5/3/1 Training with LGD + Dermatrest cycle

[Jm88888]

I am kicking off on Wednesday. Training plan is, a version of 5/3/1 with a high volume bodybuilding assistance template. I'll be posting the lifts for each training day. Layout:
Week 1: Ramping to 85% TM for 5 sets of 5
Week 2: Ramping to 90% TM for 5 sets of 3
Week 3: Ramping to 95% TM for 1 set of 1 followed by adding 5% and doing another rep, until I max out.
Wednesday= Chest
Thursday=Squats and lower
Saturday=Military press and shoulders
Sunday= Deadlift and back

I am going to repeat this cycle for 3 times adding 5 lbs to TM for upper and 10 lbs to TM for lower. No deloads during this period.

Diet (UPDATED)
Around 220 G protein, 400 G carbs, 75 G fats
+20 G protein a week
+20 G carbs a week
+ 5 g Fat a week

Chems
Week 1 through 4
50 mg Dermatrest ED
10 mg LGD ED
Exemestane is on hand for as needed use

Week 5 through 8
50 mg Dermatrest
15 mg LGD
Exemestane on hand

Week 9 through 10
50 mg Clomid
Exemestane on hand if needed
Arimistane on hand if needed, anti cortisol
Laxogenin 25 mg 6 times per day

Week 11 through 12
25 mg clomid
Exemestane and Arimistane on hand
Laxogenin 25 mg 6 times per day

Week 13 through 18
Laxogenin 25 mg 4 times per day

Supplements
Creatine
Beta alanine
Fish oil
Cla
Multi vitamin
Zinc
Vitamin d oil

Water
2 gallons per day

 

[mike33511]

Cycle looks good, man. 5/3/1 is an excellent program.

 

[Jm88888]

Thanks man. I think you helped me out a bit with developing it, on the Chem side.

 

[Nac]

Which template is this, BBB?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

400 g of protein is ridiculously high.. why so high?

 

[Jm88888]

Which template is this, BBB?

No it's something that I tweaked slightly. I'm using the advanced template for 5 and 3 weeks. Then using a joker set template for 1s week. The assistance is just the "bodybuilding" assistance template. 4 assistance exercise 4 sets each 12-15 rep each set.

 

[Jm88888]

400 g of protein is ridiculously high.. why so high?

Under normal circumstances I would I eat 200. On chems to enhance protein synthesis I am doubling it. I will keep it this through pct and gradually reduce cals and protein back to maintain levels by end of laxogenin.

 

[Jm88888]

Not dead set on it... In fact I would love to not have to eat that much protein... How much does everyone else up there protein while on?

 

[Jm88888]

http://www.predatornutrition.com/articlesdetail?cid=prohormones-optimising-prohormone-cycles

 

[Nac]

Well technically if youre getting plenty of carbs, which you are, you dont need a crap ton of pro. Maybe drop pro a little and increase healthy fats (olive oil, avacado, etc).

Based on what Aragon/Schoenfeld etc recc, 1gm/lb should be plenty.

 

[Jm88888]

Hmm. Ok. Most I've read is to double your protein intake... You the 350?

 

[Nac]

Hmm. Ok. Most I've read is to double your protein intake... You the 350?

Look into the studies by Aragon etc. Theyre on natty guys so if you really wanna bump it more on PEDs go for it but 1-1.5gm pro per lb should be heaps if cho is sufficient too

 

[dvw]

Unless you're LBM is over 185 lbs 300 grams of protein is plenty

 

[Jm88888]

Ok. Thanks guys.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

yeah im sorry my dude there is just a huge waste of money there... and frankly you could have huge gainz while on cycle with as little as .8 g PER KILO ... srs.
anabolics are kinda like adding a turbo or super charger to your motor.. your going to get a power boost even if your still running on pump gas... its just that your motor is hungrier.. make sense?

 

[Jm88888]

Yeah. Just interesting cause of the reports I have read call for more while on.... Maybe they are trying to sell their powder?

 

[Jm88888]

Appreciate all the advice too. For real.

 

[Nac]

I think it possibly appeals to our intuition that if we eat more protein then more pro synthesis and moar gainz, especially on-cycle...when in reality that is not quite true.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Yeah. Just interesting cause of the reports I have read call for more while on.... Maybe they are trying to sell their powder?

if youre trying to gain serious weight you will want to eat extra carbs.. but like I said the total intake of calories will be most important, just like the turbo charger analogy

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I just saw a video on my feed the other day, by enhanced athelete.. maybe I will go watch it and see what they have to say. compare notes ...
if I find anything valuable I will post it up (not that I think they are a great source of info) for relevance.

 

[Jm88888]

Thanks brother

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

these guys seem to support the common notion that its the total intake overall that needs to be addressed.

[video=youtube;oDnttb_tiEU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDnttb_tiEU[/video]

 

[Jm88888]

So maybe I go with 220 to start and maybe 3200 cals. Every week add 200 cals and 20 grams of P...

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

now your cooking with gas! :burger:

 

[thorsdad31]

I am kicking off on Wednesday. Training plan is, a version of 5/3/1 with a high volume bodybuilding assistance template. I'll be posting the lifts for each training day. Layout:
Week 1: Ramping to 85% TM for 5 sets of 5
Week 2: Ramping to 90% TM for 5 sets of 3
Week 3: Ramping to 95% TM for 1 set of 1 followed by adding 5% and doing another rep, until I max out.
Wednesday= Chest
Thursday=Squats and lower
Saturday=Military press and shoulders
Sunday= Deadlift and back

I am going to repeat this cycle for 3 times adding 5 lbs to TM for upper and 10 lbs to TM for lower. No deloads during this period.

Diet (UPDATED)
Around 220 G protein, 400 G carbs, 75 G fats
+20 G protein a week
+20 G carbs a week
+ 5 g Fat a week

Chems
Week 1 through 4
50 mg Dermatrest ED
10 mg LGD ED
Exemestane is on hand for as needed use

Week 5 through 8
50 mg Dermatrest
15 mg LGD
Exemestane on hand

Week 9 through 10
50 mg Clomid
Exemestane on hand if needed
Arimistane on hand if needed, anti cortisol
Laxogenin 25 mg 6 times per day

Week 11 through 12
25 mg clomid
Exemestane and Arimistane on hand
Laxogenin 25 mg 6 times per day

Week 13 through 18
Laxogenin 25 mg 4 times per day

Supplements
Creatine
Beta alanine
Fish oil
Cla
Multi vitamin
Zinc
Vitamin d oil

Water
2 gallons per day

I'm in wanna see your results I'm running a lgd log for 12 weeks @10mgs seeing great results so far today was my last training day of week 5

 

[Jm88888]

I'm in wanna see your results I'm running a lgd log for 12 weeks @10mgs seeing great results so far today was my last training day of week 5

You using anything as a test base?

 

[Jm88888]

I'm actually itching to just start today... But I had adductor strain and it's getting much better, just want to give it the few more days... Last thing I want is to jump on this and then get re-injured.

 

[thorsdad31]

You using anything as a test base?

Dermacrine I just added chemical one by chaos and pain it's 1-ad for the last 7 weeks
Here's my log if u wanna check it out

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/289749-thorsdad31-takes-90-a.html

 

[dvw]

If anything I would eat 400 grams of carbs on cycle. LGD will act as nutrient repartitioner.

 

[Jm88888]

Dermacrine I just added chemical one by chaos and pain it's 1-ad for the last 7 weeks
Here's my log if u wanna check it out

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/289749-thorsdad31-takes-90-a.html

How is dermacrine performing?

 

[thorsdad31]

How is dermacrine performing?

Seems like it's working well I'm doing 6 pumps a day for the entire cycle

 

[Jm88888]

Seems like it's working well I'm doing 6 pumps a day for the entire cycle

Almost went that route. But wanted to go the trest route

 

[thorsdad31]

Almost went that route. But wanted to go the trest route

I wanted to go with trest but I had 3 bottles of dermacrine figured I'd save a little bit of $$ I'm thinking trest with msten/lgd for a winter bulk

 

[Jm88888]

Day 1
198 lbs
20.7% Body fat (calipers at iliac crest)

25 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
25 mg Dermatrest preworkout
5 mg LGD pre workout
Scoop BCAA + maltodextrine during training

Effects
-some jitters couple hours after application and ingestion, seemed to have worn off towards 12pm.

Diet
3305 calories
313 g Protein
316 g Carb
106 g Fat

Training
Bench Press
90x5
115x5
140x3
150x5
175x5
195x5 (for 5 sets with 3 minutes rest between sets)

2 minutes rest
Wide grip dips 4 sets of 10
Dumbell fly 30 lbs x 8, 20 lbs x 12, 15 lbs x 12 for 2 sets
Skull crush 25 lbs x 20, 35 lbs x 20 for 2 sets, 30 lbs x 20

1 minute rest
Push-ups 11 reps, 10 reps, 9 reps, 8 reps

 

[Jm88888]

Day 2
197.4 lbs

25 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
25 mg Dermatrest preworkout
5 mg LGD pre workout
Scoop BCAA + maltodextrine during training (6 grams BCAA)

Effects
-some trouble falling asleep. Normally I can't keep my eyes open after 10pm.
-vivid dream last night as well

Diet
3470 calories
335 g Protein
316 g Carbs
109 g Fat
1.75 gallons water

Training
Back squats
135x5
170x5
205x3
220x5
255x5
290x5
290x5
290x5
290x5
290x0
had to cut workout completely at this point, as adductor came back into play. I'd been recovering from an adductor strain heading into this. Everything was feeling pretty good heading in. After 4 set it was totally cramping and wasn't painful but wasn't risking the whole cycle on a 5 set and some front squats lunges and SLDLs. Icing it now, will start NSAIDS tonight throughout off day tomorrow.

 

[jasperhup]

I think your plan is solid, but i would push the assistance stuff hard, sets to failure, up the weight while keeping form tight.

That many reps at such light weight won't stimulate too much imo, and w the gear you wanna eek out all gains you can.

 

[Jm88888]

Trust me, by the end of these, believe it or not, I'm completely toasted. 7 work sets of 5 really is a lot of work in a session. With the assistance if im feeling it I feel like that's all I need to worry about. I really wasn't taking it easy on the assistance each set my only goal was to keep the intensity at a level where I can barely complete the set. The big lifts I'll be attempting push PRs on 3rd, 6th, and 9th week

 

[Jm88888]

I think your plan is solid, but i would push the assistance stuff hard, sets to failure, up the weight while keeping form tight.

That many reps at such light weight won't stimulate too much imo, and w the gear you wanna eek out all gains you can.

You think I'd be better cutting down reps to 3 sets of 8? I'm just following a Wendler template. I'm not married to it.

 

[Jm88888]

Day 3
199.2

25 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
25 mg Dermatrest 5 pm
5 mg LGD 5pm

Effects
-not as tired at night as usual

Diet
3285 calories
243 grams Protein
298 grams Carbs
137 grams Fat


Training
Off day

 

[dvw]

I would do a 5 x 5 bench press routine with 75% of 1rm. Do the same for squat. Do heavy bent over rows and heavy shoulder press's for 6 to 8 rep range.

 

[Jm88888]

I'm not gonna change the main part of the routine. I'm sticking with that as its a 531 variation which I like. Only thing I would consider messing with is assistance stuff. All though I will likely leave that alone too. I'm a big Jim Wendler fan.

 

[mike33511]

I'm not gonna change the main part of the routine. I'm sticking with that as its a 531 variation which I like. Only thing I would consider messing with is assistance stuff. All though I will likely leave that alone too. I'm a big Jim Wendler fan.

5/3/1 is a good program. Jim Wendler has squatted 1000 lbs. Any of the programs he has in any of his books would be great for building strength.

 

[Jm88888]

Day 4
199.2

25 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
25 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD pre workout
1 tsp creatine split pre and post
1/2 tsp beta alanine preworkout

Effects
-real tired last night as I usually am, so looks like that's not an issue.
-enhanced endurance noticed at end of set and at later sets in exercises

Diet
3547 calories
255 grams Protein
367 grams Carbs
126 grams Fat

Training
Overhead pressing
60x5
70x5
85x3
95x5
110x5
125x5 (3 min rest)
125x5 (3 min rest)
125x5 (3 min rest)
125x5 (5 min rest)
125x5

All assistance work 1 min rest

DB Press
20 lbs ea x 12
30 lbs ea x 12
35 lbs ea x 12
25 lbs ea x 12

DB Side lateral
15 lbs ea x 12
10 lbs ea x 12
10 lbs ea x 12
10 lbs ea x 12

EZ Bar Bicep Curls
50 lbs x 12
55 lbs x 12
60 lbs x 12
50 lbs x 12

Preacher EZ Curl
45 lbs x 12
45 lbs x 12
40 lbs x 12
35 lbs x 19 (didn't think I could get 40 for 12 again but was wrong, strange feeling to think you wouldn't get the reps and then almost get twice as many. Might be chems...)

 

[Jm88888]

5/3/1 is a good program. Jim Wendler has squatted 1000 lbs. Any of the programs he has in any of his books would be great for building strength.

Yep I love his stuff. Mentality on assistance work seems spot on too. I couldn't care less my weight on an assistance lift, as long as it serves the purpose and completely exhausts the muscle in a few different areas then the main lift.
I'm leaving this template compleat alone. We'll see how it ends up. I appreciate the conversation around it though.

 

[Jm88888]

Haven't had to dip into Exemestane yet. That expected? When should I start noticing the need to take it?

 

[Jm88888]

Day 5
199.8

25 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD pre workout
1 tsp creatine split pre and post
1/2 tsp beta alanine preworkout

Effects
-Libido still low at 25 mg doses. Upping to 50 mg doses
-felt some pressure in head during deadlifts and after. But realizing I have a bit of congestion in sinus.


Diet
3268 calories
273 grams Protein
281 grams Carbohydrates
125 grams Fat

Training
Deadlift + back + abs
Deadlift
145x5
180x5
215x3
235x5
270x5
305x5 (3 min rest)
305x5 (3 min rest)
305x5 (4 min rest)
305x5 (5 min rest)
305x5

Dumbell Row
1.5 min rest
55x12
60x12
65x12
50x12

Chin up (arms were shot by this point need move the chin in front of rows)
1.5 min rest

10
7
4

Good morning
105x12
105x12
95x12
100x12

Sit up
5 lbs x 12
10 lbs x 12
10 lbs x 12
10 lbs x 12

 

[Jm88888]

Issues cropping up with libido, already.... Could it be Dermatrest isn't being dosed high enough? Should I and could I go to 100 mg a day or more?

 

[mike33511]

You could, and it would ultimately increase your gains, but if you do, I would suggest starting the AI immediately. 12.5 mg E3D of Exemestane would be a good place to start.

 

[Jm88888]

Will double starting today pre workout. Thanks brother. 2 ml's.

 

[Jm88888]

And I have the Exemestane sitting here too, so I'm good there.