Pro hormone fatloss?

[GSP]

I need to lose fatty midsection but want to make strength gaines. Wats the best prohormone that will help reach these goals? Is olympus Uk stuff good like ostarine or cardine? Any suggestion appreciated

 

[Smont]

The two options you listed are not even prohormones

 

[hulkamaniac54]

Yea like he said those r sarms. Are u lookin for ph from oL products? Or what?

 

[GSP]

I was under the impression that they had similar affects as a pro hormone? Well then what would u recommend for a prohormone for fat loss?

 

[Bunshichi]

Well most powerful choice for the combination of effects would be Trenavar if you can get your hands on it.
But thats no stuff for a first cycle.

Please write your stats so we can help you better.

As cycle experiene age height weight strength and lifting experience

 

[GSP]

Ok. I have done two cycles before. I did a cycle of m1t about 8 years ago. Then three years ago I did dmz by olympus labs. I am 27 years old. I weigh 300 lbs. 6'2. Been lifting since 15. Played some college ball, and have a good deal of experience lifting. Workout 4 days a week

 

[BEAST73]

Epiandrosterone.

 

[Bunshichi]

Well with M1T under your belt a Trenavar cycle is certainly not a big problem.

I would suggest you try to get enough Trenavar to run it at at least 90mg for 6 weeks.
Further I suggest you either stack it with a high dose of Epiandro, or with Epistane, Halodrol or Methyldiazirinol and something like 4ad, 4dhea, or sup3r dhea.

If you want to take a milder route go with high dose epiandro and 11ketotestosterone.

 

[GSP]

How is the leaning out aspect with these products? Is there a brand u guys favor?Typical pct assist and nolva work well for pct?

 

[GSP]

What brands do u guys favor

 

[Woody]

Nolva or Clomid and whatever else you want to add. Kingsblood is a good addition, too.

 

[csline]

Epiandro and 1-andro at 600-1000mg and 300-500mg respectively, daily for 6-8 weeks and eat in caloric deficit of 250-500. You won't lose muscle, you'll likely gain some muscle, and drop a lot of fat

 

[Woody]

Epiandro and 1-andro at 600-1000mg and 300-500mg daily for 6-8 weeks and eat in caloric deficit of 250-500. You won't lose muscle, you'll likely gain some muscle, and drop a lot of fat

Would add 11-KT at 250mg, too. Or Tren at 90-120mg. Epistane can be used over 1-Andro, too.

 

[B5150]

Ok. I have done two cycles before. I did a cycle of m1t about 8 years ago. Then three years ago I did dmz by olympus labs. I am 27 years old. I weigh 300 lbs. 6'2. Been lifting since 15. Played some college ball, and have a good deal of experience lifting. Workout 4 days a week

How much fat are we looking to lose at 6'2"/300lbs?!

 

[GSP]

I don't really have a goal on cycle. Just as much as I can through better diet

 

[GSP]

I'd like to get back to 270 at some point though

 

[B5150]

I don't really have a goal on cycle. Just as much as I can through better diet

Let me better and slightly less politely ask - how fat/overweight are you? It matters.

 

[GSP]

I probably need to get down to the 250-240 range

 

[Woody]

Let me better and slightly less politely ask - how fat/overweight are you? It matters.

Oh, damn. Good catch.

OP can you estimate your BF for us.

 

[B5150]

If you have that much muscle at 6'2" you could very easily lose that weight without hormones. Eat right, keep lifting and get on the treadmill.

Personally Id spend the money on good nutrition and non hormonal products. These guys can school you on good supps and pre workouts to get an edge.

JMHO

 

[GSP]

Idk about bf percent but id wager im above 30 percent

 

[BEAST73]

Idk about bf percent but id wager im above 30 percent

You above 30% Body Fat??

 

[GSP]

Maybe that was too high, I'm not good at guessing bf percent. But I am overweight

 

[vujade]

Idk about bf percent but id wager im above 30 percent

At 30% body fat I could have you on a diet that you easily shed 10 pounds per month
without hormones or supplements. I personally wouldn't add either until you bottom
out and plateau.

At 30% body fat you also risk lots of side from ph's and steroids liike high blood pressure
and estrogen conversion.

Look into a proper Ketogenic Diet, and once you get it dialed in, you will lose 10 to 15
pounds the 1st month. I lost 20lbs on keto in a month. Not every month mind you, but
the 1st month, then about 8-10 pounds after that.

 

[mike33511]

Maybe that was too high, I'm not good at guessing bf percent. But I am overweight

You are probably at least 30%. That would mean you have 210 lbs of lean mass, which is quite a bit. You would be 6'2" and 235 at 12% body fat, which is pretty impressive for someone who has only run 2 cycles in 8 years.

 

[GSP]

Vujade could u pm me to talk that diet then? Appreciate the input and help from everyone

 

[B5150]

At 30% body fat I could have you on a diet that you easily shed 10 pounds per month
without hormones or supplements. I personally wouldn't add either until you bottom
out and plateau.

At 30% body fat you also risk lots of side from ph's and steroids liike high blood pressure
and estrogen conversion.

Look into a proper Ketogenic Diet, and once you get it dialed in, you will lose 10 to 15
pounds the 1st month. I lost 20lbs on keto in a month. Not every month mind you, but
the 1st month, then about 8-10 pounds after that.

FWIW this guy posted exactly what I would have had I not been on my cell phone. And in all honestly he's probably more liberal with his time and more likely to be able to help you. You're in good hands here brother !

 

[Bunshichi]

How is the leaning out aspect with these products? Is there a brand u guys favor?Typical pct assist and nolva work well for pct?

Just to answer it for the future, the leaning out is especially good with Tren and 11Keto, but also epiandro shines in helping with a cut.

I usually favor Olympus Labs but the older products that were discontinued are hard to come by, especially at reasonable prices.

With a Methyl and or Tren cycle support should contain TUDCA.

Nolva or Chlomid are the PCT of choice.

HOWEVER, as the other guys said you are better off dieting natty first.

You might want to take 7-Keto-DHEA, which reduces Cortisol levels. Sup3r-7 from Olympus Labs again is a good product.

As you got a little leaner you might consider taking MK677, a growth hormone secretagogue. Also you might look into a few weeks (8-12 imo) of GW501516, a PPAR--agonist.

At 25% bodyfat, but better somewhere between 20-25% Epiandro and 11-Keto should absolutely be worthwhile, below 20% the other cycles are to be considered again.

If you have a hard time managing apetite a stim based fat-burner may help you, but as AAS they are only to be used for certain amounts of time before you need to take a break.

 

[bosskardo]

Like some already said, PHs or SARMs are a waste here. I'd say the 7keto recommendation might be Ok but maybe better to look into Evomuse Supernova (hope I'm not mixing things up). Supposed to be real good for fatness, even at high fat%.

 

[LeanEngineer]

At 30% body fat I could have you on a diet that you easily shed 10 pounds per month
without hormones or supplements. I personally wouldn't add either until you bottom
out and plateau.

At 30% body fat you also risk lots of side from ph's and steroids liike high blood pressure
and estrogen conversion.

Look into a proper Ketogenic Diet, and once you get it dialed in, you will lose 10 to 15
pounds the 1st month. I lost 20lbs on keto in a month. Not every month mind you, but
the 1st month, then about 8-10 pounds after that.

Agreed with this. If you're around 30% bf you need to drop that through diet alone before you throw a PH in the mix. That is the best advice.

 

[csline]

Agreed with this. If you're around 30% bf you need to drop that through diet alone before you throw a PH in the mix. That is the best advice.

Agreed.