SD first cycle check

[scottson1]

Starting my first cycle of sd soon just wanted to check everything's in order before I start

Sd 4weeks - 10/20/20/20
Epiandro - 600/600/600/600 ( seen people run varying dosages from 300-1000mg, would 600 be enough to combat lethargy etc?)
Evolved supps essential cycle
Tudca - 500mg

PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
DAA
Support supps

Am I missing anything out?

 

[Jebrook]

Starting my first cycle of sd soon just wanted to check everything's in order before I start

Sd 4weeks - 10/20/20/20
Epiandro - 600/600/600/600 ( seen people run varying dosages from 300-1000mg, would 600 be enough to combat lethargy etc?)
Evolved supps essential cycle
Tudca - 500mg

PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
DAA
Support supps

Am I missing anything out?

There's a very good chance that no dose of Epiandro would stop you from feeling like trash on an SD cycle. Even testosterone doesn't usually mitigate things fully. Hopefully you're a lucky one that tolerates it well.

 

[Jebrook]

Starting my first cycle of sd soon just wanted to check everything's in order before I start

Sd 4weeks - 10/20/20/20
Epiandro - 600/600/600/600 ( seen people run varying dosages from 300-1000mg, would 600 be enough to combat lethargy etc?)
Evolved supps essential cycle
Tudca - 500mg

PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
DAA
Support supps

Am I missing anything out?

And yes, Epiandro dose is fine. Many people like 1000 mg but I'd start at 5-600. Layout looks gtg.

 

[mike33511]

I might dose the TUDCA a bit higher if you can afford to. Superdrol is extremely harsh.

 

[nosnmiveins]

cycle support supps are a complete waste of money.....oops, spilled the secret...

 

[scottson1]

cycle support supps are a complete waste of money.....oops, spilled the secret...

Can you elaborate? If that was the case how do people combat high bp while on etc? Iv seen a few people say they are useless even nac and tudca only work after the cycle

 

[nosnmiveins]

Can you elaborate? If that was the case how do people combat high bp while on etc? Iv seen a few people say they are useless even nac and tudca only work after the cycle

Thats the thing. You will notice bp changes and all that jazz ON CYCLE, but a 4-6 weeks cycle is just that....4-6 weeks. Your body is very effecient at normalizing itself on its own once youre off.

These supps get push by companies to make more money, its that simple

 

[mike33511]

The only ones I would use are NAC and TUDCA, and TUDCA only on cycles with especially harsh orals. Perhaps they are a waste, but with my liver, I guess I feel like erring on the side of caution, even if I "waste" $40.

As far as high BP is concerned, the only things I've found effective for me personally are other drugs, namely ACE inhibitors and Cialis.

 

[scottson1]

I see, the main thing that was concerning me was lipids after the cycle but they should just return to normal afterwards?

 

[nosnmiveins]

I see, the main thing that was concerning me was lipids after the cycle but they should just return to normal afterwards?

yes. i ahve used plenty of orals over the past 10 years. never once ran support supps. i had bloodwork done about 3 months ago while on 75mg anavar and my liver values and lipids were noticeably high. stopped the var about 2 months ago and just got bloods back the other day and everything is back to normal.

results tend to be very individual though. just because mine returned fine every time doesnt mean everybodies will

 

[AnabolicGuru]

When it comes to on cycle support, I'd rather be safe than sorry; from my experience, my two oral methylated cycles have shown slight elevation in my liver enzymes while taking cycle support, so my guess is that they are keeping things from going too out of control. Until people get bloodwork both with and without cycle supports, they shouldn't really be advising against the use of cycle supports imo

 

[warbird01]

There's a very good chance that no dose of Epiandro would stop you from feeling like trash on an SD cycle. Even testosterone doesn't usually mitigate things fully. Hopefully you're a lucky one that tolerates it well.

Yup. Even when I run real test with SD the lethargy is killer. Like I actually feel like I wanna die.

...I hate SD.

Good PCT though OP, although I would probably switch out DAA for another test booster (AlphaMax XT or M Test) and add Reduce XT in for cortisol control.

 

[AntM1564]

I would drop the DAA. Perhaps it can be useful for people with low-T for whatever reason, but newer research seems to show that it's not going to do much of anything for lifters with normal testosterone levels:

Twenty-four males, with a minimum of two years' experience in resistance training, (age, 24.5 ± 3.2 y; training experience, 3.4 ± 1.4 y; height, 178.5 ± 6.5 cm; weight, 84.7 ± 7.2 kg; bench press 1-RM, 105.3 ± 15.2 kg) were randomised into one of three groups: 6 g.d(-1) plain flour (D0); 3 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D3); and 6 g.d(-1) of d-aspartic acid (D6). Participants performed a two-week washout period, training four days per week. This continued through the experimental period (14 days), with participants consuming the supplement in the morning. Serum was analysed for levels of testosterone, estradiol, sex hormone binding globulin, albumin and free testosterone was determined by calculation.

D-aspartic acid supplementation revealed no main effect for group in: estradiol; sex-hormone-binding-globulin; and albumin. Total testosterone was significantly reduced in D6 (P = 0.03). Analysis of free testosterone showed that D6 was significantly reduced as compared to D0 (P = 0.005), but not significantly different to D3. Analysis did not reveal any significant differences between D3 and D0. No significant correlation between initial total testosterone levels and responsiveness to d-aspartic acid was observed (r = 0.10, P = 0.70).

The present study demonstrated that a daily dose of six grams of d-aspartic acid decreased levels of total testosterone and free testosterone (D6), without any concurrent change in other hormones measured. Three grams of d-aspartic acid had no significant effect on either testosterone markers. It is currently unknown what effect this reduction in testosterone will have on strength and hypertrophy gains.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25844073

Resistance-trained men resistance trained 4 times/wk for 28 days while orally ingesting either 3 g of placebo or 3 g of D-ASP. Data were analyzed with 2 × 2 analysis of variance (P < .05).

The gonadal hormones were unaffected by 28 days of D-ASP supplementation and not associated with the observed increases in muscle strength and mass. Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24074738

Like Warbird mentioned, I would opt for either AlphaMax XT or Reduce XT to run alongside your SERM. Both will help control cortisol, which is key during PCT. AlphaMax XT will also help boost libido and increase free testosterone in addition to controlling cortisol. It is a complete all in one solution to run with a SERM.