, there are a couple of answers to that. Most people will tell you to take the nolva after you are done with ostarine. This is the standard, and to be honest, something so regurgitated I dont take it seriously unless you are given a good reason. I have talked to some VERY knowledgeable people who didnt laugh at the idea of using a SERM during the last 2 weeks of your cycle to make your PCT smoother, in fact one of them said he had done it before and his bloods looked better than with other protocols and the one of them said to run it through out your cycle (That guy has a post in the PCT section I believe). Now this is mostly anecdotal since theres very few articles on using a SERM during a cycle, especially a SARM cycle.

I think youll be ok whether you decide to start it now or after the ostarine. You can choose to wait till the end or start 2 weeks early. I actually would be very interested in seeing a mid ostarine cycle blood panel and then one 2 weeks after starting nolva during the ostarine cycle.

At the end of the day, you can do what you feel is best/works best for you. If you dont have much experience yet, record this instance, itll give you some info on how you respond to certain compounds and the feeling while that is happening.

 

[zlyzz]

Guys, what about bridging my osta run with 4inj of Test E 250 e5d? And then PCT with nolva... would that fix my libido problem?
Fkn hate that i dint take the real stuff right away. But i gotta make the best out of it...
Thx for the Help tho

 

[hazard12]

Honestly, if you wanna go with that route id start the test right away, itll build up by the time the osta runs out. It definitely will recover your libido faster than if you did PCT if thats what you are looking for. It would, eventually, require a slightly longer PCT, probably 6 weeks of serms and AIs and then youd suffer another libido loss, although that time you should be fine knowing itll come back relatively quick. Depending on what you care about most you can take either route, test if libido is the priority, PCT if returning to your normal groove is the priority. BTW if you go with test id just pin 500 the first day so you climb up to libido land quicker. You shouldnt have an issue with sides at that dose. Then move on to 250 e5d.

Did you schedule the bloods? I think you might be able to make a better call after seeing the results.

 

[pswain1]

Your best bet would be to get bloodwork, without it your just taking things hoping it works.

I have taken ostarine twice and started again last week and get suppressed every time. I now inject hcg midcycle and at the end before pct with all prohormones or sarms, I feel better and midcycle I don't have any libido crash.

 

[zlyzz]

Shouldnt have touched that **** anways... i've gained like maybe 1kg of lean mass at best, and now i've got the ****ty sides. It prob wasnt even legit osta, who knows what they put in these capsules...
I'll schedule the bloods tomorow ASAP. I've noticed my balls shrinked up a bit, it's pissing me off hard... ill prob end this osta cycle and PCT properly, and then maybe think about a real cycle

 

[zlyzz]

Your best bet would be to get bloodwork, without it your just taking things hoping it works.

I have taken ostarine twice and started again last week and get suppressed every time. I now inject hcg midcycle and at the end before pct with all prohormones or sarms, I feel better and midcycle I don't have any libido crash.

Do u think putting in hcg will lower that libido crash? IDK if i can get it quick tho.

 

[Nac]

I agree with something hazard12 said. Youre likely gonna get a little lethargic and a libido drop going into PCT anyway...youre 6 wks in on a SARM cycle, trying to address lethargy at this latish stage is delaying the innevitable.

Id cut my losses and PCT now, recuperate for a few months, get some bloods, then pin some test.

 

[pswain1]

Do u think putting in hcg will lower that libido crash? IDK if i can get it quick tho.

I agree with Nac, cut your losses and start pct. next time do more research and don't start anything until you have everything, because you never know how your body will react.

 

[Bunshichi]

Thats right. Wisest thing to PCT now, or better to get a SERM as fast as possible and start a proper PCT when it arrives.

A SERM on a low dose exogenous androgens will work at least to some point but recovery will still be faster just cutting the cycle short.

 

[user567]

Get a blood test. Your just guessing at this point. I have had low libido with a test over 1000 before. Many other factors in play here.

 

[S.Dedication]

If he is already shutdown, why not just keep going until you get the SERM. I thought shutdown was inevitable, not sure why the freak out. Could try something like KingsBlood now and into PCT. sorry just seems like you would want the SERM before going into pct. over the counter stuff is not going to do much. Definitely agree, always have a SERM on hand.

 

[justhere4comm]

If he is already shutdown, why not just keep going until you get the SERM. I thought shutdown was inevitable, not sure why the freak out. Could try something like KingsBlood now and into PCT. sorry just seems like you would want the SERM before going into pct. over the counter stuff is not going to do much. Definitely agree, always have a SERM on hand.

I like the way you think. When running through hell, keep running. However, the PCT with SERM should have been already a forgone conclusion.

 

[Bunshichi]

If he is already shutdown, why not just keep going until you get the SERM. I thought shutdown was inevitable, not sure why the freak out. Could try something like KingsBlood now and into PCT. sorry just seems like you would want the SERM before going into pct. over the counter stuff is not going to do much. Definitely agree, always have a SERM on hand.

I would usually advise the same, but since he seems overly afraid of a short time with low libido starting a proper PCT as soon as possible is the way to sort out things as quick as possible without just postponing that timeframe like with Test-injections now.

 

[Nac]

If he is already shutdown, why not just keep going until you get the SERM.

I thought that was obvious, like it went without saying.

 

[S.Dedication]

I would usually advise the same, but since he seems overly afraid of a short time with low libido starting a proper PCT as soon as possible is the way to sort out things as quick as possible without just postponing that timeframe like with Test-injections now.

Yeah I guess if he is that worried. I don't care about short term low libido, if the gainz are good

 

[Bunshichi]

Yeah I guess if he is that worried. I don't care about short term low libido, if the gainz are good

I even like that. First weeks of cycle, crazy high libido, 3 weeks into PCT libido like hell again.
I enjoy the last weeks of a cycle without libido. Would even be better if I had a little, but I rather have no at all sometimes than always as high as usual.
Then again usually last weeks of a cycle are really crazy lethargic with me wich I don't like at all.

 

[bosskardo]

I even like that. First weeks of cycle, crazy high libido, 3 weeks into PCT libido like hell again.
I enjoy the last weeks of a cycle without libido. Would even be better if I had a little, but I rather have no at all sometimes than always as high as usual.
Then again usually last weeks of a cycle are really crazy lethargic with me wich I don't like at all.

You mean that you can concentrate on just training?

I imagine it would benefit if libido was a bit lower (no distractions) but really low libido would mess with motivation, self-esteem etc

 

[S.Dedication]

Not sure about low libido, but estrogen rebound can definitely cause some hormonal issues. The lethargy damn.... that is what sucks ass. Not wanting to work out, work or wake up. Makes it super hard to be motivated. Lethargy usually makes me hungry too, so I'll end up on the couch snacking all day and skipping the gym, if I don't keep it in check.

 

[zlyzz]

Hey guys, just to keep u up-to-date. Having read some other posts about Osta and these kinds of problems, i decided to finish my cycle, but i upped the dose to 30mg's (instead of 20), which had a positive effect on some, and yea if i gotta go through hell these last 1-2 weeks, it's my own fault, it was my decision.
Being the 2nd day on 30mg's, i gotta admit my lethargy isn't as bad, i think my sex drive is also improving. It's obv still not like in Week 2-4, where i was feeling like a fkn pornstar. Luckily, the doc is a good friend of mine, Nolva won't be a problem, and as soon as ill get off, ill get bloods done.
Meanwhile, i've bumped my Sup3r PCT-supp to absolute maximum and bought some maca, tribulus in addition (placebo ftw). In either case, at least i've got a bit of sex-drive left. Last weekend was fkn ridiculous having a crazy looking girl and not wanting to fk her i felt like wtf...
And in contrast i've been getting ridiculous gainz (strength and muscle mass) and that real hard and grainy look like on roids (never took them tho, it's just what i'd assume: feeling like having a pump all day and looking hard)

Either way guys, thx for the help. Considering Nolva: what would recommend dosing for PCT? along with Sup3r PCT + tribu + Maca + DAA

 

[justhere4comm]

Hey guys, just to keep u up-to-date. Having read some other posts about Osta and these kinds of problems, i decided to finish my cycle, but i upped the dose to 30mg's (instead of 20), which had a positive effect on some, and yea if i gotta go through hell these last 1-2 weeks, it's my own fault, it was my decision.
Being the 2nd day on 30mg's, i gotta admit my lethargy isn't as bad, i think my sex drive is also improving. It's obv still not like in Week 2-4, where i was feeling like a fkn pornstar. Luckily, the doc is a good friend of mine, Nolva won't be a problem, and as soon as ill get off, ill get bloods done.
Meanwhile, i've bumped my Sup3r PCT-supp to absolute maximum and bought some maca, tribulus in addition (placebo ftw). In either case, at least i've got a bit of sex-drive left. Last weekend was fkn ridiculous having a crazy looking girl and not wanting to fk her i felt like wtf...
And in contrast i've been getting ridiculous gainz (strength and muscle mass) and that real hard and grainy look like on roids (never took them tho, it's just what i'd assume: feeling like having a pump all day and looking hard)

Either way guys, thx for the help. Considering Nolva: what would recommend dosing for PCT? along with Sup3r PCT + tribu + Maca + DAA

DAA is useless.
D-aspartic acid supplementation combined with 28 days of heavy resistance training has no effect on body composition, muscle strength, and serum hormones associated with the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis in resistance-trained men.

Cortisol Control
I like Invictus from Iron Legion

SERM
Nolva or Clomid

Eat good; sleep better; train hard as ever.

 

[zlyzz]

lol fk, now u took out my placebo effect for DAA. fk it, didnt cost much. How to dose Nolva for Ostarine-only PCT?
I train like an animal and eat like one as well, no worries and sleep 9Hrs

 

[justhere4comm]

lol fk, now u took out my placebo effect for DAA. fk it, didnt cost much. How to dose Nolva for Ostarine-only PCT?
I train like an animal and eat like one as well, no worries and sleep 9Hrs

Wait... I mean. For me, it didn't work at all. Everyone is different. (Hangs head in shame)
20/20/10/10

 

[zlyzz]

Wait... I mean. For me, it didn't work at all. Everyone is different. (Hangs head in shame)
20/20/10/10

thx bro, hopefully libido comes back fast. Got stuff to do...

 

[hazard12]

thx bro, hopefully libido comes back fast. Got stuff to do...

Next time you wanna do a mild cycle like this (although I gather you are now turned to the dark side) run epiandro alongside. It will barely affect your supression and it gives you a nice alpha mentality + libido. Nothing crazy but I think in your case it would have made EVERY difference.

 

[zlyzz]

Next time you wanna do a mild cycle like this (although I gather you are now turned to the dark side) run epiandro alongside. It will barely affect your supression and it gives you a nice alpha mentality + libido. Nothing crazy but I think in your case it would have made EVERY difference.

yes exactly what i was planning... but prob theres more risk to androgenic side effects right?

 

[hazard12]

yes exactly what i was planning... but prob theres more risk to androgenic side effects right?

Androgenic side effects are so blown out of proportion...OH NO A LITTLE MORE HAIR IN MY CHEST.....OH NO MY VOICE IS A BIT DEEPER...OH NO IM AGRESSIVE AT THE GYM...Ive never seen anyone go bald from a single cycle or develop prostate cancer over a single cycle (mind you, long term use without care will make these happen). I think these sides are more the result of STUPID high doses.

 

[sespress]

Androgenic side effects are so blown out of proportion...OH NO A LITTLE MORE HAIR IN MY CHEST.....OH NO MY VOICE IS A BIT DEEPER...OH NO IM AGRESSIVE AT THE GYM...Ive never seen anyone go bald from a single cycle or develop prostate cancer over a single cycle (mind you, long term use without care will make these happen). I think these sides are more the result of STUPID high doses.

So running Epi andro at 4grams a day is a no no? =). I was trying to complete the carpet of hair from chest, around to tht back. Going for the "full coverage". Hehe.

I also haven't heard of much hair loss but you do hear about it. Honestly from what I read if that happens or if it have prostate issues you just discontinue the dht supps and your fine.

I think your right hazard12 it's heavy doses over many weeks. I keep hitting posts when I research epistane for instance from like 2012 and someone is warning people off, you read down more and little by little you see the real story come out, like they've been running it for nearly 12 weeks at 40mg, they just got off another cycle not long before. Total atrophy, and such. If they were just upfront it'd be easier to find this information out without reading through so many boards and posts of what seems like bullsh1t and turns out to be just that. And OP you came to the right place for advice for certain!

SARMS caught my interest at one point too and I ended up not going that route. Lots of talk of suppression right off the bat, atrophy, lethargy, and the like and the results didn't seem to stack up to other stuff with what seemed like similar sides. I thought "hey a nice alternative to straight gear or PH'S" but they've all got pros and cons.

 

[sespress]

I had a moment a few weeks back, overestimated stuff potency wise OP, ran into sudden sides I didn't like. Buuuuut that's why we have this awesome board of dudes who actually have reasonable advice. So guys like me can dose Trest through the roof like a moron based on bad information I've put together and be told almost immediately that I screwed up and what to do about it.

Now androgen sides could potentially be bad but let's pretend for a moment they were really bad all the time for everyone.....could you imagine growing hair in like the middle of your forehead?!? A whole unibrow overnight. Supps come with a comb to handle the extra hair. You just seem "furry" even when wearing button up shirts. You have to pull tuff's of it out of your ears like a 80yo dude. Now if those was a common androgen effect no one would go near them. Oh what about bridge of the nose or like between your toes lol. "Wait I'm the only one getting my toe hair trimmed at the salon today?"

Ok enough fun.